Fallout Superbomber

APTYP said:
Then tell me you little fuck why does Tim Cain think the war was waged with airbombs, not missiles?

Ease up on the flamebait.

Here's a discussion on the evolution of ICBMs vs bombers and cruise missiles to think about. ICBMs were being developed in the late 1950s, so they are consistent with the Fallout time period.

http://fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/icbm/early.htm

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Just thought i would post a little info on the missiles available to the US in the 50's:

The First Atlas ICBM squadron was accepted by the 576th Strategic Missile Wing at Vandenberg AFB, on Sept. 1, 1959. The next three Atlas squadrons were scheduled to become operational at Warren and Offutt AFBs between March and November, 1960.

Thor - SAC activated the new The 392nd Strategic Missile Wing at Vandenberg on 15 Sept. 1957. By end of the year, three squadrons of Thor IRBMs were operational. SAC activated the 705th Strategic Missile Wing at Lakenheath RAF Station on February 20, 1958.

So these misslies were available by the end of the 50's and were in development by the late 40's to the early 50's.


Cheers Thorgrimm
 
APTYP said:
Then tell me you little fuck why does Tim Cain think the war was waged with airbombs, not missiles?
What crawled up your ass? The Fallout bible doesn't address this issue (I don't think) But, as these fine people have pointed out, ICBM's did exist in the 1950's, so it could have very well been ICBM's
 
Then tell me you little fuck why does Tim Cain think the war was waged with airbombs, not missiles?
 
@APTYP, most of the war would be with bombers, but some of the more remote areas like S.E. Asia and Africa would most likely have taken icbms to stay within the 2 hour timeframe.

Cheers Thorgrimm
 
I don't think the 2 hours was an exact time, there wouldn't be someone with a stopwatch timing it!
 
@Big_T_UK, correct me if i am wrong didn't the narrator in the opening of Fallout say that the "world was reduced to cinders in less than 2 hours"? If he did then the remote areas would take icbms to remain in the 2 hour time limit.


Cheers Thorgrimm
 
You're not wrong, but it's narration, not an exact breakdown of the events.

Also, when does the 2 hour stopwatch START?
Is it from the time the Button is pressed (so to speak) or from the first explosion?
 
I would say that the stopwatch would have started from the launching of the bombers, or when the first bombs started to fall. Both of those starts would require the remote areas to get icbms as the first to reach China would be the bomb wings in Okinawa, Phillipines, and Guam.


Cheers Thorgrimm
 
Maybe the 2 hours he mentions is the time between the first strike and last strike?
(IE: Someone launches the first of the nukes, two hours later, the last of the nukes goes off)
 
That's what I think. That 2 hours is not a flight time, it's the time from the time first bombs fell to the time when they stopped falling.
 
As the icbms of the 50's were very inacurate the US would rely on bombers as the main strike platform, as the accuracy of icbms only went up above bombers with the invention of transistors and printed circuits. In Fallout the invention of the transistor did not occur as in our world so no accurate icbms, hence the bomber would be relied on as the accurate way to deliver bombs on target.

Cheers Thorgrimm
 
That is why i stated that if the time started when the first nuke hit it would still take icbms to hit the remote areas of the planet. The first bombs fall on China in about 1 hour upon launching from Okinawa, so 2hours from that the world is in cinders, look at the deployment scheme i listed in an earlier post and you will see it would take a few icbms to hit remote areas, but the majority would be bombed by bombers.


Cheers Thorgrimm
 
How am I supposed to know what Tim Cain thinks? Do all the people who worked on Fallout share his opinion?
 
I could slug a few people here right now.

Let me point out to people that Fallout is generally what a sci-fi author of that time would have written about. Since more of the reading audience would have been familiar (especially those in Britain, even through passed down stories and a lot of reels about the subject) with bombs dropping and the fright it prompted into the general populace, more authors would saved the rockets for space exploration and used more conventional methods for depicting how the world is going to hell, as they need some basis the public is aware of without using media whore material. Hey, bombers weren't thought of much a threat because the US was getting a bit more air superiority vs. bombers then, and it would have brought back feelings of Pearl Harbor. So therefore the idea of bombers carpet bombing a country again, of this size, would seem a bit ludicrous when given the alternatives.

They didn't want to constantly remind people that missiles were capable of taking out their neighborhood from a few minutes away. That was a bad thing to really fictionalize with at that time among some audiences, left for later times after the CMC sort of cooled down (relatively speaking). More of the nuke ICBM scare stuff was done in more conventional comic pulps, mainly to whore out their characters (many did this entirely too shamelessly). Many authors stayed away from this topic mainly out of good taste to their audience. They already were saturated enough of that, they didn't need any more of it. Some were gross media whores, but others had a bit of respect for their audience and material.

The style of Fallout was in the tone of the darker comics of that time, not the flashy Fantastic Four style, as can be seen by some of the loading screens and styles of some in-game books, and of course the darker nature of the game. The darker ones of a sci-fi nature, tended to go for harshness (people often died), but they were also starting to appeal to more people as a genre (after all, the 60's are a time when Star Trek was aired and was leaning against the cigar rockets with a modified saucer design). I'll have to dig some of those out of storage and see if I can scan in the covers.

Anyways, there's a whole mix of things involved with the setting, but apparently missiles weren't part of the equasion, because of a main aspect of the setting that also makes me laugh about the orbital station location for Fo3. To get there would involve fuel, and considering that they didn't have fusion-powered rockets to deliver missiles in surprise (each with a Stealth-Boy attached to it), I wouldn't put much faith for someone in the post-apocalyptic world to find a working rocket to go spacewalking, much less their...descent.
 
Roshambo wrote

apparently missiles weren't part of the equasion, because of a main aspect of the setting that also makes me laugh about the orbital station location for Fo3. To get there would involve fuel, and considering that they didn't have fusion-powered rockets to deliver missiles in surprise (each with a Stealth-Boy attached to it), I wouldn't put much faith for someone in the post-apocalyptic world to find a working rocket to go spacewalking, much less their...descent.

Roshambo i totally agree with you about the rocket crap of Fallout 3. This thread was for my trying to get a discussion together about what the Fallout Superbomber would look like as i think 95% of the war was fought with bombers, as i had stated earlier that missiles are shitty for hitting anything at long ranges without advanced electronics. So the bomber would have remained the weapon of choice. If you look at my P.O.D. thread Missiles would have been discouraged as "UnAmerican" since they had a lot of nazis working on the project.

Cheers Thorgrimm
 
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