Fallout going 3D?

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I think you're being a bit too picky about this. If you take a look at 2D games even now, they still aren't photo-realistic, and rendered games have been around *a lot* longer then 3D games. The closest we've come were those cinematic adventure games that were popular a few years ago, and even those were full of blurry textures and less-than-perfect environments.

Besides, since when has gaming been all about ultra-realism and graphics? It seems to me that gameplay is far more important than graphics, and a 3D engine allows for more gameplay features than 2D engines. Let's face it, no matter how fond you are of rendered games, their time has come and gone. Instead of being so picky, try and look on the bright side of things. Even if that bright side is full of god-awful colored lighting curtesy of the Unreal Engine.
 
RE: Well

>Besides, since when has gaming been
>all about ultra-realism and graphics?

Why do you think people buy expensive video cards? So their game looks better. Hell, I read a complain by John Carmack that he wants the new standard in color to be raised from 32-bit (16 million colors) to something like 48 or 64-bit color. People WANT realism.

> It seems to me
>that gameplay is far more
>important than graphics, and a
>3D engine allows for more
>gameplay features than 2D engines.

And since *when* did I specify that I would prefer a 2D engine over a 3D one?

> Let's face it, no
>matter how fond you are
>of rendered games, their time
>has come and gone.

No shit.

>Instead of being so picky,
>try and look on the
>bright side of things.
>Even if that bright side
>is full of god-awful colored
>lighting curtesy of the Unreal
>Engine.

I'm picky because there haven't been any real innovations in the 3D graphics arena. All the effects that exist in today's modern games can pretty much be duplicated with the Quake II engine with exception to Quake III's curved surfaces. Soon 3D cards will support motion blurring and other such effects, so my complaint is not unjustified.

-Xotor-

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RE: Not really....

Prerendered sprites are *not* 3D. Diablo 2 uses prerendered sprites as well. They're still 2D. That's kind of like using real world pictures for sprites and calling it "live action".

Also, if you're saying you're listing those games to argue with Split Soul.. Well, it seems kind of odd to me that you're arguing the merits of 3D games not being crap by listing a bunch of really good 2D games and one or two actual 3D games.
 
RE: Not really....

Thank you for telling me that they're 2d games for the 2nd time.

Sorry, but I don't want to waste time researching every good 3d game released this quarter, because its obvious enough that more than 10 games that were released last year, or maybe this year, are not crap.

And yes Diablo 2 and those other ones aren't really 3d. So we're clear that Enemy Engaged,Half-life,Quake 3, and Rainbow Six are? There's also Star Trek:Elite Force btw. That's more than 1 game. Argue to that.
 
Also

The Sims, Summoner (it's looking good), Homeward, Homeworld: Cataclysm, Grand Prix 3, Madden NFL 2001, Enemy Engaged: Comanche vs Hokum, Darkstone, Descent 3, Dungeon Keeper 2, Driver, Flight Unlimited 3. Yes, I went to a PC games site and checked through all of the reviews for games that scored well, but this only serves to prove that there are fun (at least by someone's standards) 3D Games aplenty. Anyone who tries to claim otherwise in the face of this evidence severly lacks credibility, IMO.
 
RE: Also

Homeworld: Cataclysm isn't very good. That unit cap is obnoxious in it.

Summoner.. Any RPG where you start off pre-named isn't a good sign. You are Jacob.. You'll always be Jacob.. You'll never be anything but Jacob. I'd rather be who I want to be.

Darkstone.. Well.. I'm wondering why it scored well. I liked Revenant more than it. However, this game is well over a year old.

Madden Football, I'll have to agree with. There's nothing like Madden Football for arm chair coaching. ;)

Dungeon Keeper 2.. It was pretty good, but it's also over a year old. Truthfully, most DK fans considering the original better than DK2, simply because it was more robust. Also, it was kind of funny catching an imp on a smoke break.. EVIL! ;)

Descent 3 rocked. Shame it didn't sell well, and they aren't making another one. :(
 
RE: Also

The point is none of it is crap basically. One argument written wrong by me becomes 5-6 replies... damn.

You want a good game play http://www.counter-strike.net

Yes i know its an add-on, but they're releasing a package of famous Half-life mods that will be stand alone versions.

Thank you for replying to me Doyle. Me, Adv0cate_6, aka "the wit" was it? It wasn't dimwit, so i can't remember any other word.
 
3d or not 3d...

>Homeworld: Cataclysm isn't very good. That
>unit cap is obnoxious in
>it.

Maybe, but that has nothing to do with the fact it's 3d. Fact is that 3d in RTS games added a lot to the genre.

>Summoner.. Any RPG where you start
>off pre-named isn't a good
>sign. You are Jacob.. You'll
>always be Jacob.. You'll never
>be anything but Jacob. I'd
>rather be who I want
>to be.

I've never heard of Summoner, but I wouldn't say that even if the game decides who you play. Take Planescape: Torment for example. You start as the Nameless one and you'll always be the Nameless One. That doesn't limit the gameplay in any way as you can still choose your base stats and decide for yourself how you want to play the game. You can even switch classes if you want. Having said that, even if Summoner is a linear game that has virtually no replay value, that still has nothing to do with it being 3d or not. It has to do with a development team making an adventure and slapping the label 'RPG' on it.

>Darkstone.. Well.. I'm wondering why it
>scored well. I liked Revenant
>more than it. However, this
>game is well over a
>year old.

It scored well because it looks good and it's highly replayable because of all the downloadable quests and mods on the net.

>Madden Football, I'll have to agree
>with. There's nothing like Madden
>Football for arm chair coaching.
>;)

No comment. I know nothing about football or this game :-)

>Dungeon Keeper 2.. It was pretty
>good, but it's also over
>a year old. Truthfully, most
>DK fans considering the original
>better than DK2, simply because
>it was more robust. Also,
>it was kind of funny
>catching an imp on a
>smoke break.. EVIL! ;)

I haven't seen DK2 yet. However I did just buy the original in the EA classics series. It's a fun game.

>Descent 3 rocked. Shame it didn't
>sell well, and they aren't
>making another one. :(

I preferred freespace myself :-)

"What could be better then a swan dive into the asphalt?"
 
RE: 3d or not 3d...

Actually, the original guy said that most 3D games that come out are just crap, and I have to agree with that.

They use flashy graphics to hide the fact there's little to no real gameplay in the game and sell it based on screenshots.
 
RE: 3d or not 3d...

>Actually, the original guy said that
>most 3D games that come
>out are just crap, and
>I have to agree with
>that.

Well I didn't say I don't agree with that. But the fact those games are crap isn't always because they are 3d. Let's face it, with the amount of games coming out and the high standards gamers keep plus the fact that game studios are being pushed around by their distributors to produce a game before a certain deadline, which sometimes causes games to be so buggy that they're virtually unplayable, means that some games are bound to be sucky.

>They use flashy graphics to hide
>the fact there's little to
>no real gameplay in the
>game and sell it based
>on screenshots.

I won't deny that this is happening. But more game development studios are starting to figure out that just pretty graphics can't save a game. I predict (don't hold me on this though) a quality improvement in 3d games that will come out in the next years. And I don't just mean graphics wise.

"What could be better then a swan dive into the asphalt?"
 
RE: 3d or not 3d...

Oh, back to Summoner, not only do you start out as someone who if predefined, there's going to be a PSX and Dreamcast version. I think we can conclude that Summoner won't be anything nearly as good as Fallout or even Planescape: Torment.

I agree that the way the software industry does it's business leads to buggy titles, but I'm not refering to buggy games. I'm talking about just plain poor titles due to poor design work. I think Star Trek: New Worlds is a prime example of this.
 
There is really more good than bad about Fallout going 3D. A fully rotatable and zoomable map is a good improvement. 3D characters will be able to show area specific damage and have more fluid animation. The game will run better because 3D characters don't have to be drawn in 30 different sequences so they can take a step or search a bookcase. I don't know if Black Isle made this clear enough but whenever Fallout 3 becomes a reality, it will NOT be a 1st person shooter. Just because a game goes 3D doesn't mean it will have to licence the Quake 3 engine. Once some screenshots and maybe a demo are released you will see what I am talking about. About losing its charm... I think Black Isle realizes that one of its main concerns is to keep the charm and feeling that made Fallout 1 and 2 so classic. If they can keep the same feeling and charm, and upgrade the technology at the same time, then why not have the best of both worlds?
 
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