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John Uskglass

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The govenment of Sudan, responsible for the only known currently happening Genocide has been reelected to the UN Human Rights Commision. The US protested the action, and walked out.

If ever there was anything respectable in the UN, it's remnants have now been defecated on and torched.
 
What is all this negativistic shit about Genocide? Just think of it as an alternative form of birth control. Anyway the population there is most probably both too numerous and starving, so this particular demographics policy is interesting though slightly unpleasant (who will pay for all the bullets?).
The fact that the UN has chosen to reelect Sudan in that particular commission might mean that:
a) they are trying to make Sudan realize the error of their ways but chose an interesting way of doing that. If they succeed without fighting then bravo to the UN.
b) I have no idea about Sudan and what is going on over there and you didn't give us any proof of the fact that there is a Genocide in Sudan. What if this is just one big hoax?
c) The USA are paranoid once again, trying to find yet another third world country to invade and plunder of it's resources. Down with those capitalist swines.
:roll: So wich one is it? :roll:
 
Well, the U.S. is good at walking away from things...

c0ldst33ltrs4u, not to be rude or anything, but that whole ‘genocide can proportionally inhibit overpopulation’ argument is so bunk. If you think overpopulation is a problem... start by ending your own life.
 
KoC, how about

d) The UN is fubar. Run by a bunch of morons who couldn't tell their asses from their heads. It's more of a gang now than anything, you watch my back, I watch yours, unless France says otherwise.
 
c0ldst33ltrs4u, not to be rude or anything, but that whole ‘genocide can proportionally inhibit overpopulation’ argument is so bunk. If you think overpopulation is a problem... start by ending your own life.
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Am I the only one who can enjoy some dark humour every now and then? When did you guys get so touchy? I mean a swastika the size of a whole screen on your sig is ok, but if you make one joke that is not appreciated you get criticized.... go figure :roll:
d) The UN is fubar. Run by a bunch of morons who couldn't tell their asses from their heads. It's more of a gang now than anything, you watch my back, I watch yours, unless France says otherwise.
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That is possible too, but I would rather leave that as a last resort. I dread the idea, not as impossible, but as a monstrous reality.
 
Ah,. see? I wasn’t sure of your intent. You know, sarcasm is kind of hard to detect on the internet...
 
d) The UN is fubar. Run by a bunch of morons who couldn't tell their asses from their heads. It's more of a gang now than anything, you watch my back, I watch yours, unless France says otherwise.
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ARGH!
Goddamnit, man, learn about the ways of the UN.
A) France has veto (I say no) right. This is entirely the USA's fault, since the USA wanted to have another Western country with veto right to outnumber the Soviet bloc right after WW2 when the UN was started. However, France only has veto right in the security council, and only the security council can decide about wars. Furthermore, the security can only decide about wars, and it is the only part of the UN which has the power to make its members obey them.
B) The Human Rights Commission does in fact have nothing at all to do with the Security Council and is therefore completely seperate from France's influences as well.

Learn about the workings of something before you start attacking it.

CCR: Link! For god's sake, I'm getting tired of topics started by you with nothing but a bit of text and no explanation, links, sources or whatever.
 
I think he meant c0ldst33ltrs4u how about? but something got lost along the way :lol: sort of lost in translation :roll:
CCR: Link! For god's sake, I'm getting tired of topics started by you with nothing but a bit of text and no explanation, links, sources or whatever.
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Here here! We want a quote, link, or something tangible!
 
:roll:

You people never heard of google, huh?

http://www.atsnn.com/story/47519.html
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/040504/3/3k044.html

And before you react to the usage of the words alleged and accused, I think Sudan's crimes against humanity are pretty proven, even if they can't be politically unmasked. Read the HRW publications on it:
http://hrw.org/doc/?t=africa_pub&c=sudan

I think this is a slap in the face of what the UN was intended to be, and severely damage its credibility (even further). The further this stuff progresses, the more I feel some sympathy for the "destroy the UN and rebuild it". We can rebuild him, gentlemen, we have the technology.

However, I think a lot of those that talk derisively about the UN simply do not comprehend the nature of such an institution. They see the UN as a sort of bigger NATO, an institution which is supposed to be able to, under clear guidance by a leader nation (the US?), take direct action against anything which is "bad", as oppossed to the clear armies of "good", AKA the Western nations.

This is BS and stupid. An institution like the UN should never have a strong bias calling certain things *good* and other things *evil* in the black-and-white world which Bushies love to depict as reality so much.
 
The timing of all this is rather poor, for the United States. Even though the human rights abuses in Sudan make everything in Iraq look like hugs and kisses, Sudan can still point to Iraq and say that the US is just as bad.

Of course, if you look at the overall picture, the whole situation is a tad insane. For example, Spain has been ousted out of the Commission, while Pakistan won a seat. Mexico continues a long reign on the Commission, which is ludicrous (they may have a maximum prison sentence of 50 years and no death penalty, but their police are corrupt, so only poor people suffer, and prison conditions are deplorable).

Anyway, here are three articles on the UN Human Rights Commission and Sudan's role in it:
CNN.com: Sudan keeps seat on U.N. rights panel
Yahoo! News: Sudan Elected to U.N. Rights Group, U.S. Walks Out
Scoop: Sudan Re-Elected To UN Rights Commission

As for Sudan's genocide, check out the Internet Foundation's collection of links about the topic.

Here is a CNN.com article about the situation as well.

Hope that sheds some light on the topic.

Edit: Even if Kharn posts while I'm still writing my post. Well, then, at least it is even more information for everyone to look over.
 
I'm not one bit surprised or even intrigued by this development. As far as I am concerned, UN lost all credibility when they failed to stop wars in Croatia and Bosnia. They are a joke of an organization, a slew of incompetent bureaucrats who couldn't break up a fight in a school cafeteria, let alone protect civilian population from a genocide. The only thing that I find shocking about this matter is that there are still people who take UN seriously and actually give a shit about what they do or don't do.
 
Like Solo said, the UN are ass whips who can't tell their ass from their heads.

Genocide is a crime, a high crime against Humanity. Hell, just sitting by and allowing to happen is worst then those who commit it. UN has become fat and decadent, and I would not weep if it split or went to ruin. You'd think they would have learned from World War II, the Nazis and Japanese...

Same errors in different forms.
 
Just remember, the UN has no actual power... and nothing actually means anything. It's just a forum of people. That said, yeah, its FUBAR.
 
How many times do I have to explain to the ignorant that the UN is not just made up of the security council?!? It it not purely a peacekeeping/war organization. They perform massive amounts of humanitarian duties all over the world, not to mention global trade, and a shit load of other things. Anyone who thinks the UN is worthless or obsolete is just plain IGNORANT.
Go here to read more.
 
Right, I'm an engineering student, so I'm going to create a metaphor using imagery which I am comfortable with, just bare with me.

Lets say that I design a large high altitude passenger plane. I convince someone to pay for the construction, and even have it to the point where it can be flown. Soon the big day arrives, and hundreds of people fill the seats as my plane makes it's first ever trip. However, I forgot one essential thing, an air supply. The pilot blacks out in the thinning air, and the plane crashes.

Now, the plane worked perfectly, there was no problem with my plane. Only one thing went wrong, and that was because of people, not my plane. Yet the entire plane is now charred wreckage.

Yes, the United Nations is bigger than just the security council, for example, we have the UN Human Rights Commission on topic here (you might even be accused of missing the topic itself). Yet, we have a major fault in this Commission, the fact that it is made up of countries which fail at Human Rights themselves. For example, the United States is a country in full support of capital punishment (I am as well), yet many countries don't agree with this stance, why is the United States on this Commission if it violates such rights? Then another step down to genocide in Sudan.

To hark back to my rather elaborate (or at least long) metaphor, the Security Council and the UN's functions as peacekeepers, is a major component of the UN. Yet, this component is one which regularly fails, and could quite well cause the collapse of the UN (in another World War, or if the Cold War ever erupted).
 
Once again Sander, I know enough to not appreciate the UN now, although, I do appreciate the fact that it kept us from another world war. The fact is, the UN is crap because it doesn't have the U part. That's why I think its crap. Nations, including the US, don't care for it or their allies anymore. It's just what MadDog said, a forum for nations to decide on who to go to war with, and who's country to try and get unfucked. But even that, it has a hard time deciding on. IMHO, the "U"N needs a common enemy or goal to have a powerful influence and effect on people, not to mention, stay united.
 
What is all this negativistic shit about Genocide? Just think of it as an alternative form of birth control
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In Armenia-the first incident of modern Genocide-there where well documented reports from a German nurse that the Ottoman soldiers, on seperate occasions, stripped Armenian women down, told them to "dance" for the Germans, spread kerosene over the entire group, and lit them on fire. On another occasion, on a forced migration to a desert in modern Iraq from Cilicia, Ottoman soldiers took a goup of pregnant women, raped them, cut off thier breasts and drank the milk, then cut open the womb to kill the baby.

Genocide is the only totally inexcusable action. And frankly, I won't reply to any of your posts ever as that was the most offensive, silly, moronic & pathetic statement I have read on any forum ever.

This is BS and stupid. An institution like the UN should never have a strong bias calling certain things *good* and other things *evil* in the black-and-white world which Bushies love to depict as reality so much.
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I think you are trying to defend the UN doing this, but I hope I'm wrong.

The timing of all this is rather poor, for the United States. Even though the human rights abuses in Sudan make everything in Iraq look like hugs and kisses, Sudan can still point to Iraq and say that the US is just as bad.
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Understatement of the year.

A) People in Abu Gharib are terrorists, fundementalists and rebels. The Genevea Convention, thus, does not apply, and we are doing what we can to rapidly improve that situation. The people the Sudanese government are a local minority who are not even militarized. This is not even the Lord's Resistance army, these are civilians.
B)It's not similar.
 
ConstinpatedCraprunner said:
I think you are trying to defend the UN doing this, but I hope I'm wrong.
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Defending his particular action? No, not hardly...

But I think too many people don't understand the underlying idea of the UN, and comment on it too much despite not understanding what it is.
 
I understand what it does. It's fairly good at some low level relief work, and I understand that Sudan got in for some shitty alphabetical/continental thing.

But that's no fucking excuse.
 
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