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The "Best of E3 2001" awards are in and GameCube managed to take "Best of Show" as well as "Best Console Hardware" along with a few game awards for Rouge Leader, Smash Brothers Melee and Pikimin. Furthermore, Alex Pham, technology reporter for the LA Times, had this to say about the GCN:
[blockquote]"The Little Console That Could. Nintendo's zero-hype strategy towards the GAMECUBE launch at E3 paid off handsomely. Most who saw the purple Kleenex box-sized successor to the N64 were unexpectedly impressed. Much of the GAMECUBE can be defined by what it is NOT. The console is not a DVD player. Nor will it be able to download MP3s out of the box. This is a streamlined game machine, pure and simple. Though nominally underpowered compared to its rivals, the GAMECUBE is surprisingly nimble, thanks to a lightning-fast MoSys memory architecture. So games such as WaveRace and Luigi's Mansion stack up gamely to anything seen so far on the Xbox or PlayStation 2. And at $199.95, the GAMECUBE is coming in at one-third the price of its beefier competitors."[/blockquote]
Kudos to Nintendo for beating out the competition.
http://www.e3awards.com/
 
i'm sore that for $200 it's a great deal, sony 2 is some... what, $300? I don't know, I never liked consoles too much, i like PCs so I can... uhm... type text :)
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Will it be enough to survive?

>The "Best of E3 2001" awards
>are in and GameCube managed
>to take "Best of Show"
>as well as "Best Console
>Hardware"

It probably won the award because of its look, certainly not for hardware. Having a small cubic game system does look pretty cute. Of course the XBox is big and clunky looking (and from what I've read, 20 pounds), with few games to show off, and the PS2 is over a year old.

>along with a few
>game awards for Rouge Leader,
>Smash Brothers Melee and Pikimin.

And let's see what the PS2 titles won:

Best Presentation: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Best Graphics: Final Fantasy X
Biggest Surprise: Maximo
Most Technologically Impressive: Splashdown
Most Innovative Design: Stretch Panic
Best Overall Game: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons Of Liberty
Best Online/Networked Game: Twisted Metal: Black
Best Adventure: Ico
Best Action: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Best First-Person Shooter: Red Faction
Best Racer: Gran Turismo 3: A-spec
Best Fighting: Capcom Vs. SNK 2
Best Puzzle: None (there were games, but all were not
great)
Best Misc.: Frequency
Best Simulation: Gran Turismo 3: A-spec
Best Wrestling: WWF SmackDown: "Just Bring It!"
Best Platformer: Jak and Daxter
Best Sports: Madden NFL 2002
Best Extreme Sports: Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Best RPG: Final Fantasy X

> Furthermore, Alex Pham, technology
>reporter for the LA Times,
>had this to say about
>the GCN:
>[blockquote]"The Little Console That Could. Nintendo's
>zero-hype strategy towards the GAMECUBE
>launch at E3 paid off
>handsomely. Most who saw the
>purple Kleenex box-sized successor to
>the N64 were unexpectedly impressed.
>Much of the GAMECUBE can
>be defined by what it
>is NOT. The console is
>not a DVD player.

The DVD support the XBox and PS2 have is actually a major selling-point of the consoles. While the Gamecube may be a good gaming system, it doesn't offer much else. Many people bought the PS2 because it offered a gaming system as well as a DVD player. Sure the DVD player isn't as good as what you can get from, say, Pioneer or Sony (a dedicated one), but when you're planning on buying a gaming system anyway, a DVD player is a nice perk.

>Nor
>will it be able to
>download MP3s out of the
>box. This is a streamlined
>game machine, pure and simple.

It makes me wonder if it can support addons the way the XBox and PS2 can. Sony was showing off their new Hard Drive add-on, LCD monitor, modems, ethernet, mouse and keyboard. The Xbox is basically a unified memory-architecture PC, and even runs a version of Windows 2000 on it. Maybe it'll be the first instant-on PC. I wonder if being just a "streamlined game machine" will be enough.

>Though nominally underpowered compared to
>its rivals, the GAMECUBE is
>surprisingly nimble, thanks to a
>lightning-fast MoSys memory architecture. So
>games such as WaveRace and
>Luigi's Mansion stack up gamely
>to anything seen so far
>on the Xbox or PlayStation
>2. And at $199.95, the
>GAMECUBE is coming in at
>one-third the price of its
>beefier competitors."[/blockquote]
>Kudos to Nintendo for beating out
>the competition.
>http://www.e3awards.com/

Somebody can't do their math... If the Gamecube is 1/3 the price of the competition, that would mean the Xbox and PS2 cost $600, which is certainly not true. Maybe he meant if you bought both an Xbox and PS2 together it would cost that much, but I doubt it.

If Sony decided to drop their trump card and decrease the price of the PS2, to say $250 or maybe even as low as the Gamecube console, it could floor the competition. Sony already has a huge lead over both the Gamecube and XBox and could drop the price anytime it wants.

The way I see it, the big battle will be between Sony and Microsoft with Nintendo on the sidelines nickle and diming the competition. Microsoft has a huge budget, 500 million dollars, to market and promote its XBox, and Sony has a huge third-party developer following with companies like Squaresoft, Namco, Konami and others with many of the games from the Dreamcast ported over very quickly (the API is easy to port with). Nintendo is still licking its wounds with its N64 lemon (comparitively speaking) and lost many of its third party game makers during the N64 era.

Rumor had it that Nintendo would've canned the Gamecube if response from E3 wasn't good. We're talking the E3, an American tradeshow. Console success is usually based off of the Japanese market, not the USA. Nintendo must be in some really desperate times. Their Gamecube better not turn out to be another bomb for the company like the N64 was or Nintendo will become a purely portable-gaming company, if that.

Who knows, maybe the Gamecube will dig Nintendo out of its rut. I just don't think it will be a major contender in the battle of the consoles. I think the battle will be between the Microsoft and Sony. The Gamecube is simply not a trump card.

-Xotor-

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RE: Will it be enough to survive?

Yeah Nintendo have taken some knocks with the N64 but always managed to pull something out of the fire. Remember while N64 was dull (although it did have some legendary games) Pokemon kept the money coming in.

Although I feel MS and Sony have the upper hand I cant help but have a nostalgic soft spot for Nintendo.
 
RE: Will it be enough to survive?

The idea that the gamecube would be canned if it didn`t worked out as a winner in the e3 wasn`t a rumour, it was officially announced by nintendo. They are doing they`re best they now, pulling a good release date and all, but it`s still a kids console, with no dvd support, so it won`t go far. Having said that, with that price i will probably buy one to my kid and my wife, so they won´t complain that i´m a selfish bastard if i only buy things to the pc... ;-)
 
No it wasn't

It was never officially anounced in any press releases I've seen nor interviews I've heard about.
 
Hmm...

"Will it be enough to survive?" I should say so! The GBA sold like hotcakes (http://pocket.ign.com/news/35906.html) and has far better 3rd party support at this point than the N64 ever did. Indeed, Nintendo have a stranglehold on the increasingly popular handheld market reminiscent of the days when Yamauchi could send companies out of business with a wave of his hand.

Then you have to consider the fact that Nintendo made more money in 2000 than either Sony or Sega (http://ign64.ign.com/news/30185.html). If you look closely, you'll notice that the margin which Nintendo is ahead of EA, the second place publisher, is greater than the COMBINED incomes of Sony and Sega for 2000! Now take into account Nintendo's untapped $5 billion (dollars, not yen ;P) warchest, and it's clear that they have plenty of resources to wage this and future wars.

As for those awards...
"Best Presentation"? Did I miss something? Where is that?
"Best Graphics"? WTF? Do you "Special Commendation Awarded for Graphics"? No one won that.
Are you looking at a different site or are you just making stuff up again? There are 18 awards total at http://www.e3awards.com/ and you've listed 18 there for PS2 alone. Something clearly isn't right.
 
RE: Will it be enough to survive?

>Yeah Nintendo have taken some knocks
>with the N64 but always
>managed to pull something out
>of the fire. Remember while
>N64 was dull (although it
>did have some legendary games)
>Pokemon kept the money coming
>in.

That has hurt Nintendo too, by giving their systems a kiddie appeal to them while turning off some of the more mature audiences. Many people stuck with Sony because it had more "adult" games. Now I'm not saying Nintendo doesn't have adult games (as in teen, not sexual, etc.) but Pokemon has tarnished Nintendo's image among many non-kids.

>Although I feel MS and Sony
>have the upper hand I
>cant help but have a
>nostalgic soft spot for Nintendo.

Most of the games that I've been nostalgic about with the Nintendo stem from the SNES, not the N64, and most of them, with exception to perhaps Zelda, are the RPGs which came from Squaresoft or other third-party developers who are not with Nintendo anymore.

-Xotor-

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RE: Will it be enough to survive?

Conker's Bad Fur Day is a pretty good game for variety, though it does tend to the vulgar at times. Has one of the most fucked-up and bittersweet endings I've seen in ANY console game.
 
There were some problems, though

Nintendo didn't want to market the game for anyone under 17 at all. So, Nintendo shot for the demographic of people 17 or older that had a Nintendo 64 or were interested in getting one. Ads were only placed in magazines like Maxim and Nintendo Power didn't even review that game (Or so I've heard, though I can't personally verify that). Of course, the game was a flop. It was however, one of the best games to ever be released on the system. It certainly had the best graphics and took out the tedious back-tracking and collecting that was a standard feature of Rare games. Unfortunately, it's replayability is practically nil.
 
RE: Hmm...

>"Will it be enough to survive?"
> I should say so!
> The GBA sold like
>hotcakes (http://pocket.ign.com/news/35906.html) and has far
>better 3rd party support at
>this point than the N64
>ever did. Indeed, Nintendo
>have a stranglehold on the
>increasingly popular handheld market reminiscent
>of the days when Yamauchi
>could send companies out of
>business with a wave of
>his hand.
>
>Then you have to consider the
>fact that Nintendo made more
>money in 2000 than either
>Sony or Sega (http://ign64.ign.com/news/30185.html).
>If you look closely, you'll
>notice that the margin which
>Nintendo is ahead of EA,
>the second place publisher, is
>greater than the COMBINED incomes
>of Sony and Sega for
>2000! Now take into
>account Nintendo's untapped $5 billion
>(dollars, not yen ;P) warchest,
>and it's clear that they
>have plenty of resources to
>wage this and future wars.

The situation looks better for Sony as of April 2001 (http://www.indiatimes.com/news/280401toi/28info13.htm). Their operating profit rose 0.96 percent to 1.6 billion dollars when losses associated with the PS2 declined (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/story.cfm?sid=2596). Sony lost quite a bit by lacking enough supply for the demand, not to mention investing over two billion dollars in development of the PS2 console. Sony predicts a 33% increase of operating profit to 300 billion yen (2.4 billion dollars) on sales of 8 trillion yen (6 billion dollars) (http://www.dailyradar.com/news/game_news_7696.html), which it could hit by the time the Xbox and Gamecube even arive in November.

As for EA and the rest, well, they've been producing some pretty poor games in my opinion.

>As for those awards...
>"Best Presentation"? Did I miss
>something? Where is that?
>
>"Best Graphics"? WTF? Do
>you "Special Commendation Awarded for
>Graphics"? No one won
>that.
>Are you looking at a different
>site or are you just
>making stuff up again?
>There are 18 awards total
>at http://www.e3awards.com/ and you've listed
>18 there for PS2 alone.
> Something clearly isn't right.

Haha, you're right, something was amiss. I went back to see where I copied it and noticed that I neglected to copy (or read) the sentence above the list that stated that they were in the best category for the PS2, my mistake, sorry about that.

-Xotor-


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RE: Doyle

I`m sorry, but i saw the statement a week before e3, it was from some top brass from nintendo confirming what was a rumour. I saw it in voodooextreme, in a ironic tone, and in gamasutra, in a more serious way. Maybe that`s why they won the prize, someone wanted to help them...

Btw i really think that i`m going to buy one, i saw movies from games in development in a kids show here and i got quite impressed, since i`m going to buy a GBA in august maybe i`ll become less nintendo-sceptic.
 
Can you supply a link?

This is the first time I've heard of any such official anouncement, but I have heard the rumors. I still won't believe until I see it, no offence intended toward yourself.

By all means, pick yourself up a GCN and a copy of Rogue Leader. If half of what I've heard about that game is true, then it sure beats the hell out of anything on the PS2 in terms of graphics. I doubt the XBox will launch with anything comparable, either.
 
Also...

No one just gave Nintendo the prize, which is what your statement seems to indicate, because the winners were voted on by a panel of 40 judges selected from major publications across the country. If fact, that's how the nominees were chosen in the first place. The judges voted for their top 5 favorites in each category based on rank (5 points for their #1 choice, 4 for #2, 3 for #3 and so on...) and the top five choices overall were nominated. I really doubt that the GCN would have been nominated and have come out victorious on sympathy points alone.

BTW, all of this is described in detail at http://www.e3awards.com
 
RE: Can you supply a link?

>This is the first time I've
>heard of any such official
>anouncement, but I have heard
>the rumors. I still
>won't believe until I see
>it, no offence intended toward
>yourself.

Here are two links I found from old April 2001 news archives:

http://the-lowdown.net/arc3-2001.shtml
http://www.gamingsolution.com/newspro/arc3.htm

>By all means, pick yourself up
>a GCN and a copy
>of Rogue Leader. If
>half of what I've heard
>about that game is true,
>then it sure beats the
>hell out of anything on
>the PS2 in terms of
>graphics.

Here's a site with screenshots:

http://www.game-revolution.com/prev..._wars_rogue_leader/star_wars_rogue_leader.htm

Say, is it just me or does it look like many parts of the images are using only a 256 color palette?

I'll have to see it when it comes out.

>I doubt the
>XBox will launch with anything
>comparable, either.

Microsoft makes some pretty quality games, though I don't know what they're going to come out with for the XBox.

-Xotor-

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LOL

A few out of context statements from the insane Yamauchi are nothing to worry about. You can read a little more in-depth summary of his rant here: http://cube.ign.com/news/33668.html. Especially noteworthy is that fact that while he seemingly threatened to cancel the GCN, he's also talking about long-term GameCube software plans and when the price is going to be unveiled. My advice to you would be to take his comments with a grain of salt, especially while competent executives like Miyamoto are almost flat-out contradicting him. If we're lucky, he actually WILL retire after this holiday season.
 
RE: Also...

>BTW, all of this is described in detail at http://www.e3awards.com

Yeah i saw that, and i knew from other years how the prizes are picked, maybe the statements were a way of lobbying for that, or maybe I`ve seen too many x-files episodes ;-)

That 256 colors palette thing got me worried, well, the movies i saw didn`t gave me that impression, they were rather good, but x-box graphics will surely beat that, i think...
 
Yes the Gamecube will be the best. Super Smash Brothers Melee looks awesome.
 
Interesting thing is guess where most of the sales came from? Pokemon games. Heh they may be stupid but DAMN they make money.

The x-box is cool but, I dunno, to me its little more then a PC with a cool name.

The P2 is iffy. The original playstation owned because it had a wide variety of great games. The P2 does not. Whats left? Squaresoft actually lost money last quarter (the link is somewhere). Make sense since FF has gone down hill since FF3 (or FF6 is your a fan).

Oh well we will wait and see.
 
>
>Interesting thing is guess where most
>of the sales came from?
>Pokemon games. Heh they may
>be stupid but DAMN they
>make money.
>
>The x-box is cool but, I
>dunno, to me its little
>more then a PC with
>a cool name.

Well it's unified memory architecture makes it more powerful than the other two systems from what I've read.

>The P2 is iffy. The original
>playstation owned because it had
>a wide variety of great
>games. The P2 does not.
>Whats left? Squaresoft actually lost
>money last quarter (the link
>is somewhere). Make sense since
>FF has gone down hill
>since FF3 (or FF6 is
>your a fan).

Game production has really picked up. The selection when the console debuted was not all that impressive, but games like Metal Gear Solid and others are showing the PS2's strength.

>Oh well we will wait and
>see.

Guess we will.

-Xotor-

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