EU Voters vote hostility?

welsh

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We have heard these results. What's up? Why are the Europeans so pissed off with the vote? Does this have to do with employment?

What does this say about satisfaction with governments? How do you folks see this turning out?

Unhappy voters send a message

Jun 14th 2004
From The Economist Global Agenda

In the European Parliament’s elections, turnout was low, governing parties generally suffered and a clutch of anti-EU parties did notably well. This may make it harder to reach agreement on the proposed EU constitution

ANOTHER set of European Parliament elections, another depressing outcome. In the four days to Sunday June 13th, the 25 member countries of the newly enlarged European Union (EU) held elections for the 732-member legislative body, which helps to make laws binding on all of the Union’s 450m citizens. The parliament has steadily gained power over the course of the EU’s history but, sadly, its image has only suffered over time. It is perceived as being distant from voters, despite being the only EU institution with a direct democratic connection to them. Recent media exposés mean that the parliament is probably now best known for its members’ abuse of their perks.

It was therefore no surprise that just over 45% of the EU electorate turned out to vote; and that those who did so mainly used the chance to deliver an angry message to their national governments over domestic issues. The governing parties in Britain, France, Germany, and Poland were the most notable losers. British voters punished Tony Blair, mainly over Iraq, by giving his Labour Party just over 20% of the vote, down from 41% at the last general election in 2001. France’s Union for a Popular Movement, the Gaullist party of President Jacques Chirac, was similarly caned, getting just 17%, against 30% for the Socialist opposition. And Chancellor Gerhard Schröder’s Social Democratic Party in Germany finished with 22%, less than half the vote for the opposition Christian Democrats, who took 45%.

In the biggest of the new member states, Poland’s governing Democratic Left Alliance—which has been imploding for months over scandals, a weak economy and internal rifts—took a meagre 9%. The Czech Republic’s ruling Social Democrats also managed just 9%. And turnout in the new members was even lower than in the old member states—just 26%. Having turned out enthusiastically to vote in referendums on joining the EU last year, the central Europeans have not shown much interest in deciding who will be their representatives there. Not even a bevy of headline-grabbing candidates, including a Czech porn star and an Estonian supermodel, could lift turnout.

If ruling parties were the big losers, Eurosceptics plainly had a field day. Newish parties wholeheartedly opposed to EU membership did well in two of the Union’s biggest countries. In Britain, the UK Independence Party (UKIP) drew Eurosceptic voters from the main opposition Conservative Party to take 17% of the vote, entitling it to 12 seats in the parliament. In Poland, a traditionalist and ruralist party, Samoobrona (Selfdefence), came third, nabbing seven seats. (Two other right-wing parties, the crime-bashing Law and Justice and the Catholic-nationalist League of Polish Families, also did well.) Two parties in Austria and the Netherlands, though not strictly Eurosceptic, campaigned successfully against corruption and mismanagement in Brussels. In short, EU business-as-usual was a big loser at last week’s polls.

The parliament’s new members will mostly sit in vaguely like-minded groupings, like the centre-right European People’s Party (EPP), the Party of European Socialists (centre-left) and the European Liberal Democrats (socially, and sometimes economically, liberal). The EPP did well, thanks to strong centre-right showings in some of the new members, including Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia. But overall results for these groupings should be taken with a grain of salt, since they are far from homogeneous or coherent. For example, Britain’s Conservatives, broadly pro-market and mildly Eurosceptic, sit in the EPP with continental Christian Democrats and Gaullists who are both more federalist (ie, favouring strong EU centre) and more comfortable with intervening in the economy.

What will it all mean for the overall future of the EU? The anti-establishment vote for Eurosceptics, nationalists and anti-corruption campaigners, as well as the low turnout, should serve as a wake-up call for Europe’s leaders. Much post-poll commentary has said that now, finally, Europe’s leaders must make voters feel connected to the EU. But will they? Much the same has been said in the past, as turnout has continued to fall and scepticism about the whole enterprise has continued to grow. In 2003, for the first time, more than half of Europe’s citizens told pollsters that their country’s membership of the EU was not a good thing. Clearly EU leaders have not yet found a way to reverse what seems like an inexorable decline in affection for the European project.

The result of the election will also cast a shadow over the summit between EU leaders that will begin this Thursday in Brussels. The 25 national leaders are hoping to agree a final text for the proposed EU constitution. Among other things, this document is meant to simplify the EU’s workings and make its institutions more open. But finalising the draft will be far from easy. The intervention of lawyers and lobbyists has already contributed to its swelling to more than 200 pages, to include such clearly non-constitutional matters as the “right” to job counselling.

The backlash against the EU in the parliamentary elections may make it harder for the 25 leaders to reach an accord. The success of the UKIP in Britain, and the dismal showing by Mr Blair’s own party, just a year before an expected national election, may oblige him to harden his stance on Britain’s so-called “red lines”. These include taxation, defence and foreign policy. The more federalist members, including France and Germany, would like these to be subject to majority votes under the new constitution, while Mr Blair will insist on keeping the national veto over such sensitive areas.

Mr Blair will not be the only one fighting his country’s corner with a hint of desperation. The success of Eurosceptics in Poland could make that country’s government work harder to maintain its generous voting powers in the Council of Ministers, the body in which national governments’ ministers meet as a second legislative body (alongside the parliament) to approve all new laws. The draft constitution proposes to reduce the disproportionately high number of votes, compared with its population, that Poland won at the Nice summit in 2001. Poland’s ministers, with their backs against the electoral wall, will do whatever they can to stop this.

The Netherlands wants the constitution to give the European Commission—the EU’s executive—more scope to deal with euro-zone member countries whose budget deficits break the limits laid down in EU rules. France and Germany, two notable budget-busters, are against. The Dutch insist they will fight to the last. In all, with such a dismaying election behind them, Europe’s leaders will be in a gloomy mood as they gather in Brussels this week. And whatever forced grins they put on for the end-of-summit photos, they seem unlikely to end it any happier
 
I think lack of information is mostly to blame.

Let's take Belgium for example. The European elections here took place on the same day as the regional elections. So on television, on the radio, in the newspapers and on the internet: all you find was news about the regional elections. I swear to god, it was a miracle if you found two sentences about Europe in there...

So when the day came, the vast majority of the Belgians voted European the same way as they voted regional. Why? Because they simply know shit about the European programs the parties have. You can't really blame them, though, because a lot of those parties have programs that vague or general they just as well cound't have a program at all.

Let's take the program of the Flemish socialist party, for example: "We want a more socialist Europe!"
No shit, mr. socialist, that's exactly why your party is called a socialist party. It doesn't tell us jack about what exactly you are planning to do, though. Same with the greens, among others.
And hell, look at the VLAAMS BLOK, our very own neo-nazy party. They got three (or four? Don't remember) seats, out of the 14 seats Belgian seats. And what was their European program? "Europe is important to us!"
No shit, mr. racist asshole, that's probably exactly why you want to be elected. Or actually, the reason why you want to get elected is so you could recieve the huge wages a European MP gets, and not lift a finger all the time you're there.
Because that's what the VLAAMS BLOK does in Europe, you know: absolutely nothing. Except boo-ing a bit when someone mentions the word "immigrants", maybe.

So anyway; the point is most inhabitants of the EU vote European the same way as they do national, and they give parties seats in the European parliament based on their national politics.

And don't get me started on why people voted against their governments, btw. I'll go off in a rant about post-modernism, selfishness, shot-sightedness, petty day-to-day politics and political compromises and ideoligical betrayals like you wouldn't believe...
 
There's a thread about how people voted on the EU on TO, y'know

welsh said:
We have heard these results. What's up? Why are the Europeans so pissed off with the vote? Does this have to do with employment?

What does this say about satisfaction with governments? How do you folks see this turning out?

"Does this have to do with employement"...Heh.

There's an essential difference that a lot of people don't seem to grasp immediately between elections for a nation's own governing body and EU elections. A nation's own elections have their own ways of fluctuating, mostly depending on how happy the people are, determined much by matters such as unemployement, economy, health care, wars, etc.

Despite what a lot of people think, tho', people understand the difference between EU elections and national elections. A vote against the governing body in the EU Parliament is nót a vote against the governing body AS the governing body, it is simply a vote against the governing body's stance towards the EU. This article seems to grab this concept pretty firmly, which is why it keeps referring to Euroscepticism.

And therein lies the problem. Good old Euroscepticism.

You see we don't like the EU. Seriously. Welsh, we were once talking about post-war Europe and you mentioned that without the help of the US, Europe wouldn't have become the stable body able to grow something like the EU. I simply replied with "And we're supposed to be grateful for that?" (or something in that tone)

Now, the part of the people that knows something about the EU or thinks it knows something and are unhappy aren't voting for the parties which they agree with most, they're voting for the parties that make a rumbling sound towards the EU that they can agree with. Pro-EU parties are, overal, getting their asses kicked. Eurosceptics, especially the new party popping up shouting "we need reform" or "FUCK THE EU", are getting the most votes.

The other side of the coin is the extermist parties. When turnouts began to drop, the first ones to suffer are always the central parties. Why? Because a lot of their voters are barely interested people, who just mutter "I'm voting what my old da' used to vote". Extreme left and even moreso extreme right can get their voters riled up, whipped in a frenzy, and interested even in something so boring as a European election.

I don't consider the outcome a problem. I mean hello, wake-up call. We need to drop this constitution bullshit, since the only thing the constitution is shaping up to be is an afferimation of the power of the Big Three. Instead, we should concentrate on FINALLY fixing the goddamn electoral system and the internal administrative system of the EU. It's a mess. The only directly elected body of the EU, the Parliament, NEVER does anything to stop decisions made by the council. It sickens me.

And quite frankly, I think these elections should be invalidated because of the turnout. I mean hardly 45%, the stuff may be normal in the USA (ehehehe), but over here I think we should need at least 51% for any election to be valid, and I prefer the 80% of normal, healthy national elections.

Understand, tho', that the turnout and voting choices are both a result of heavy unhappiness with the EU as an institution. And this is justified. Right now, the EU is a mess and would be better of being disbanded than existing onwards in the same insane trend.
 
And quite frankly, I think these elections should be invalidated because of the turnout. I mean hardly 45%, the stuff may be normal in the USA (ehehehe), but over here I think we should need at least 51% for any election to be valid, and I prefer the 80% of normal, healthy national elections.
Also keep in mind that these numbers are influenced by the three countries where voting is obligatory, meaning they report a 99% voter turn-out.
Now, the part of the people that knows something about the EU or thinks it knows something and are unhappy aren't voting for the parties which they agree with most, they're voting for the parties that make a rumbling sound towards the EU that they can agree with. Pro-EU parties are, overal, getting their asses kicked. Eurosceptics, especially the new party popping up shouting "we need reform" or "FUCK THE EU", are getting the most votes.
Except over here. Here the party with the sound of "The EU should go away" or "The EU should mind its own business" (LPF, with the stupid slogan "Turkey joining the EU, have you been asked anything?") got no seats ('though they'll probably be gone with the general elections as well), and the only Euro-critical party we have (Europa Transparant) is not about kicking out the EU, but changing the way the EU works. (Which is why I would've voted for that).
 
Sander said:
Also keep in mind that these numbers are influenced by the three countries where voting is obligatory, meaning they report a 99% voter turn-out.

Malta had 80%. Always amuses me.

Sander said:
Except over here. Here the party with the sound of "The EU should go away" or "The EU should mind its own business" (LPF, with the stupid slogan "Turkey joining the EU, have you been asked anything?") got no seats ('though they'll probably be gone with the general elections as well), and the only Euro-critical party we have (Europa Transparant) is not about kicking out the EU, but changing the way the EU works. (Which is why I would've voted for that).

The SP got bigger, and it's certainly a Eurosceptic party.

But in our case, that's a result of the low turnout. People that don't care about the EU don't vote. Typically Dutch, we're too placid to protest :D
 
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