Fallout 2 / Fonline Engine Modding Update

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Dude101, Dec 12, 2010.

  1. Dude101

    Dude101 Vault Fossil
    Modder

    Aug 3, 2005
    Despite the release of Fallout New Vegas, the old school modding scene is still growing strong. Some new projects have been announced and we have updates on the old ones:

    European Commonwealth: Paris
    Grayswandir finally went public with his secret FO2 TC project which is to be set in Paris, France:<blockquote>When the bombs were flying over their heads, the population of Paris did the best they could to flee to safety. The luckiest entered one of the sealed shelters of the European Commonwealth Safeguard Program (one shelter for each arrondissement), while others had no choice but to seek refuge in the large underground networks of the city, in it's metro and Sewers, but also the deep caverns and labyrinthine tunnels that form the catacombs of Paris. But when the bombs stopped falling, many points of egress to the surface where blocked by the wreckage of fallen buildings; those that did find their way out, never came back, and those that settled too close to an exit... began to change... In the minds of the traumatized people, the surface became something as scary as the pits of hell. The survivors had to adapt to their new underground life, when the emergency supplies were finished, rats and mushrooms became the only substance on which to subsist, that is, if you are not into human flesh... The most courageous people improved their lot by hunting some of the new beasts that had recently appeared like apparitions in the darkness of the catacombs. Gangs of thugs settled in front of the underground doors of the EC-shelters to trade their scarce resources for the plentiful products of the hydroponic farms, and they protect this privileged arrangement fiercely against the others gangs.

    It's 2167. Your were lucky enough to be born in the EC-Shelter under the 13 Arrondissment of Paris; but your shelter too is blocked underground, and without any contact with Abri Central or with any of the other shelters. As occurs more regularly in these times, the prefect has organised a lottery. Unluckily for you, your number was pulled out. You will have to enter the catacombs to find a way out, and ensure the survival of the shelter. Your secondary mission, is to renew contact with the other shelters and Abri Central.</blockquote>See the time line for some more background information. The great story, new critters and the art direction of the European Vault boy Charles, really make this project stand out.<blockquote>Like the title says it is a mod with the particularity of being based in a part of the world other than the United States, namely the European continent, and since it's a French mod, it will be situated in Paris. Since Fallout is a retro-futuristic universe, the first challenge of our team was to imagine how the 2070 France of the Fallout universe would have developed, if it was based on the spirit of the French fifties. Basically we tried to identify what graphical elements the devs of Fallout chose to create the retro spirit, then we tried to find the equivalent in our country, and adapt it for the mod. We used what we know of the Fallout cannon concerning the EC, and then we built upon it.</blockquote>
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    Fallout of Nevada
    The Fallout of Nevada project has released two updates since we first announced it here, and I am happy to report their site is now releasing all updates in English as well as Russian. A Russian only demo has also been released, which could be fun for other modders to poke about in.<blockquote>Development of the game is moving at full speed! We are now 61% complete i.e. 2/3s of the game. It's time to show you all a video report on the completed work. The video describes in the most general terms the main plot and game region. In connection with this some things were added to the concepts section of our site.

    Since the last update many things have been achieved, for example, work has been completely finished on the SOS button and the new ability to plant various traps on the ground (conceptual demonstration in Russian).</blockquote>The video is narrated in Russian, but even if you don't understand it, it is still worth watching:

    <center>[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqjrxjXMyI8[/youtube]</center>
    What Remains

    Surf Solar who is more known more his excellent Mark Morgan inspired music, recently announced a new Fonline engine project, which does not sound that unusual considering the dozen such announcements since the SDK was released; except this is the first single player game to be created with this modern-old-school engine. This project is unusual in that it will look and feel like the classics, but will have allot of the bells and whistles Fallout2.exe is missing. This looks like the future of 'Fallout 2' modding, which could be why Fallhope the Van Buren project has ditched the FO engine in favor of it as well.<blockquote>Thanks to the power and usability of the FOnline Engine, it is much easier to create Singleplayer, as well as Multiplayer mods basing on it. As far as I know, I am the only one yet trying to make a singleplayer mod, rather than another multiplayer thingy. Anyway.

    The Big Picture: This mod rather concentrates on storytelling, dialogues, player investigation, atmosphere and not really on combat style, saving the world, guys with miniguns and stuff. If you are more into cool new guns and loads of new and shiny stuff, this wont be your thing. If you enjoy immersing yourself into a more serious toned, "realistic" game with rich story telling, then you might like it as much as I do. But, as the biggest limitation I set to myself - I don't want to make it too big, it will feature 3-4 bigger locations and some smaller ones, not making it too huge. I take some unusual way of creating a game - I first make music for a location, and THEN create the location itself. Some other design approach.

    Some Story Tidbits: I want this game to be as close in tone and asthetics as it can be to Fallout 1. The Games setting is located in the postwar USA of the "Big Lakes" region in the USA, no one really knows which year it already is, but seeing how fucked up the things are, the years after the great war can be counted on a few hands and toes. Same will be the main keyword of the mod: "Water". You will see many ruined cities too, as Chicago, Detroit and many other metropols lay in this area. You won't be the savior of the world, just some guy trying to come by, but this doesn't mean you can't influence your surrounding areas, doesn't it.

    Current Development Status: Music done 60%, SFX done: 80%, Maps done: 50%, Dialogues done: 20% Additional Scripting: Soon Start to work on it.</blockquote>
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    Red Dwarf Mod
    Hudajan made what seemed to be a typical vapourware post about his/her new project a little while ago, but s/he has become an accomplished FO modder in very little time (is already accomplished in other scenes), so an honorable mention is in order. The new critters in production are extremely well done:<blockquote>The game will be situated in open space; you will be moving around the world map with Red Dwarf fueled by hydrogen cells, which will be limited. For scouting and exploring missions, and for landing on planets and asteroids etc you will use Starbug. You probably wont be able to travel through space from the very beginning. Right now I'm working on the graphics, and am only just beginning the process of making this mod.</blockquote><center>The star map
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    <center>Some of many Kryten critter animations
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    *Discussion on NMA

    PS. Resurrection is still alive, and they sure could use your moral support on their forum.
     
  2. mobucks

    mobucks As a goof Orderite

    May 22, 2010
    pretty cool. bravo to these modders.
     
  3. .Pixote.

    .Pixote. Carbon Dated and Proud
    Modder

    Sep 14, 2009
    There is some impressive stuff in development... :clap:
     
  4. Lynette

    Lynette It Wandered In From the Wastes

    118
    Jan 9, 2010
    Oh very nice. Since I GM in the Chicago area I am very anxious with what kind of concepts others came up.
     
  5. bhlaab

    bhlaab Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    463
    Oct 30, 2008
    I just wish the impressive stuff would get released once in a while!
     
  6. DGT

    DGT It Wandered In From the Wastes

    148
    Apr 7, 2006
    Looks like a cool collection there. Hopefully they'll make it to release, as all too few decent TCs seem to.
     
  7. Soda_fr

    Soda_fr It Wandered In From the Wastes

    137
    Dec 31, 2009
    And... any chance to have a x-mas Mutants Rising update ;) ?

    --
    Aguirre
     
  8. .Pixote.

    .Pixote. Carbon Dated and Proud
    Modder

    Sep 14, 2009
    Making maps and art isn't the problem, it's the scripting and dialogue...a mod could have the equivalent of 600 pages of dialogue and descriptions, and hundreds of new scripts, understandably many mods die simply because people underestimate what's required to finish one.
     
  9. Lexx

    Lexx Background Radiant
    Moderator Modder

    Apr 24, 2005
    If you think that your mod can exist without fancy scripts, you can make a game on the FOnline Engine simply with new maps and the dialogue editor. This requires no additional scripting.

    Of course, if you want your NPCs to run around and do stuff, you will need some scripting.
     
  10. Surf Solar

    Surf Solar So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2009
    Indeed it is very easy to create new stuff with the FOnline engine. I was really quite surprised that no one yet did try out making a Singleplayergame out of the FOnline Engine yet, I don't want to be the only one. ;D And then I see Fallhope are doing it too - good!

    And yes, Lexx is right - I tried out FO2 modding ~1-2 years ago - it wasn't impossible, but since I like to work alone on my stuff it was rather unpleasant to do all this complicated work. Much stuff is simplified in the FOnline Engine, that's why I decided to move on this, and I didnt regret it. I just advise everyone who wants to lay his hands on Fallout modding to try out that engine. :) I am really not the one aquainted with coding, scripting and stuff, but since the code there is more "accessible" and easier to edit everyone can do it.


    And thank you for mentioning me there, I have some update coming up, but it'll take a little while. Will keep you informed. ;)
     
  11. Grayswandir

    Grayswandir Mildly Dipped

    518
    May 9, 2008
    Yeah, actually as project lead, half of my job is to discard good ideas, but that are too complicated for me to script.
    I keep the amount of things to do very small and I also divided the story in two part, so I know the first part at least is within my reach. (that and we are two scripters now )...



    I have given a lot of thought about the fonline engine too, and still am sometimes. Especially when fallout engine destroy the blue colors of our arts! :D We still are at a stage where we could switch to the fonline engine without trouble. But right now i am a lot more familiar with the fallout engine, than with the fonline dialog editor and angelscripts!
     
  12. shihonage

    shihonage Made in USSR

    May 8, 2007
    Shelter's map travel and character build prototype videos never made it to the front page, but the project is still alive, too, and this progress was made within the past year.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n_ypo-5Ql4[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIC6JUAVAAw[/youtube]
     
  13. HoboWithAGlock

    HoboWithAGlock First time out of the vault

    25
    Aug 14, 2009
    Not going to lie, the Paris mod sounds a lot like Metro 2033.
     
  14. Grayswandir

    Grayswandir Mildly Dipped

    518
    May 9, 2008
    Not going to lie either, i am not very familiar with this game. But since it's has a postnuclear setting, it is very possible, yes.
    Fast all the WW2 and nuclear shelters under Paris were connected through the gallery of the catacombs, sewers, subways, ... and the population was advised to go to the safety of the subway in case of alarm (that's probably true for every country). We are merely using those facts.
    I promise we are going to make it sound as much fallout as possible, and not as much metro 2033 as possible.
    :D
     
  15. swampcat

    swampcat Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    399
    Feb 4, 2006
    awesome !

    Bravo ! Bellissimo !

    :clap:
     
  16. Ausdoerrt

    Ausdoerrt I should set a custom tit

    Oct 28, 2008
    @shihonage: I won't lie, I'm really looking forward to Shelter release, although it looks like it'll take another year or two to complete, at least. The new stuff looks totally swell though. I'd probably even buy the game if you guys make an official release.

    In the 2nd vid, is that the combat system you're gonna use? If I'm seeing it right, it looks like simultaneous turn-based, similar to TOEE except now EVERYONE moves at the same time. Please tell me I'm seeing it right, that's pretty damn exciting.

    @OP: The French Vault-Boy looks hilarious. Good job!
     
  17. shihonage

    shihonage Made in USSR

    May 8, 2007
    Ausdoerrt: The combat system is PwRT, as opposed to traditional RTwP.

    The difference is, everyone is frozen by default.

    They unfreeze ONLY when player is performing an action such as using an item, moving, or firing.

    This completely eliminates the twitch factor from combat. When you're contemplating your next move, the game is frozen.
     
  18. Ausdoerrt

    Ausdoerrt I should set a custom tit

    Oct 28, 2008
    Hmmm... So, what determines how many actions the enemy can get in during yours? Does the game still count turns?
     
  19. shihonage

    shihonage Made in USSR

    May 8, 2007
    There's no concept of turns (anymore). I don't know if AP will exist as a concept.

    There's another mechanic, where you gain inertia through continuous movement and become harder to hit with certain kinds of gunfire, and more likely to knock an enemy over. There's a "bionic man" shadow effect appearing behind you.

    This is theoretically meant to offset 1-vs-many situations, if I disallow NPCs to use the same mechanic.

    The combat mechanics, as video says, are very much not finished. They're possibly the most radical deviation from Fallout concepts in this engine, and I am striving to retain strategic element (though Fallout's combat was pretty flawed by itself).
     
  20. lisac2k

    lisac2k Vault Senior Citizen
    Modder

    Oct 26, 2004
    I won't lie, but Mr. Shiho was posting news and updates regularly in the proper subforum here on NMA which, in return, were not visited nor feedbacked as regularly/intensively as he (most probably) wanted. How about going there or on moddb/indiedb/official website once in a while and show some support? It's a small timewaste for you, but the great wind in the back for the developer.

    Topic related, I am glad to see that Fallout 1/2 modding didn't lost on its weight after all these years. Modding motives. Modding motives never change.