Fallout not influential

Odin

Odin

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1Up posted an article on the 50 most important games made and they managed not to put Fallout in that list, in their afterword they claim the following:<blockquote>Still, we realize we've overlooked many games.....
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(Other games to suffer this dire fate include The Legend of Zelda in favor of its more recent successor, Ocarina of Time, and Fallout, which we love more than Ultima Online but humbly accept hasn't been as influential.)</blockquote>Not influential ?? What?
Link: The 50 most important games made@1Up, Afterword
 
Well it hasn't really been influential on other games so far, which I think is what they were talking about. Not too many Fallout clones around.

Much too late edit: "hasn't been influential on many other games so far"
 
Shadowbird said:
1Up said:
Fallout, (..) hasn't been (..) influential.
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Haha, dude - don't quote articles like that. You could make them say whatever you want that way.

I know you didn't "cheat" with that quote, but still - it looks stupid.

I mean:

American Declaration of Independence said:
We stand firm in our belief that every man (...) has an inalienable right to (...) cruel and unusual punishment.
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*SQUAWK*
 
Montez said:
Well it hasn't really been influential on other games so far, which I think is what they were talking about. Not too many Fallout clones around.
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A game that threw life back into the RPG scene is not influential ? One could argue that Fallout paved the way for BG, NWN etc. The RPG scene was almost dead around the time it came out, the only other game was Diablo (which we all know isn't an RPG).
 
Jebus said:
I know you didn't "cheat" with that quote
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That is the only reason I quoted it like that - because the original was right there next to it.

I mean, if the full version of your ADOI quote was right next to it, it wouldn't be misquoting, it would be fun IMO.
 
I can see where they are coming from. Still given the first interviews by the makers of STALKER, the slight improvements on KOTORII, the release of games like The Fall and the new set of post apoc games one could say that the Fallout games are influencing other games now more than ever, even if it is indirectly.
 
My initial reaction was to go with Montez' argument, but on the other hand, I've seen people argue that Fallout's isometric view wasn't inherent to RPG design philsosophy but particular to Fallout (hence not necessary for a good RPG, especially Fallout 3, no matter how little sense that makes).
Based on this, one could argue that the flow of popular isometric point&click RPGs such as Baldur's Gate is a result of Fallout's influence.

But don't nail me down on it, I ain't paying enough attention to the industry to qualify that opinion.
 
Odin said:
A game that threw life back into the RPG scene is not influential ? One could argue that Fallout paved the way for BG, NWN etc. The RPG scene was almost dead around the time it came out, the only other game was Diablo (which we all know isn't an RPG).
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Note Diablo also failed to make the list or the afterword. Or Warcraft for that matter, despite Warcraft bringing the RTS genre into the mainstream.
 
Hmm, no offense Odin old boy but my understanding was that BG was credited with revitalising the crpg genre.

Although FO did indirectly spawn SS' the Fall and directly spawn Troika's (ill-fated) PA title.
 
Josan said:
Hmm, no offense Odin old boy but my understanding was that BG was credited with revitalising the crpg genre.
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No actually Fallout started it all, before Fallout there weren't many successful RPG titles around. RPGs were pretty much dead and then came Fallout and changed that, after Fallout came of course Baldurs Gate and it was a fact again..RPGs were again here to stay.

I'm not disputing the fact that BG sold more then Fallout, but Fallout was the first RPG to have success after a long period of nothing..
 
Ah, but then we have to measure "critical" success vs "commercial" success. Critical success often suffers the fate of relative obscurity and "rabid" fans where as the commercial successes target the lowest common denominator. Sadly, targeting the lowest common denominator usually gets noticed as more influential. Planescape wasn't on their and to me, that game set a bar for story telling ina crpg, BG wasn't on their either.

Pokemon was. Pokemon should prove my point about the "lowest common denominator".

For the record, I loathe BG and BG2. I've played BG 1 through (after getting very bored the first time) and FO & FO2 at least 1/2 a dozen times each and think that FO should have been more than "honourable" mention on that list.
 
At the time Fallout was both a commercial success and critical success, so hence my statement that it blew life into a dying breed of computer games.
 
I don't quite see your argument contradict Odin's, Josan.
Even though Baldur's Gate was a greater commercial success, critics ought to aknowledge what you call "critical" success.
Sharing the (flawed) perception of amateurs seems to disqualify their opinion. If they can't do better than that, maybe they should stick to playing games, not writing articles about them.
 
And do you have the sales figures to back that up. I seem to recall reading that it wasn't an instant success commercially.
 
Oh, and a postsciptum that makes an extra post only because it seems a bit late for an edit:
The article seems to contradict your reasioning by choosing Herzog Zwei over Dune 2 which as far as I know is far more well known and was a far greater commercial success.
 
The majority of the games on there are aimed at the masses, not the niche markets.

Of course, there are exceptions to every rule but they are exceptions.
 
Josan said:
And do you have the sales figures to back that up. I seem to recall reading that it wasn't an instant success commercially.
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*rumbling though fallout stuff*
Off course not, there weren't much sales figures released AFAIK at that time, 96/97 wasn't a year were the internet was what it is now.

Commercial success or not, it's still doesn't refute the fact that Fallout turned around the RPG scene, which was dying.
 
I agree with you for the most part. I'm simply stating that what influences niche markets isn't "influential" to the masses and that's why it's not on the list.

Seriously, if you're over 14... what's influential about Pokemon?
 
Josan said:
I agree with you for the most part. I'm simply stating that what influences niche markets isn't "influential" to the masses and that's why it's not on the list
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I got that hint, still a niche game that set a new standard for a gaming genre...one would assume that was an influential game.

Good rumble indeed :D
 
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