FOT - Projectile sprites

[Wild_qwerty]

Where abouts are the image for the projectiles stored in FOT?

 

[PsychoSniper]

Yay, youre fianly getting to this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Wild_qwerty]

Yea, I keep forgeting to do them, but I have FOT reinstalled at home now, so I dont have an excuse, that and I dont have much to do right now on MR (just have to tidy up those last couple ofcritters)

Is it possible to set the projectile speed for the proto in the mapper? So we could then have slower moving projectiles or maybe really fast lasers?

 

[Big T]

Make him pay you dearly for them Qwerty. Remember - he is the competition!


Bloody Gauss animations.

 

[PsychoSniper]

What ? They were the high point of Craptics for me.


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And what could he make me pay with ? He's the one that taught me what I know bout FRMs and he has acces to completed new FRMs, which I dont (unless you count a single test FRM weve had so far, to test converting 3D images into FRM frames.)

 

[dude_obj]

Is it possible to set the projectile speed for the proto in the mapper? So we could then have slower moving projectiles or maybe really fast lasers?

If you go to the misc section and open one up, you see that there is NO settings for projectiles! The only setting is selecting the animation file. I've been plowing through all objects in the game, reordering them in the mapper, and most can be moved around but some cannot. For example, the "active items" (dynamite, plastic explosive, flare, motion detector, stealth boy) must have hardcoded PIDs in the engine, because if I change their PID numbers they no longer work. It seems that books are hardcoded too, but I just figured out (with Corpse's help) how to make them work via script (and I have 15 slots for new custom books set up).

But back to the question, on projectiles, I'm pretty sure this is another special case where things are hardcoded in the engine. The only info I know so far are the FIDs (file IDs) from itempid.h.



#define PID_FLYING_ROCKET (83886081)
#define PID_FLYING_PLASMA_BALL(83886082)
#define PID_FLYING_KNIFE (83886086)
#define PID_FLYING_SPEAR (83886087)
#define PID_FLYING_LASER_BLAST (83886089)
#define PID_FLYING_PLASMA_BLAST (83886090)
#define PID_FLYING_ELECTRICITY_BOLT (83886091)

Its interesting how things work in the engine. Files are basically just placed down in whatever order, and these FIDs are assigned based on where they land. It doesn't seem to matter what order they are in, except for some special cases where game engine code apparently references those FIDs directly. If you look at critters for example, they start with the FID number 16777217, which is hexadecial 1000001, and also 2 to the power of 24, or in geekspeak they start at the 25th bit address. I proved that I can make a new critters.lst and change everything around, and the 1st critter will always be 16777217, the rest in ascending addresses from there.

For projectile animations, I don't see a misc.lst equivalent of the critters.lst or items.lst. However, I am pretty sure if you drop a new animation in \art\misc, in the mapper it will show up when you toggle the projectile PID (while editing a weapon PID). It may not work until one of the existing protos are cloned. The cloned proto will have to be edited with a hex editor, changing its ID number and the FID (in hex) that points to the new animation file. I know because I'm almost done editing all of the item protos, and I did all the critters.

If you get me a projectile animation, I will have a go at trying to make it work. Hopefully the handling of projectiles isn't strictly hard-coded like the active items. If it is, we may be SOL for adding new animations. However, I could probably find out fairly quickly. If we're lucky, projectile associations are dynamically assigned. As for speed, I doubt in can be changed unless someone has info on what exactly is in the misc protos. Speed may be one of the settings, but does anyone know the specs on misc? Lots is known about critters and items, not much about the other stuff (I think) ...

 

[PsychoSniper]

Sounds like someone needs to hack the Craptics program and ream it for some sprites...............

 

[requiem_for_a_starfury]

If you've unpacked the sprites from the BOS file then most of them are in,

core\sprites\impactfx

The grenade, spear and other thrown animations are in

core\sprites\weapons\grenade anims
core\sprites\weapons\thrown anims
core\sprites\weapons\spear anims

IIRC they're all in spr-sprites_0.BOS.

 

[Wild_qwerty]

Thanks, I've unpacked them now and jsut need to conver them into FRMs now. The problem is that for some strange FOT reason there are 32 orientation for each projectile (FO2 only has 6) so I need to decide what 26 orientation to delete. I should be able to upload a new 'misc' art pack in a few hours

dude_obj, Do you want me to email them directly to you?

 

[PsychoSniper]

All of them work execpt for the Gauss and the 2 flamer ones, theyre corrupted and Qwert has to redo em.

That sucks, too.


On a lighter note the noncorrupted ones are sweet.

 

[dude_obj]

dude_obj, Do you want me to email them directly to you?

Sure, you can send them here.

 

[PsychoSniper]

As an update, as of when he signed off MSN to go to bed, Qwerty had completed all of the gun projectiles plus the roach spit projectile.

And I manged to get one in fixing the plasma projectile that Qwert did, since the plasma balls white core was transparent for some reson, and redrew its core white. 99% of the credit for mine still goes to Qwert.

 

[Wild_qwerty]

I've got the following done:

1) The following projectiles have been converted from FOT

Rocket
Flame
Guass
Laser
Plasma
Electric
Roach Spit
Boomerang
Chakram
Dart
Molotov Cocktail
Phantasm Ball
Powder Bag
Rock
Throwing Knife
Throwing Star

2) This is a list of the Frame Per Second for the projectiles in the misc section of the mapper, this may effect the movement rate, but I'm not sure.

This is a list of the Frames Per Second for each projectile

***PROJECTILES***
ELECT = 10
FTHRO = 10
GRNDTRO = 10
KNIFE = 29
LAZRPIS = 10
MOLOTOV = 10
PBALL2 = 10
PLAZPIS = 10
plntspik = 10
PLZMRIF = 10
ROBTROCK = 10
ROCKET = 10
ROCKTHRO = 0
SPEAR = 0

***EXPLOSIONS***
EMPXPLD = 0
EXP = 8
EXPA = 0
EXPB = 0
EXPLODEB = 0
EXPLODEG = 0
EXPP = 0
kpow1 = 10
ROKTXPD = 0

***SOMETHING***
PLASMAB = 10
RESERVED = 10
RSCORPBL = 10
SCRBLK = 10
TRNBLK = 1

 

[PsychoSniper]

Allredy got that list :p


Im going to, when I have time soon, take some of the various projectile FRMs and reskin them in differnt colors (such as make the EMP projectile purple, to match the pulse pistol projectile from FO2)

 

[Wild_qwerty]

I have also converted all the various projectiles for the thrown weapons as well now. I have also fixed the transparency issuses in the conversion. I had Spr2Gif configured incorrectly.