Dr Fallout
Centurion
I was talking about Fallout 3 damn it.The Glow Quest says otherwise.
Fallout 1 BOS
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CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
I know, I know, I tease. I think the BoS in Fallout 3 is interesting enough because while they're "idealistic", it's really just Elder Lyons, Sarah, the Lyons Pryde, and Star Paladin Cross. Everyone else is following Elder Lyons because he's the Elder and we saw how far that goes with the Outcasts.
It's actually a worthy point of discussion whether Elder Lyons was "right" to try to clean up the Wasteland as he sacrificed large numbers of his troopers for what amounts to a quest he imposed on them with no real knowledge they had the capacity to win.
The Capital Wasteland is BOS Vietnam!
*plays Fortunate Son*
I think it's interesting how Father Elijah is basically Elder Lyons without the Lone Wanderer to save his ass.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Father Elijah is voiced by my hero...
Except he's not. There's nothing idealistic in him by time you meet him.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
Yes, because he's already lost everything. If Elder Lyons had lived to see himself lose his surrogate in Elijah's case/literal in Lyon's daughter leave him, his Brotherhood collapse, and all his ambitions destroyed with a death order on his head--he, too, would probably lose his idealism and become a monster.
Then again, I believe Father Elijah is a Fallen HeroTM and a once good man, not a person who was always a monster.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Fallen Hero? He never was a hero though...
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
Veronica certainly thought he was. A liberal reformer and a man who wanted the technology to save the BOS from their destruction at the hands of NCR.
Certainly, he's not a hero to the people in general but since when has that been a qualifier.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Because he was her tutor, bias much.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
Eh, I find it less interesting if he was just always an asshole. Then again, I also think part of the point of the Sierra Madre is that everyone there is desperate and half-insane (if not completely) except you.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
He wasn't always an asshole, jesus what kind of thinking makes you think there's only assholes and heroes. There's something inbetween.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
I believe every hero is another person's monster.
Certainly, there's an interesting story to be told if you had Elder Lyons having started the war with the Super Mutants. You could even argue there's in-game evidence with Little Lamplight next to the SM's Vault. Then again, a possibility there is the Super Mutants are just "harvesting" them when they reach of age, providing security until then.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
But there's more then heroes and monsters... you're thinking is so childlike sometimes...I believe every hero is another person's monster.
Certainly, there's an interesting story to be told if you had Elder Lyons having started the war with the Super Mutants. You could even argue there's in-game evidence with Little Lamplight next to the SM's Vault. Then again, a possibility there is the Super Mutants are just "harvesting" them when they reach of age, providing security until then.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
*rolls eyes*
Yes, there's more than heroes and monsters.
They're called the people who don't change the world.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Ah, but without them changing the world isn't possible.*rolls eyes*
Yes, there's more than heroes and monsters.
They're called the people who don't change the world.
MasterworkStone
Wasteland nobody
I think this is something a lot of people can agree on.
I think it's right to call the writing of Fo3 bad, but the direction that the writing was trying to convey is really good and held a lot of potential, some of which we can see come out in Fallout 4, it felt like the eastern Brotherhood of Steel had some character growth through the two games, no matter how little it was.
Which brings me to say that despite everything Bethesda keeps doing wrong, I still have hope for the future.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
NV has 186 endings.
NMA will never be satisfied.
And yeah that ending should be a thing.
If I had my way Obsidian would have had 20 years to make New Vegas, and I would freeze myself until they were done!
Einhanderc7
Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection
I think if you were the original BOS, you would send the wasteland dregs on a suicide quest as well. Just think of the tactical advantage of the idiots lucky enough to find the bunker entrance. Instead of creating conflict at their front door they just send the morons to the glow, where they will be killed by invisible radiation far away from their bunker.
Therefore they don't generate localized hate against them specifically, by murdering random wanderers.
Therefore they don't generate localized hate against them specifically, by murdering random wanderers.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Fallout 2 has 59.
But I feel like the endings in Fallout 2 are a lot more different to each other.
cdoublejj
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Well Dr ...no School like the Old School. Have to agree the writing in the originals is the best.
Had the Fo1 BOS survived long enough They would've grown to a point to have a militia/military like the TicTacs BOS. All though that's more of a thought than a theory.
Had the Fo1 BOS survived long enough They would've grown to a point to have a militia/military like the TicTacs BOS. All though that's more of a thought than a theory.