Fallout and Bethesda

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Just so no one starts to pull their hair out and the likes, I have been informed that alot of the stuff that was featured in the Gameinformer "article" about Fallout 3 was alot of speculation. I would also assume that the recent Todd statements can also be viewed as this, but when a computer magazine writes a quote the developer should read it before it's published. So Todd, next time check your facts..

I'll just leave you with this:<blockquote>There are no devs to be open to interviews because currently there are no devs for Fallout 3. As we've said several times, we're in pre-production and in the process of hiring people to work on the game. When there are devs, and they are ready to talk about the game, and we have something to talk about, we'll talk about the game.</blockquote>Guess you need to take out that leash Pete, eh?!
 
Bethesda really needs to limit who can actualy speak.

Preferbly, just the devs, since noone else there seems to have a fucking clue.
 
No, like I said, there are no devs for Fallout 3. Todd is the executive producer for both Oblivion and Fallout 3. Knowing who it is that will be in charge of the project is a bit different than having developers on the team to talk about things they've decided to do, or not to do. Again, those people still don't exist.

The stuff hitting the magazines now was all done at the same time as the online interviews that appeared back when we announced we obtained the rights to Fallout 3, except for the Game Informer bit, which was done a few weeks afterwards.
 
Petey <3 said:
The stuff hitting the magazines now was all done at the same time as the online interviews that appeared back when we announced we obtained the rights to Fallout 3, except for the Game Informer bit, which was done a few weeks afterwards.
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So I guess all that talking fits into the "too early to say anything" strategy? So can we assume that (at least for now) these:

it's gritty drug-and-prostitute-speckled irreverence is still at the core
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"I'd say the impact the original had in its day was about so much more then the angle you viewed it at, or how combat was executed"
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are just Todd expressing his personal opinions?

*edited to remove references to talking posteriors and chucky cuevas.*
 
I wish you guys would stop taking personal shots at people from Bethseda.

Sure, maybe you're unhappy about the direction they might head with Fallout 3 and I'm just as unhappy but I don't think anyone needs smartass comments like "Guess you need to take out that leash Pete, eh?!"

Don't cheapen your positions by making yourselves look like whinging children. If Bethseda are going to listen to the Fallout community they need to know there intelligent people to listen to. The "sour loser" position will never get you anywhere.
 
Meh, fuck off.
Theyre getting off lightly, considering some of the things weve had to say about Chucky.
 
Well I think YOU'LL be getting off lightly if you get a game you like considering the shit attitude you're copping.

Why the fuck should they please you? You're just a whinger.
 
Maybe people need to quit speculating wildly from miniscule press releases in less than note-worthy mediums? Until the final Development Team decide to grant an interview with one of the more reputable Fallout Fan Sites or posts on a dedicated website with words similar to "things will be thus" I think everyone should relax a bit, speculate about what's said but don't take it as bible and also give Bethesda a little breathing room, quit jumping on them like hungry dogs and enquire reasonably about things.

All this violent and sometimes incoherant raving is not doing anyone any favours, it certainly doesn't endear the Fallout Community to Bethesda as a viable medium to bounce ideas off, now does it? Try and be constructive at least. There's critical and then there's being an ass-hat naysayer (not the previous poster but the act of being overly pessimistic and critical).
 
WEll that's what I'm saying, you can be critical without taking personal shots at people who are just trying to make a good game.

It's not like they're deliberately setting out to piss off the fan base.
 
The Nay-Sayer said:
Well I think YOU'LL be getting off lightly if you get a game you like considering the shit attitude you're copping.
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I doubt they would decide not to go with isometric and turn-based simply to spite us.

Why the fuck should they please you? You're just a whinger.
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Because we're the fans, and we're the only sure source of income they'll have. (if, of course, they make a game that'll please us)

We could do with a little less name-calling, but I'm not going to tell anybody to stop, since they're completely justified. If they refuse to listen to us because one of us hurt their feelings, then it says a lot about them, doesn't it?
 
How are you justified to call someone a name or encourage such negative feeling just because someone is making a product which they own the rights to and intend to make following their vision?

Simply they have no real reason to pay us any heed and are even less likely to do so if we're just out to bitch and flame them to death. They'll just ignore us. We're not the only sure fire source of sales, I'm pretty sure the Bethesda followers will buy the game out of brand loyalty, and Bethesda are far more inclined to listen to people who're polite (doesn't mean suckup) and offer logical criticism based around logical reasoning as opposed to someone uttering "yuo t3h suxx!!1!".

I'd really, really like Bethesda to look upon the Fallout fanbase as a RESOURCE as a means of knowledge and love over the rpg franchise. People who they can ask whether this'd be a good idea or not or even involve the Fallout community in any way. Right now that doesn't look very likely. Its not about whether there are "hurt feelings" its about whether they deem our input as having any value. Right now I wouldn't be surprised if the feeling at bethesda goes something like this "Who cares what they think? Anything we suggest short of giving development over to troika is going to please them" and they'd be half right.
 
Its not about whether there are "hurt feelings" its about whether they deem our input as having any value.
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And if they actually read threads (which hopefully somebody in PR is doing, since they have to consider the views of the Fallout community), they'd know that it does.

You should encourage cordiality instead of ordering people to do so. "Hey guys, shut the fuck up and be nice" isn't going to convince anybody.
 
Rosh, calling Rosh.

Anyway, I came here with that attitude as well and let me tell you, it sure did change. I doubt they are making the game for themselves so in that case Bradylama is right, we are their source of income. If they want their game to sell well, they should listen to us. That is not the point though. The point is it is about the game and everything that comes with it. Perhaps we feel that we are not getting listened to enough so we are just raising our voices louder and louder until we know we are being heard. I think a lot of us feel that the game is a big part of our lives. We just want to see it done right. I think we have waited long enough, don't you?
 
Bradylama said:
And if they actually read threads (which hopefully somebody in PR is doing, since they have to consider the views of the Fallout community), they'd know that it does.
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They don't have to do shit, they certainly don't have to consider the views of a bunch of rabid fans. If they have think that their own version of fallout (as opposed to a fan-view based one) will be more profitable, they have all the rights to make their own RTS or even FPS Fallout.
 
MvD said:
They don't have to do shit, they certainly don't have to consider the views of a bunch of rabid fans. If they have think that their own version of fallout (as opposed to a fan-view based one) will be more profitable, they have all the rights to make their own RTS or even FPS Fallout.
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Why thank you, Captain Obvious. Question time!!

In the event that they don't care about us, why should we care about them?

They can make a game they like but that we don't, sure. Doesn't mean we have to like it. Understand?
 
FireWolf, if we didnt have strong opinions about FO, we wouldn't be here. we care about the game. when you feel strongly about something, you tend to get angry faster. that is what you are seeing now. some write opiniated comments, other just take the easy way out and flame. stupid comments about our favorite game made by people that will probably be involved in the creation of the sequel is something we will ALWAYS react to. if we didn't, we wouldn't be good fans now would we...

i personally think beth has 2 possible ways to go to make a profit out of this:
1) listen to intelligent comments from real fans. sure enough, not all people on this forum have good ideas about the development, but some could really be helpful. we have quite a lot of people with either real knowledge of game mechanics, gameplay, setting or content. the first that springs to mind is of course Rosh, but he is only the first of many.
if beth takes their time, makes the effort to filter out all the static and keep the good comments, they could really make an epic game. indoubtably beth has the smarts and the skills to do so.
option 1: make a classic.

2) fuck the real hardcore fans. go with whatever you want yourself, dump the original fanbase and go for the big bucks. orient your game towards the console kiddies and give them what Joe Sixpack wants: boobs, drugs, sex, violence, hack&slash with gallons of blood.
it is quite possible beth could make more cash this way (at least in the initial release year).
option 2: SellOut:PieceOfShit part 2.
 
Oh no it's Gamepuke to the rescue, my point in that news thread is that these kind of things are blunders by the devs and we all know it.

If they don't have a plan, then why the fuck sake hint at what might come ? eh?!

The Fallout community is a harsh one, just like a wasteland. You need to step up to us, we're not a bunch of kids hanging around (gamespy anyone?). And we will call a tea pot a tea pot when we see it.

Still there is some truth in what you guys are saying, hence this newsbit. Telling Pete to get out the leash is just pure fun and Todd should know it, otherwise he doesn't have anything to do in this game.
 
Odin said:
The Fallout community is a harsh one, just like a wasteland. You need to step up to us, we're not a bunch of kids hanging around (gamespy anyone?). And we will call a tea pot a tea pot when we see it.
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beat me to it :(
 
Bradylama said:
Because we're the fans, and we're the only sure source of income they'll have.
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We're not the only source of income, but we're definetely the source of income that is guaranteed, provided the game is good. That's the issue right there. We're the fanbase, the core target of th Fallout games.
 
The Nay-Sayer said:
WEll that's what I'm saying, you can be critical without taking personal shots at people who are just trying to make a good game.

It's not like they're deliberately setting out to piss off the fan base.
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It's great when a spineless apologist jumps into a forum without any idea of what they are getting into. Maybe I should post that certain Flash movie again for the educational benefit of this fellow.

It is also amusing that you seem to share the opinion that fans should be happy with what they receive.

Well, sorry, ol' chap, but it's because of complete apologetic twats such as yourself that the French mentality was able to pervade into the industry with the cheer of a wet fart - enough to take down a few good companies and soil the mentality of a majority of the remainder. Much like the French influence of other media forms, they built up a very transparent forum of media hounds and to a point where most would have no spine of their own. It is also what led to a drastic downfall of QA standards.

So, if you wish to fellate Bethesda in the name of poor business, do so on their own forums so they can best appreciate it.

Your opinion here has been duly noted, printed, and wiped with.
 
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