Fallout 76 Patch Notes – December 11, 2018 - OMG this is hilarious

Discussion in 'Fallout 76' started by CT Phipps, Dec 12, 2018.

  1. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    I am getting more fun out of reading the bug fixes than I am from the game. I mean some of these are just INSANE.

    Patch Version:

    Download sizes for this update will be approximately 5GB for consoles, and around 3GB for PC.

    • PC:

    • C.A.M.P. Construction Improvements: Small obstructions will now be automatically removed when you place objects on top of them, allowing you to more easily build when and where you want.
    • C.A.M.P. Placement Improvements: You will now be notified when you log into a world and your current C.A.M.P. location is occupied by another player. If you stay in that world, you can place your C.A.M.P. back down for free. If you decide not to place your C.A.M.P. and join a new world where your space is unoccupied, it will be automatically placed in its original spot.
    • SPECIAL Re-speccing: Upon reaching level 51, and every level thereafter, you’ll be able to choose whether you want to unlock a new Perk Card or reallocate one SPECIAL point.
    • Push-to-Talk: We’ve implemented a push-to-talk hotkey for Voice Chat on PC so that you can decide when to speak up and when to remain silent.
    • New PC Settings: We’ve added Field of View and Depth of Field sliders so that you can further customize your view in-game.
    • 21:9 Resolution Support: On PC, you can catch an even wider view from those gorgeous Appalachian vistas, because Fallout 76 now supports monitors that use 21:9 aspect ratios.

    • Performance: Several improvements have been made to in-game performance.
    • Stability: The Fallout 76 game client and servers have received additional stability improvements.

    • Lighting: Exposure values have been adjusted for exterior environments, allowing them to appear brighter in dark conditions.

    • Loot: .308 Ammo dropped by creatures has been reduced. Players will now receive .308 Ammo in stacks of 1 – 5, rather than up to 12 for a single kill.
    • Loot: Super Mutants will now drop Gunpowder half as often, and the chance for additional loot has been reduced. Caps are guaranteed loot on Super Mutants until level 16.
    • Scorchbeast Queen: Will now land on the ground more often.
    • Workshops: Players no longer gain XP when crafting at a public Workshop.
    C.A.M.P., Crafting, and Workshops

    NEW – Automatically remove obstructions in C.A.M.P.s:

    • Rocks, small trees, and other small objects no longer prevent players from building items in those locations.
    • These obstructions are now automatically removed upon constructing objects and structures in C.A.M.P., such as Foundations.
    • Placing an object to remove an obstruction and then removing that object, will cause that obstruction to reappear after some time or upon logging back in.
    NEW – C.A.M.P. placement improvements:

    • A notification will now be displayed to players upon logging into a world if their current C.A.M.P. location is occupied by someone else.
    • If they choose to remain in that world, they will be able to place their C.A.M.P. in a new location for free.
    • Alternatively, if the player decides not to place their C.A.M.P. in a new location, and instead joins a new world, their C.A.M.P. will be automatically placed back in its original location—as long as that spot is unoccupied.
    Additional C.A.M.P., Crafting, and Workshop updates:

    • C.A.M.P.: The percentage of a C.A.M.P.’s Budget that is being taken up by stored items and Blueprints will now appear in the Budget bar.
    • C.A.M.P.: While in build mode, players can now toggle the left joystick on controllers, or press “Q” on PC, to switch view between objects that can be built and those that cannot.
    • Windmill: The power produced by the Windmill has been increased from 3 to 12.
    • Workshops: Players can now purchase Atomic Shop items directly from the Workshop menu.

    NEW – SPECIAL Re-speccing:

    • Every time a player levels-up after level 50, they can now choose whether to unlock a new Perk Card or transfer one previously allocated SPECIAL point from one category to another.
    • This change is not retroactive for characters that have already progressed beyond level 50 but will apply to every level-up they achieve going forward.
    • If a player chooses to reallocate a SPECIAL point on leveling-up, they will be unable to select a new Perk Card for that level, and vice-versa.
    • Re-speccing details have also been added to the “Perks” section of the in-game Help menu.

    Event Quests: A 15-minute cooldown timer has been added at the end of each Enclave Event Quest.

    Event Quests: XP reward amounts have been reduced for the following Event Quests:

    • Fertile Soil, Collision Course, Tea Time, Guided Meditation, Distinguished Guests, Battle Bots, Line in the Sand, Protest March, Grafton Day, Patrol Duty, Jailbreak, Back on the Beat, and Feed the People.
    • Additionally, the cooldown timer that begins after starting each of these Events has been increased from 48 minutes to 1 hour and 12 minutes.
    User Interface

    NEW – Push-to-Talk Setting (PC):

    • A Push-to-Talk setting has been added for Voice Chat, and is set to the Caps Lock key by default.
    • The “Toggle Always Run” hotkey, which used to be set on Caps Lock, has been moved to the “/” key by default.
    • Both the Caps Lock and “/” hotkeys can be rebound in the Controls Menu.
    NEW – Depth of Field Setting (PC):

    • A Depth of Field slider has been added and can be adjusted in the game’s display settings menu.
    NEW – Field of View Setting (PC):

    • A Field of View slider has been added and can be adjusted in the game’s display settings menu.
    • The Field of View slider can be adjusted in increments of 5, to a maximum of 120, and a minimum of 70.
    • Note: Field of View will be automatically set to 70 while modifying a character’s appearance but can otherwise be set between the values mentioned above.
    NEW – 21:9 Resolution Support (PC):

    • The game client will now automatically detect and apply the correct display resolution for monitors that use 21:9 resolutions.
    • Additionally, various 21:9 resolutions can be selected in the game’s display settings menu.
    Additional User Interface Updates:

    • AFK Timer: The timer that disconnects players after a period of inactivity in-game has been increased from 10 to 30 minutes, and the warning prompt will now display 3 minutes, rather than 1 minute, prior to being disconnected.
    • Atomic Shop: Items that have recently been added to the Atomic Shop now display a “New” icon, and new items will now sort to the front of their associated subsections.
    • Atomic Shop: Item subtitles in the Atomic Shop have been moved to the top of item images.
    • Compass: Maximums have been implemented for each type of marker that can appear in the compass, and up to 60 markers in total can be visible at once:
    • -------> Up to 10 markers each for quests, locations, hostile players, and enemies.
    • ------->Up to 8 markers each for neutral players and targeted enemies.
    • ------->Up to 4 markers for teammates.
    • ------->Players can still use their Pip-Boys to toggle tracking off for individual quests if they’d prefer to reduce them amount of quest markers in the compass, and on-screen.
    Bug Fixes

    Stability and Performance

    • Performance: Fixed an issue that could cause the player to encounter an infinite loading screen when Fast Traveling.
    • Performance: Addressed hitching that could occur during combat in Nuke Silos.
    • Performance: Addressed an issue that could cause reduced performance and displayed a red-text error when viewing the Map, Map Menu, Perk Screen, or a Note.
    • Performance: Addressed an issue that could cause hitching on the Perk Menu when sharing a Perk Card or unequipping a shared Perk Card.
    • Performance: Addressed a performance issue on Xbox that could occur while traveling in The Mire.
    • Performance: Addressed an issue that could cause reduced performance after a Wendigo screams.
    • Stability: Addressed a crash that could occur when accessing the transfer menu after picking up a Power Armor Chassis.
    • Stability: Addressed a crash that could occur if a Team Invite was automatically declined after not being accepted or rejected.

    • Achievements: Winning the Monster Mash event by collecting the most candy now correctly awards the associated Achievement/Trophy for console players.
    • Achievements: Killing the Scorchbeast Queen during the Scorched Earth event now correctly awards the associated Achievement/Trophy for console players.
    • Achievements: Completing the Breach and Clear event now correctly awards the associated Achievement/Trophy for console players.
    Art and Graphics

    • Animations: Ghouls in the Vault-Tec Agricultural Research Center’s basement no longer hitch while playing their movement animations.
    • Animations: Super Mutants inside the Eastern Regional Penitentiary no longer hitch or stall while playing their movement animations.
    • Animations: Fixed several issues causing Vertibots and other cargo bots to exhibit odd movement behavior when landing.
    • C.A.M.P.: On consoles, objects built by the player will no longer temporarily appear completely black upon joining a world.
    • Character Models: Other players’ character models will no longer display visual issues when a loading screen completes after exiting a building.
    • Graphics: Fixed a visual issue that could cause wooden objects and structures to display blurry graphic effects.
    • Graphics: On PS4, flames and fire effects now render correctly, and no longer only display smoke and embers.
    • Graphics: Fixed an issue on PS4 that could cause objects within building interiors to appear very dark.
    • Graphics: Fixed an issue that could cause shadows and lighting to flicker in some environments and inside certain buildings.
    • Graphics: Flamethrower Traps no longer display dark hexagonal objects while firing.
    • Graphics: Corrected a visual issue affecting smoke produced by the Cooling Towers at the Thunder Mountain Power Plant.
    • Paints: Modding Combat Armor after applying Paint no longer prevents the Paint from appearing.
    • Power Armor: On Xbox One, visual artifacts will no longer appear in the upper corners of the screen while wearing Power Armor in the rain.
    • Weather: Objects in the world will no longer appear to flicker while it is raining.
    • Weapons: The Minigun’s barrel no longer appears partially transparent while previewing it in the Inspect menu.
    • Weapons: Being attacked while using a Chainsaw no longer causes a “tunnel vision”-like graphic effect to appear on-screen.
    • Weapons: The Pitchfork Flamer mod no longer displays a blocky green texture when previewing it at a Weapons Workbench.
    • Weapons: An extra bolt no longer appears when previewing Crossbows in the Inspect, Trade, or Transfer Menus.
    • Weapons: Fire, Heated, and Electric visual effects now appear correctly when previewing weapons in the Modify and Inspect menus.
    C.A.M.P., Workshops, and Crafting

    • Blueprints: Fixed an issue that could prevent a Blueprint from being placed and cause a “Cannot place item: Selected item is floating.” error to display, even if the placement preview showed the intended location was valid.
    • Blueprints: Fixed an issue that could prevent a Blueprint from being placed without displaying an error message, even if the placement preview showed the intended location as valid.
    • Blueprints: The placement preview for a Blueprint that contains floating objects will no longer occasionally display a green outline despite being unplaceable.
    • Blueprints: Attempting to place a Blueprint by snapping it to an existing structure will no longer appear acceptable, or allow placement, if it would cause objects to overlap.
    • Blueprints: Fixed an issue that could allow creation of a Blueprint that exceeded the Blueprint Budget.
    • Containers: Fixed an exploit that could enable unlimited item storage.
    • Doorways: Can now be correctly snapped to floors that are attached to Stairs.
    • Recent: The Recent tab in the Build Menu will now correctly display objects that have recently been built.
    • Scrapping: Fixed an issue that could allow a player to unintentionally scrap their Pip-Boy.
    • Stairs: Can no longer be placed in a way that causes them to clip through Roof objects.
    • Stored: Addressed an exploit that could cause items in the Stored tab to become duplicated.
    • Stored: Storing a variant of an object that the player has not yet learned how to build will now cause that item to be converted to a variant the player can build. If no variants have been learned, the stored item will be converted to its base version.
    • Wind Chimes: Can now correctly be attached to Walls in C.A.M.P.s.
    • Workbenches: The list of available crafting materials at the Power Armor Station now updates correctly upon modifying a suit of Power Armor.
    • Workshops: After Powering up a Power Plant, Power Boxes at the plant now correctly produce 400 Power, and Power Boxes at surrounding Workshops produce 100 Power.
    • Workshops: Car models no longer reappear after being removed by building an object on top of them.

    • General: Fixed an issue that could cause enemies to remain stationary while they were out of combat.
    • Bee Swarms: Are no longer invisible.
    • Honeybeast: No longer drop more Adhesive than intended, and now instead drop a stack of 1 – 2 Adhesive on death.
    • Mirelurk Queen: The Mirelurk Queen’s acid attack no longer deals more damage than intended.
    • Scorchbeast: The Scorchbeast in the Glassed Cavern can no longer fly through walls.

    • Aid: Fixed an issue causing Bobbleheads and Magazines to spawn at a lower rate than intended. These items should now appear 16% more often.
    • Apparel: Buying Apparel from a Vendor will now correctly add that item to the player’s Inventory.
    • Armor: Fixed an exploit affecting certain armor types that could allow players to gain unlimited carry capacity during that play session.
    • Caps: Addressed several exploits that could allow players to gain Caps more quickly than intended.
    • Power Armor: Fixed an issue that could allow two players to simultaneously activate the same suit of unowned Power Armor.
    • Power Armor: It is no longer possible to transfer more than one Fusion Core into a suit of Power Armor.
    • Serums: Now correctly apply Mutations when consumed, and Mutations applied in this way now correctly appear in the Pip-Boy’s Effects tab.
    • Vendors: Items that do not have a Cap value can no longer be sold to Vendors.
    • Weapons: Applying a Precise Stock mod to the Pipe Bolt-Action Pistol no longer increases its rate of fire.
    • Weapons: Attacking another player with a Cryolator no longer drains their Action Points outside of mutual PVP.
    • Weapons: Fixed an issue that could prevent Plasma Pistols from dealing damage.
    • Weapons: Projectile weapons no longer fire at the player’s feet when aiming at a downward angle.

    • Personal Matters: Fixed several issues that could prevent Evan from spawning correctly.
    • An Ounce of Prevention: The T-Type Fuse quest marker now correctly appears above the container that contains the fuse. Additionally, an optional new objective has ben added to help players find a way into Greg’s Mine Supply.
    • Chow Line: This Daily Quest can no longer be repeated multiple times per day.
    • Dropped Connection: Loot that is left behind by other players after completing this event is now correctly cleared when the event restarts.
    • Events: Players can now correctly join Event Quests after Fast Traveling to a nearby location and walking into an active Event area.
    • Feed the People: Fixed an issue in which completing the Feed the People Event Quest granted Canned Meat Stew to all players on the server, rather than only the quest’s participants.
    • The Missing Link: Collecting the Uplink now correctly clears the Retrieve the Uplink quest step.
    • Line in the Sand: Waves of Scorched no longer walk into the walls of Fort Defiance when attempting to reach the Sonic Generator.
    • Scorched Earth: Fixed an issue that could cause this event to be completed immediately after it began.
    • Scorched Earth: Players who damage the Scorchbeast Queen will now correctly receive 2 Military Commendations when she is killed, even if they did not land the killing blow.

    • Critical Savvy: No longer allows the player to use a Critical Strike if the Critical Meter is not completely filled.
    • Fix it Good: Bonus durability added to armor is no longer suddenly lost after being hit a few times.
    • Green Thumb: The double harvest benefit of this Perk no longer incorrectly applies to Mothman Eggs.
    • Heavy Gunner: No longer incorrectly benefits the Auto Grenade Launcher.
    • Shotgun Perks: No longer incorrectly benefit the M79 Grenade Launcher.
    • Strange in Numbers: Now correctly increases positive Mutation effects by 25%, rather than 50%, when on a team with a player who has Mutations that grant bonuses to SPECIAL stats.
    • Weapon Artisan: Bonus durability added to a weapon is no longer suddenly lost after using the weapon a few times.

    • Weapon Damage: Addressed an issue that could prevent high-level weapons from dealing damage during PVP.
    • Team PVP: When attacked by a player who is on a team, the target will now correctly enter mutual PVP with the entire team upon returning fire to any of the aggressor’s teammates. If the target was also on a team, returning fire will begin mutual PVP between both teams.
    • Turrets: Will no longer fire on another player who is attacked by the owner of those Turrets outside of mutual PVP combat.

    • Friends: Friends who have been Blocked now remain visible in the Friends List. This should help players unblock a friend who they may have blocked accidentally.
    • Friends: Friends who have been Blocked or Ignored will now display a “(Blocked)” or “(Ignored)” tag next to their account name in Friends List.
    • Friends: Friend status in the Social Menu will now correctly update to Online, Offline, or Main Menu.
    • Social Menu: Players in the Social Menu are now correctly sorted first by those who are Online in the same world, Online in another world, at the Main Menu, Offline, Ignored, Blocked, and finally, by alphabetical order.
    • Social Menu: Players on PC who use controllers can now correctly access the search field found at the bottom of the Social Menu.
    • Social Menu: Players in the Recent Players list no longer display an Online, Offline, or Main Menu status.
    • Teams: Players will no longer be placed into a team alone if the player they previously invited disconnects from the game.
    • Teams: Attempting to accept a team invite after the team’s leader has left the team will no longer cause an error message to display.
    • Teams: Team members who exit the game will be removed from the team after logging back in. If the team leader disconnected in this way, another team member will become the leader.
    • Teams: Fixed an issue that could prevent Team Invites from being displayed to the player.

    • Game Volume: On Xbox, the game’s audio volume will no longer fluctuate when looking through a weapon’s scope.
    • Holotapes: Choosing “Play” upon finding a Holotape in the world while using the “Quick-Boy” version of the Pip-Boy no longer prevents its voiceover from playing.
    • Sound Effects: On PS4, wind sound effects at high altitudes now fade out rather than ending abruptly.
    • Radio: Playing a Holotape while listening to Appalachia Radio no longer causes a delay when the radio transitions to the next song.
    User Interface

    • Atomic Shop: On PC, clicking the “Back” button while viewing an item’s detailed description no longer causes that item’s details overlay to persist on-screen.
    • Atomic Shop: The clickable area on item buttons in the leftmost column in the Atomic Shop now correctly matches the size of the buttons.
    • Atomic Shop: Addressed an issue that could prevent items in the Atomic Shop from loading correctly for players on console.
    • Atomic Shop: Fixed an issue that could prevent fanfare from playing, or cause it to end early, after making a purchase.
    • Atomic Shop: Clicks will no longer fail to register along the bottom edge of the screen when attempting to purchase Atoms while running the game on PC with a 16:10 monitor resolution.
    • Challenges: The “Level Up” Daily Challenge no longer remains completed when Challenges reset on a new day.
    • Containers: Weight values no longer shift slightly to the left when viewing a container’s inventory.
    • Graphic Settings: Addressed an issue that could cause Graphic Settings to automatically default to Low for some graphics cards, despite being able to support higher settings.
    • Hotkeys: Rebinding Jump to a mouse button now correctly causes the “Search” and “Modify/Repair” prompts to display the updated hotkey.
    • Keypads: Attempting to access a keypad being used by another player will now correctly display an error message stating that the keypad is in use.
    • Localization: Carry weight and current Cap totals no longer appear truncated in the bottom-right corner of the Map in the Chinese game client.
    • Localization: Password characters are no longer missing from the note in the storage room in Camp Venture in the Polish version of the game client.
    • Localization: Fixed an issue that could cause text to disappear or appear misaligned in hackable Terminals in the Korean version of the game client.
    • Localization: Wall and Floor Décor section titles in the C.A.M.P.’s Build Menu no longer appear truncated in the Traditional Chinese game client.
    • Power Armor: Fast Traveling with Power Armor that was purchased in the Atomic Shop no longer removes the Atomic Shop logo.
    • Power Armor: While wearing Power Armor and playing in 21:9 aspect ratios on PC, raindrops and other visual effects now correctly extend to the edges of the screen.
    • Quest Tracker: Fixed an issue that could cause placeholder text to display to teammates in the quest tracker as the team leader progressed through a quest.
    • Respawn: Choosing to respawn at the nearest Map Marker no longer occasionally causes the player to encounter an infinite loading screen, a black screen, or an error message.
    • Settings: Fixed an issue on PC that could allow the game client’s visible area to extend beyond the bounds of the monitor.
    • VATS: Melee attacks will now correctly increase the Critical Meter.
    • Workshops: The notification that appears when a player is prompted to retake a previously owned Workshop no longer displays placeholder text.
  2. TheChosen1

    TheChosen1 Moving Target

    Nov 8, 2012
    So, when's the patch that takes the game off the market?
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  3. cratchety ol joe

    cratchety ol joe Mildly Dipped

    Sep 2, 2008
    So wait, are people still playing the B.E.T.A ?

    I mean, this intensity of patching surely can't be for a V1.0 retail release right?
    • [Rad] [Rad] x 1
  4. SquidWard

    SquidWard Pirate and Bankrobber oTO Orderite

    Jun 1, 2018
    That's way too long of a list. It's like you'd have to figure out what bothered you and control + F to find out if your issue got fixed.
    • [Rad] [Rad] x 1
  5. The Doctor

    The Doctor Veteran of The Divide

    Jun 6, 2015
    Boy, everyone just now joining 76 is in for a rough time while those that bought it Day One now have an advantage due to not being gimped by less exp and ammo drops

    We're, what, a month after launch and Bethesda's already garroting 76?

    This is a glorious train wreck, and the salt goes great with my popcorn
    • [Rad] [Rad] x 2
  6. HydroFlame

    HydroFlame The Vanishing Act

    Dec 5, 2018
    It would seem a whole lot of people are upset with Bethesda but there will always be the ones who defend them until the very end.

    Wait, aren't these the same ones Hass posted in the 76 sucks thread? That was a lot of patches.
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2018
  7. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    That's part of the joke that the patch is massive and is only the 2nd of 4 they have planned this month.

    This is also stuff that's just mind-blowing.

    "Patch bees so they're not invisible when attacking you."

    Man, what?

    This is like a quarter of the patches they have done.

    The scariest thing is most of these clearly could have been fixed easily before launch.
  8. cratchety ol joe

    cratchety ol joe Mildly Dipped

    Sep 2, 2008
    My apologies I needed to tag my previous post with <ridiculously dry British sarcasm> ...

    of course, my comments are sideways aimed at the fact you pointed out...
    • [Rad] [Rad] x 1
  9. Risewild

    Risewild Antediluvian as Feck
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
  10. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    I should note I booted up my copy today.

    First note?

    It's impossible to highlight the bottom Title Screen commands.

    Things like "Quit to the Main Menu.", "Credits", and so on.

    Wow....that clued me into how things were going to go.
  11. The Doctor

    The Doctor Veteran of The Divide

    Jun 6, 2015
    Whoops, can't have people being kind and helpful to everyone - better fix it to encourage everyone being selfish douchecanoes
    • [Rad] [Rad] x 1
  12. HydroFlame

    HydroFlame The Vanishing Act

    Dec 5, 2018
    • Performance: Fixed an issue that could cause the player to encounter an infinite loading screen when Fast Traveling.
    This happenend to me constantly with 4 on my PS. I thought it might have just been me, but I see Beth was keeping tradition alive.
  13. yfk12

    yfk12 Degenerate who belongs on a cross

    May 31, 2018
    Except it isn't enough for a AAA game to just make a profit. It failed to make a ludicrous amount of money, so their investors are still gonna be pissed. Although knowing Bethesda, the lesson that they'll take from this is that they need to monetize their games even more.
  14. TheChosen1

    TheChosen1 Moving Target

    Nov 8, 2012
    Fallout: 1488 - Use the A.T.O.M. store to build your very own Fallout game from the bottom up!
  15. HydroFlame

    HydroFlame The Vanishing Act

    Dec 5, 2018
    I'd support this idea, because even I could make a better game, and I'm not creative at all.
  16. Paladin Hank

    Paladin Hank Still Mildly Glowing

    May 6, 2018
    Well thanks for letting Bethesda know its okay to make shitty products because there'll always be careless consumers such as yourself to buy them.
    Also sorry if I sound like an asshole, I'm not usually like this (or at least I think I'm not), but WHY in the name of Christ would you buy a game you already know is complete trash? Is it dumb curiosity? Or do you just enjoy tossing your cash to undeserving and unbelievably lazy buffoons? In any case hope you enjoy the 10 hours of gametime you'll spend on this excuse of a game before realising how forgettable and worthless it is.
    sidenote: I'm not pissed off or anything like that, simply confused why someone who is familiar with the Classic Fallouts would buy the very antithesis of Fallout. That's all.
  17. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    Because...Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas are objectively better games? I like them more and have said repeatedly how I consider Fallout 3 to my favorite of the franchise.

    Fallout 4 was a gross disappointment (still playable not not a 10/10 like Fallout 3) but I can't talk about why because I have to roll my eyes at the people who can't see a difference between the awesomeness of Fallout 3 and the failures of Fallout 4.

    I preordered Fallout 76 but didn't play it because I also live....in West Virginia.

    So unlike other people who immortalize Fallout 1 and 2 (which are great games, just not as good as F3), I actually had room to be disappointed by Fallout 76. Especially since I consider Skyrim my all time favorite games.

    In short, people have difficulty with the fact I *LIKE* Bethesda games. So, people here think I might as well be speaking Greek because they hate ALL Bethesda games so they can't comprehend why 76 is a step down from their other works.
  18. Risewild

    Risewild Antediluvian as Feck
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    Bethesda is privately own, they don't have investors.
    As long as they get some profit, it will be enough. Fallout 76 is made to rely on the Atom shop for continuous profit. So if they make a small profit from sales, it will still be enough to satisfy the "boss".

    Also, Fallout 76 is just a "side project". I doubt they spent 1/2 or even 1/3 of what it costed to make Fallout 4 while making 76. So they don't need that big of a margin to be successful. Just from sales on Japan for PS4, in one week (if the article I posted is correct), Fallout 76 sold 73.489 units. It costs 8618 yens (roughly $76), so in one week, just from PS4 consumers in Japan, Bethesda got $5.585.164.

    For Bethesda, the real money is coming from The Elder Scrolls VI, Starfield and Fallout 5.

    I do hope that the legal suit and the letting customers down over and over will make Bethesda think twice about pulling this up again. But I think they will still make a profit from Fallout 76, even if it's a "small" one.
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  19. TheChosen1

    TheChosen1 Moving Target

    Nov 8, 2012
    That's how their games already operate. You buy their product and then modify it into something better with content made by people working for free. Now you'll be buying the game and making it with content bought from Bethsoft through microtransactions.
    • [Rad] [Rad] x 1
  20. Paladin Hank

    Paladin Hank Still Mildly Glowing

    May 6, 2018
    Objectively speaking they aren't comparable. Classic Fallout is isometric, FO3 and NV third/first person shooter. One's in 2d and came out in the 90's, one is in 3d and came out in the 2008/10's. Whether you like one over the other is up to your own personal taste.
    What we can compare is roleplaying elements, and here Fallout 3 falls completely short, as you know.
    I can understand the love for Fallout 3, especially if it was your first Fallout game. I remember loving it a lot, along with Fallout 4, until I experienced better. They're enjoyable games if you ignore the poor writing, retconns and piss poor rpg elements. They're enjoyable if you're a casual gamer, who just wants to shoot things. That's the targeted audience for these games. Which is why I can't bring myself to play them anymore.
    I don't understand the logic here.
    Once again, subjective taste, but objectively Classic Fallouts are better roleplaying games, that's undeniable.
    Well since this game uses the same engine and wonky animations present in TESV, you might find enjoyment in it (there are even dragons in fallout now amazing!)
    I don't hate ALL Bethesda games. I still have some attachment to F3 (even though I would have preferred Van Buren 300000% more) and it still has some good things in it, amongst the trash. F4 is another story. Skyrim was fun as my first "roleplaying" experience, haven't played Oblivion but from what I've heard its a little less dumb than Skyrim. Morrowind is probably a good rpg, but I have yet to play it.
    76 is a step down from their other works, somehow. I mean have you seen how much of a bug-riddled passionless mess it is? And Bethesda shows their true scummy form. Anyways enough said, if you haven't read this through I understand.
    I still don't know why you would buy Fallout 76.
    • [Rad] [Rad] x 1