Freezes on main menu

Discussion in 'Fallout 3 and New Vegas Modding' started by Black Angel, Nov 5, 2020.

  1. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    I need some help with my modded game. The main menu is loaded, or at least it tried to load, and then it just freeze. It happens right after I installed Viva New Vegas's Gameplay module, whereas before it was just fine and loaded normally. Even played through it and it was fine, too. Here's my load order:

    # This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
    FalloutNV.esm
    DeadMoney.esm
    HonestHearts.esm
    OldWorldBlues.esm
    LonesomeRoad.esm
    GunRunnersArsenal.esm
    ClassicPack.esm
    TribalPack.esm
    MercenaryPack.esm
    CaravanPack.esm
    Navmesh Fixes and Improvements.esm
    YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm
    Landscape_Seam_Fix.esm
    Uncut Road to Legate's Camp.esm
    Ambient Temperature.esm
    JIP Selective-Fire.esm
    oHUD.esm
    BraveNewWorld.esm
    New Vegas Redesigned II.esm
    PHWHPAPVisuals.esm
    Cyberware.esm
    YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp
    Unofficial Patch Plus.esp
    Unofficial Patch Plus - Addendum.esp
    WMIMNV.esp
    WMIM Addendum.esp
    Armor Replacer Child NPC Fix.esp
    FIXforLegionArmors.esp
    The Mod Configuration Menu.esp
    JIP Improved Recipe Menu.esp
    FPSWeaponWheel.esp
    JIP Realistic Weapon Overheating.esp
    KeyBoy Hotkeys.esp
    The Weapon Mod Menu.esp
    FlashlightNVSE.esp
    Character Creation Streamlined.esp
    Simple DLC Delay.esp
    Vanilla UI Plus.esp
    CPI Icons.esp
    Enslave Gannon fix.esp
    Melee Reach Revised.esp
    Psycho and Slasher Bonus Damage Fix.esp
    DisableMuzzleFlashLights.esp
    Motion Sickness Reduction Mod.esp
    Tutorial Killer.esp
    NoTrapsPopup.esp
    FOVSlider.esp
    Game Tweaks..esp
    Core - YUP - WMIM Patch.esp
    Vurt's WFO.esp
    EnhancedGrass_NoVL.esp
    A Wasteland in Bloom.esp
    STDG.esp
    Book of Steel.esp
    Weapon Retexture Project.esp
    YUP - WRP Patch.esp
    dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp
    Little More Lamplight.esp
    Burning Campfire.esp
    BC2.esp
    Bathroom Doors Fix.esp
    CIB Bighorners - HH.esp
    CIB Bighorners.esp
    Alsatian NCR Guard Dogs.esp
    NVAnimatedTerninalScreenSaver.esp
    OWB-Path Lights.esp
    JSawyer Ultimate.esp
    JSUE Addendum.esp
    Economy Overhaul.esp
    Economy Overhaul Addendum.esp
    Mojave Arsenal.esp
    Mojave Wildlife (Vanilla-Style + No Chanced).esp
    Mojave Raiders.esp
    Mojave Raiders Addendum.esp
    JSawyer Ultimate - Mojave Arsenal Patch.esp
    JSawyer Ultimate - Mojave Raiders Patch.esp
    Follower Tweaks.esp
    Changed Vendor Flags.esp
    BLEEDNV.esp
    BLEED Addendum.esp
    Unfound Loot.esp
    NPCsSprint.esp
    Real Recoil.esp
    Yukichigai Gameplay Tweaks.esp
    JIP Companions Command & Control.esp
    VNV Follower Tweaks.esp
    Quickthrow.esp
    JustModsAssorted.esp
    Qolore Gameplay Tweaks.esp
    GRA Scavenger Hunt Unbalanced.esp
    BetterNCRSupplyCache.esp
    Honest Hearts Workbench Crate Luck.esp
    Toxic Cloud Fix.esp
    SGO - CCS Compatible.esp
    VWBarterRepairCosts.esp
    VWPerceptionRangedAccuracy.esp
    Stat Choices.esp
    NPC Use Aid.esp
    Helmet Overlay.esp
    Enhanced Vision.esp
    Immersive Minigames.esp
    Immersive Primary Needs.esp
    Universal Item Sorter.esp
    Cyberware OWB.esp
    Cyberware-Quickthrow Patch.esp
    Gameplay - JSUE - WRP Patch.esp
    Gameplay - JSUE - YGT Patch.esp
    Gameplay - WMIM - JSUE Patch.esp
    Gameplay - YUP - BLEED Patch.esp
    FNVLODGen.esp
    tmzLODadditions.esp
    outsidebets.esp
    Uncut Extra Collection.esp
    CutMerged.esp
    No more giant manhole covers.esp
    Laurens_Bathroom_poetry.esp
    BraveNewWorld-ArmorReplacerChildNPCFix.esp
    BraveNewWorld-YUP.esp
    BraveNewWorld-OutsideBets.esp
    BraveNewWorld-UncutExtraCollection.esp
    NVR- Lore version.esp
    Voice dissonance fix.esp
    RaestlozFactionArmorEnhancement.esp
    All Weapon Sounds Overhaul .esp
    Explosive Sounds Overhaul.esp
    Combat Music.esp
    ImmersivePickupSoundsFNV.esp
    Clarity - Dark Nights.esp
    Bashed Patch, 0.esp

    Something to note:
    1. I replaced VNV's Character Expansion Revised mods with a combination of Brave New World + New Vegas Redesigned 2 (since the author successfully made them compatible), and it worked just fine before installing the Gameplay module
    2. While VNV didn't actually put most of them in the Gameplay module, I installed the recommended mods to replace Project Nevada as listed in 'Gameplay Mods to Avoid' in the guide
    3. Also, I'm using Mod Organizer 1 for this. I know I shouldn't, but at this point it's too late for me to make the switch now, because the amount of time and effort I imagined needed to install MO2 from scratch, even with the Viva New Vegas guide, is already putting a weight on my mental condition. So I'd like to at least play a playthrough or two with this one before making the switch as fast as of 2021.
    4. With that, I'll also note that because I'm using Fear&Loathing in New Vegas guide (which used MO1), before trying to plug in Viva New Vegas's mods in there (while also replacing the outdated and obsolete F&LNV mods), I got cut content mods installed BEFORE the UI mods.
    5. I also had body replacer mods, such as Type 3, Roberts and the individual mods for the DLCs. I had them disabled now, but still the game freeze on main menu.
    6. Despite the last two points, the game worked JUST FINE *BEFORE* installing the Gameplay module. So, in the meanwhile, I'll now commence trying to activate-deactivate each and every one of the Gameplay mods and see which one freezes the main menu.
     
  2. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    Turns out the Helmet Overlay mod is the cause of the main menu freeze. I'm not sure why and I didn't get anything from reading the mod page, and I haven't taken a look at the .esp through xEdit, too. Still, I can live without it just fine. I re-activated the rest of Project Nevada alternatives, but the main menu loads comparably slower than before installing the Gameplay Module.

    Anyway, I'm actually finished modding the game as per VNV guide, but as per F&L I need to do the thing where I have to generate bash tags for each and every plugins. But it's an obvious pain in the ass, so I tried playing around and when I entered the Goodsprings Saloon to try Sunny Smiles's tutorial, the game just freeze on the loading screen :lol:
    # This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
    FalloutNV.esm
    DeadMoney.esm
    HonestHearts.esm
    OldWorldBlues.esm
    LonesomeRoad.esm
    GunRunnersArsenal.esm
    ClassicPack.esm
    MercenaryPack.esm
    TribalPack.esm
    CaravanPack.esm
    Navmesh Fixes and Improvements.esm
    YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm
    TheHUDEditor.esm
    Landscape_Seam_Fix.esm
    Uncut Road to Legate's Camp.esm
    Ambient Temperature.esm
    JIP Selective-Fire.esm
    BraveNewWorld.esm
    New Vegas Redesigned II.esm
    TLD_Travelers.esm
    Freeside Redone.esm
    Lightweight Strip Overhaul.esm
    PHWHPAPVisuals.esm
    Cyberware.esm
    YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp
    Unofficial Patch Plus.esp
    Unofficial Patch Plus - Addendum.esp
    WMIMNV.esp
    WMIM Addendum.esp
    Armor Replacer Child NPC Fix.esp
    FIXforLegionArmors.esp
    The Mod Configuration Menu.esp
    JIP Improved Recipe Menu.esp
    JIP Realistic Weapon Overheating.esp
    KeyBoy Hotkeys.esp
    The Weapon Mod Menu.esp
    FlashlightNVSE.esp
    Simple DLC Delay.esp
    Vanilla UI Plus.esp
    CPI Icons.esp
    Enslave Gannon fix.esp
    Melee Reach Revised.esp
    Psycho and Slasher Bonus Damage Fix.esp
    DisableMuzzleFlashLights.esp
    No more giant manhole covers.esp
    Motion Sickness Reduction Mod.esp
    Tutorial Killer.esp
    NoTrapsPopup.esp
    FOVSlider.esp
    Game Tweaks..esp
    Core - YUP - WMIM Patch.esp
    Vurt's WFO.esp
    EnhancedGrass_NoVL.esp
    A Wasteland in Bloom.esp
    STDG.esp
    Book of Steel.esp
    Distributed Necklaces and Chains.esp
    EMR-StealthSuitMkII.esp
    Holster.esp
    Pip-Boy Light - Vanilla.esp
    Weapon Retexture Project.esp
    YUP - WRP Patch.esp
    WTH AMR Fix.esp
    dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp
    B42Inertia.esp
    B42 Weapon Inertia - Config INI.esp
    Little More Lamplight.esp
    Burning Campfire.esp
    Better Burned Man.esp
    BC2.esp
    Bathroom Doors Fix.esp
    CIB Bighorners - HH.esp
    CIB Bighorners.esp
    Alsatian NCR Guard Dogs.esp
    NVAnimatedTerninalScreenSaver.esp
    OWB-Path Lights.esp
    JSawyer Ultimate.esp
    JSUE Addendum.esp
    Economy Overhaul.esp
    Economy Overhaul Addendum.esp
    Mojave Arsenal.esp
    Mojave Wildlife (Vanilla-Style + No Chanced).esp
    Mojave Raiders.esp
    Mojave Raiders Addendum.esp
    JSawyer Ultimate - Mojave Arsenal Patch.esp
    JSawyer Ultimate - Mojave Raiders Patch.esp
    YUP_MojaveArsenal.esp
    JSUE_BookOfSteel.esp
    Follower Tweaks.esp
    Changed Vendor Flags.esp
    BLEEDNV.esp
    BLEED Addendum.esp
    Unfound Loot.esp
    NPCsSprint.esp
    Real Recoil.esp
    Yukichigai Gameplay Tweaks.esp
    RaestlozFactionArmorEnhancement.esp
    JIP Companions Command & Control.esp
    VNV Follower Tweaks.esp
    Quickthrow.esp
    JustModsAssorted.esp
    Enhanced Vision.esp
    Simple Explosive Entry.esp
    Immersive Minigames.esp
    Immersive Primary Needs.esp
    Universal Item Sorter.esp
    Cyberware OWB.esp
    Cyberware-Quickthrow Patch.esp
    Qolore Gameplay Tweaks.esp
    GRA Scavenger Hunt Unbalanced.esp
    BetterNCRSupplyCache.esp
    Honest Hearts Workbench Crate Luck.esp
    Toxic Cloud Fix.esp
    Character Creation Streamlined.esp
    SGO - CCS Compatible.esp
    VWBarterRepairCosts.esp
    VWPerceptionRangedAccuracy.esp
    Stat Choices.esp
    NPC Use Aid.esp
    Gameplay - JSUE - WRP Patch.esp
    Gameplay - JSUE - YGT Patch.esp
    Gameplay - WMIM - JSUE Patch.esp
    Gameplay - YUP - BLEED Patch.esp
    Laurens_Bathroom_poetry.esp
    outsidebets.esp
    outsidebets_meyersfix.esp
    Uncut Wasteland.esp
    Uncut Extra Collection.esp
    CutMerged.esp
    TMCOTT - Restored.esp
    Mojave Raiders - TLD Patch.esp
    BraveNewWorld-ArmorReplacerChildNPCFix.esp
    BraveNewWorld-YUP.esp
    BraveNewWorld-OutsideBets.esp
    BraveNewWorld-UncutExtraCollection.esp
    BraveNewWorld-JSU.esp
    BraveNewWorld-MojaveRaiders.esp
    NVR- Lore version.esp
    Voice dissonance fix.esp
    Lightweight Strip Overhaul - Uncut Wasteland Patch.esp
    Lucky38Overhaul.esp
    Lore Friendly Armor Pack.esp
    FNVOppositeTraits.esp
    Improved Traits.esp
    Improved Traits Improved.esp
    Baddarkl Perk Overhaul.esp
    All Weapon Sounds Overhaul .esp
    Explosive Sounds Overhaul.esp
    Combat Music.esp
    Beyond The Beef Tweaks.esp
    The Law Won.esp
    vault22FloralOverhaul.esp
    CloudGrenades.esp
    Toasterizer.esp
    Burden to Bear Armor.esp
    ImmersivePickupSoundsFNV.esp
    Content - JSUE - Improved Traits Patch.esp
    Content - JSUE - Lore Friendly Armor Pack Patch.esp
    Content - JSUE - Opposite Traits Patch.esp
    Content - JSUE - Perk Overhaul Patch.esp
    Content - JSUE - Uncut Wasteland Patch.esp
    Content - Mojave Raiders - Uncut Wasteland Patch.esp
    Content - WFO - TLD Patch.esp
    Content - YUP - Perk Overhaul Patch.esp
    Content - YUP - TMCOTT Restored Patch.esp
    FNVLODGen.esp
    tmzLODadditions.esp
    Clarity - Dark Nights.esp
    Bashed Patch, 0.esp
    So now I have some options:
    1. Merge plugins, especially the VNV's Module Resolution plugins to reduce plugin count
    2. Maybe follow F&L finishing guide, start generating bash tags to each and every plugin, then create a bashed patch
    3. Just nuke the whole thing and start from scratch with VNV and MO2's proper
    4. Or be a true glittering gem of hatred and uninstall New Vegas
     
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2020
  3. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    I remembered that I haven't followed the INI tweaks of Viva New Vegas, which is different from Fear&Loathing's, so I did just that. Still the game freezes upon entering the loading screen to Goodsprings Saloon. Hell, I even found that the game would also freeze when entering Doc Mitchell's house. I finally resorted to manually creating merged patch by way of FNVEdit (creating an empty, merged patch plugin, upon which I 'Deep Copy Override into' with the records I wanted to merge patch), and created a merged patch for VNV's Gameplay and Content Conflict Resolution patches, and also another one for Brave New World patches. It helped, kinda, since I could finally enter Doc Mitchell's house normally, and also finally able to enter Goodsprings Saloon. And yet the game stuttered very, VERY badly despite playing on my brother's brand new PC, and I also encountered black objects in the saloon. Even worse, when exiting the saloon to start Sunny Smiles tutorial, the game would stutter even worse than before, whereas entering and exiting the General Store worked just fine.

    Who knows why, maybe I did the merge patch wrong, or perhaps even with Mod Limit Fix the PC's doomed to be unable to play beyond 135 plugin count. And so, that's it, folks. I'm now at my wit's end, and I think the only way to fix this is to nuke the entire thing, re-install New Vegas from scratch, then proceed to mod using Viva New Vegas's proper. May those who read this learned a lesson from my foul endeavor :drunk: