Fallout going 3D?

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I'd hate to see that. The 2D Fallout world is so cool... it'll lose its charm, if it goes 3D. Even if it's just the characters that go 3D (this is why I dislike Baldur's Gate - I also don't like the real-time fights, but that's another thread).

What are your opinions on Fallout going 3D?

-Split
 
Not sure if you knew, but the Baldur's Gate characters are pixels (2d) not polygons (3d). I would rather Fallout be in 2d (because it would look prettier); but evolution dictates 3d will be a requirement for future games.

Skie
Even Lemmings went 3d.
 
As the computer gaming industy evolves, games will have bigger budgets and alot more work will be put in to them. The way it's progressing these days, alot of games are turning into movies (play Outcast). It is inevitable that Fallout goes 3d. Survival of the fittest. Darwin's principles apply in computer games too.. hehe

Anyway, what's so horrible about Fallout going 3d? One thing that I think was annoying about Fallout 1&2 was that when you went behind a building, it was usually a pretty big pain in the ass to navigate around them, especially if you were looking for something. With the 3d engine mentioned in some of the posts, you could rotate the camera to see where you were going, as well as zooming in and out. I think this would be good. Not bad. Gooood. I really can't understand why all you guys are so bent on sticking with 2d isometric. I just find it really limiting.

And as far as Baldur's Gate is concerned, if the only reason you dislike it is because you don't like how the characters look, then you are much too concerned with the Graphics as opposed to the content. Fallout's charm is all about the retro-futuristic post-nuclear war world. Just because it's retro-futuristic doesn't mean it has to be flat.

3D is your friend. Do not fear the 3D. Love the 3D.

-evian
 
Well, 2D would be prettier... and then, it wouldn't consume time to make a new engine, would it? I love 2D isometric... 3D doesn't fit this game AT ALL.

And the characters in Baldur's Gate sucked...

I don't really care about looks, but there's something charming about 2D...

-Split
 
>Well, 2D would be prettier... and
>then, it wouldn't consume time
>to make a new engine,
>would it?

It actually takes more time to draw all the sprites than it does to develope template models for a 3D engine.

>I love 2D
>isometric... 3D doesn't fit this
>game AT ALL.

I like it too, but I can see that 3D will really enhance the game. I'm not talking about those sharp-angled 3D games like Quake, but rather using 3D to allow the perspective to change, to allow for faster, smoother animations, for fluid effects, for better, faster lighting on a truecolor palette, etc.

>And the characters in Baldur's Gate
>sucked...

Never played BG, but I wished that in Planescape Torment, the scenery wasn't so sharp-edged. You couldn't take any visual depth-cues because everything was perfectly sharp and in-focus. It made the game look a lot less realistic, and it was slightly hard to discern foreground from background.

>I don't really care about looks,
>but there's something charming about
>2D...

I wish that Nintendo made more of those old 2D RPG games, they were pretty entertaining.

I also like the old-look of games. Everything is hardware accelerated and 3D, and I ESPECIALLY HATE having everything in focus at once. For once I'd like to see a game that implements realistic bluring and focus effects.

-Xotor-

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[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-00 AT 04:17AM (GMT)[p]Try Outcast. It has this feature which allows for camera effects (blurring things that you arent looking at, realistic lens flare, all sorts of cool stuff). The texture resolution on the game isnt top-notch, plus it uses an unconventional voxel engine, but it's still a very cool game, and I highly recommend it.

And I liked Torment.

-evian
 
>Well I am not sure if
>you guys have been paying
>much attention to the 3d
>scene but 3d is far
>from ugly, just check out
>some of these shots.
>
>I would be more then happy
>to have the next fallout
>use this engin.

I *have* been paying attention to the 3D scene and quite frankly the graphics operate exactly the same as they always have: super crisp edges, textures that blur up when you get close to them, lighting effects on the walls, BIG DEAL, seen it, and moved on. Hell, there really isn't much difference between that sidescene engine and the Quake II engine. What? maybe a few more lighting effect? Non-dynamic fog?

I have yet to see any engine that is actually *special*, as in it actually mimics reality more than pretty lighting. Notice all those crisp angles? Notice the lack of a penumbra on the main character's shadow? Yes, it is better than Quake II, but no, it isn't realistic. Take a look at the guy's reflection in the game, where is the bluring? The guy is perfectly clear, what happened the atmospheric fog? These things give away the game.

OpenGL lighting was pretty cool back in the Quake II days, even now it looks nice, but for once I'd like to see an engine really put itself to the limits, to give a dazzling display of realistic effects. I just don't see it now.

-Xotor-

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Baldur's Gate characters ARE 3D, AFAIK.

"It actually takes more time to draw all the sprites than it does to develope template models for a 3D engine."
-- Those models would have to be skinned, too. And a 3D engine takes AGES to develop, too.

Hell, I would be happy if they just did what they did with Fallout 2; keep the Fallout 1 sprites, draw a couple of new ones, do a shitload of new towns, and add something new.

I wish Fallout games would continue being developed that way.

-Split
 
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-00 AT 06:56PM (GMT)[p]Actually, it doesn't take that long to make those sprites if you pre-render them. You only have to do five directions, the other three can be "mirrored".

I will have to agree that 2D looks much nicer. 3D has it's place, but I really don't think an RPG is that place.
 
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By the time they develop Fallout 3, the 3d engine technologies will be greatly improved, as in much better than the screenshots shown by me and zack.

BTW, in-game image quality is MUCH better than screenshots taken.

BTW again, DOES ANYONE IN HERE PLAY SOMETHING BESIDES RPG's???

BTW once again, i just posted the pics becuz they kickass!
 
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>Actually, it doesn't take that long
>to make those sprites if
>you pre-render them. You only
>have to do five directions,
>the other three can be
>"mirrored".
>
>I will have to agree that
>2D looks much nicer. 3D
>has it's place, but I
>really don't think an RPG
>is that place.

I don't know, Vampire was pretty swank.

-Zack
 
Anyone here played Monkey Island? They're gonna abuse that with their 3D too. I've seen the screenshots of MI4 and it completely lacks personality and charm like the previous games had. In my opp MI3 was the peak of its series and stands as the best adventure game ever made - in the computer gaming history. I hope they are gonna have mouse steering, and recover from that fatal blow Grim Fandango imposed to the standard of adventure games.

Just my 5 cents
 
I agree, MI4 will kill the series. Goddamned sad, really.

Anyway, going 3D will ruin this game. It'll lose its charm, for the sake of pretty graphics. Noticed how many CRAP games there are being spewed out since everything turned 3D? Pretty much every single game. There are a few exceptions, but that's ONE game a year, AT MOST.

DOWN WITH 3D!

-Split
 
grrrrrrr...

Excuse me, purist rpg fanatics, but 3d is a GOOD thing.

From the beginning of computer games to this point in time, the computer games industry have improved in terms of the products it "spews out". I read this in >>PC Gamer<<, and i think it was that computer games are rising in popularity( Why would they be crap then? ).

Hell some games aren't good, but i doubt that most are crappy to the pits of hell. How many people own Diablo 2, raise your hands. You'll probably bitch to me about how it isn't an rpg, how there's no storyline, and yadayadayada. It's sold on par with Harry Potter books god damnit! It's been given rave reviews and the game is damn addicting.

Oops, went off subject. Right now i'm going through reviews of 3d games which have gotten higher than/or 85%...

Icewind Dale - "great game for those who loved hack&slash"

Warlords battlecry - "Expect this one to take up a hunk of your hard drive..."

Enemy Engaged - "The best combat helo sim on the market, bar none."

Well there's more i can think of, but this is for the games that went out for A MONTH.

Half-life,Quake 3, Rainbow Six expansions and a whole lot more are some to think about.

Complain to me that you don't like these games because they're not ur genre, but do not insult the technology and ease of 3d.

P.S. and 3d will ruin MI?
 
When to not say anything at all...

I own Diablo 2.. And no, it's not an RPG. It's more like a really advanced version of Gauntlet.

Also, I hate to burst your bubble, but Diablo 2, Icewind Dale, and Warlords Battlecry are all 2D isometric games.

I've never heard of Enemy Engaged, but seeing as how you mistook the rendering of your first three games as 3D...

Half-Life, Rainbow Six, and Quake 3 are all FPS shooters also. That kind of forces them to be 3D. It's a *requirement* for the genre.
 
RE: grrrrrrr...

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Sep-15-00 AT 02:01PM (GMT)[p]Hey, sales don't account for quality! There are alot of blind/stupid people out there you know.

BTW, just go to lucasarts.com and look at the MI4 screenshots. Do they look particularly engrossing or detailed to you? Do the characters have good facial expressions? Do the characters have facial expressions at all? Yes, colored lighting and all bullshit, but that doesn't matter much in an adventure game, IMO. That just makes the game damn big and takes up space that could be used for dialogue. Just look at Grim Fandango, not half the number of lines that MI3 had.
 
Not really....

First of all, I'm not really arguing to your message as I am to Split Soul's.

2nd,I really didn't mean for 3d to be connected to Diablo 2, if you read more carefully.... "Oops, went off subject". Sorry if my writing skillz aren't good :/

And elaborating on the first statement. SPlit Soul did say that... "Noticed how many CRAP games there are being spewed out since everything turned 3D? Pretty much every single game. There are a few exceptions, but that's ONE game a year, AT MOST."

When I think back at that, I'm assuming he meant Adventure games?

In either case, if he meant any game, my message is the argument to that.

About the 3d thing with the games. You are right about Warlords Battlecry, I just guessed on that, but what I meant for Icewind Dale is that it uses 3d sprites.

Also about Monkey Island, since I never really played it and don't know about it and you'll win on that one.
 
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