George Soros and Bush

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Soros's Deep Pockets vs. Bush

By Laura Blumenfeld, Washington Post Staff Writer

NEW YORK -- George Soros, one of the world's richest men, has given away nearly $5 billion to promote democracy in the former Soviet bloc, Africa and Asia. Now he has a new project: defeating President Bush (news - web sites).


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"It is the central focus of my life," Soros said, his blue eyes settled on an unseen target. The 2004 presidential race, he said in an interview, is "a matter of life and death."

Soros, who has financed efforts to promote open societies in more than 50 countries around the world, is bringing the fight home, he said. On Monday, he and a partner committed up to $5 million to MoveOn.org, a liberal activist group, bringing to $15.5 million the total of his personal contributions to oust Bush.

Overnight, Soros, 74, has become the major financial player of the left. He has elicited cries of foul play from the right. And with a tight nod, he pledged: "If necessary, I would give more money."

"America, under Bush, is a danger to the world," Soros said. Then he smiled: "And I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is."

Soros believes that a "supremacist ideology" guides this White House. He hears echoes in its rhetoric of his childhood in occupied Hungary. "When I hear Bush say, 'You're either with us or against us,' it reminds me of the Germans." It conjures up memories, he said, of Nazi slogans on the walls, Der Feind Hort mit ("The enemy is listening"). "My experiences under Nazi and Soviet rule have sensitized me," he said in a soft Hungarian accent.

Soros's contributions are filling a gap in Democratic Party finances that opened after the restrictions in the 2002 McCain-Feingold law took effect. In the past, political parties paid a large share of television and get-out-the-vote costs with unregulated "soft money" contributions from corporations, unions and rich individuals. The parties are now barred from accepting such money. But non-party groups in both camps are stepping in, accepting soft money and taking over voter mobilization.

"It's incredibly ironic that George Soros is trying to create a more open society by using an unregulated, under-the-radar-screen, shadowy, soft-money group to do it," Republican National Committee (news - web sites) spokeswoman Christine Iverson said. "George Soros has purchased the Democratic Party."

In past election cycles, Soros contributed relatively modest sums. In 2000, his aide said, he gave $122,000, mostly to Democratic causes and candidates. But recently, Soros has grown alarmed at the influence of neoconservatives, whom he calls "a bunch of extremists guided by a crude form of social Darwinism."

Neoconservatives, Soros said, are exploiting the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, to promote a preexisting agenda of preemptive war and world dominion. "Bush feels that on September 11th he was anointed by God," Soros said. "He's leading the U.S. and the world toward a vicious circle of escalating violence."

Soros said he had been waking at 3 a.m., his thoughts shaking him "like an alarm clock." Sitting in his robe, he wrote his ideas down, longhand, on a stack of pads. In January, PublicAffairs will publish them as a book, "The Bubble of American Supremacy" (an excerpt appears in December's Atlantic Monthly). In it, he argues for a collective approach to security, increased foreign aid and "preventive action."

"It would be too immodest for a private person to set himself up against the president," he said. "But it is, in fact" -- he chuckled -- "the Soros Doctorine."

His campaign began last summer with the help of Morton H. Halperin, a liberal think tank veteran. Soros invited Democratic strategists to his house in Southampton, Long Island, including Clinton chief of staff John D. Podesta, Jeremy Rosner, Robert Boorstin and Carl Pope.

They discussed the coming election. Standing on the back deck, the evening sun angling into their eyes, Soros took aside Steve Rosenthal, CEO of the liberal activist group America Coming Together (ACT), and Ellen Malcolm, its president. They were proposing to mobilize voters in 17 battleground states. Soros told them he would give ACT $10 million.

Asked about his moment in the sun, Rosenthal deadpanned: "We were disappointed. We thought a guy like George Soros could do more." Then he laughed. "No, kidding! It was thrilling."

Malcolm: "It was like getting his Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval."

"They were ready to kiss me," Soros quipped.

Before coffee the next morning, his friend Peter Lewis, chairman of the Progressive Corp., had pledged $10 million to ACT. Rob Glaser, founder and CEO of RealNetworks, promised $2 million. Rob McKay, president of the McKay Family Foundation, gave $1 million and benefactors Lewis and Dorothy Cullman committed $500,000.

Soros also promised up to $3 million to Podesta's new think tank, the Center for American Progress.

Soros will continue to recruit wealthy donors for his campaign. Having put a lot of money into the war of ideas around the world, he has learned that "money buys talent; you can advocate more effectively."

At his home in Westchester, N.Y., he raised $115,000 for Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean (news - web sites). He also supports Democratic presidential contenders Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark and Rep. Richard A. Gephardt (news - web sites) (Mo.).

In an effort to limit Soros's influence, the RNC sent a letter to Dean Monday, asking him to request that ACT and similar organizations follow the McCain-Feingold restrictions limiting individual contributions to $2,000.

The RNC is not the only group irked by Soros. Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, which promotes changes in campaign finance , has benefited from Soros's grants over the years. Soros has backed altering campaign finance, an aide said, donating close to $18 million over the past seven years.

"There's some irony, given the supporting role he played in helping to end the soft money system," Wertheimer said. "I'm sorry that Mr. Soros has decided to put so much money into a political effort to defeat a candidate. We will be watchdogging him closely."

An aide said Soros welcomes the scrutiny. Soros has become as rich as he has, the aide said, because he has a preternatural instinct for a good deal.

Asked whether he would trade his $7 billion fortune to unseat Bush, Soros opened his mouth. Then he closed it. The proposal hung in the air: Would he become poor to beat Bush?

He said, "If someone guaranteed it."
 
Yes, America under bush is as dangerous to the world as NMA could be to Fallout 3 if Chuck Cuevas became lead designer.
 
Soros is an interesting character to say, the posterboy of capitalism turned the selt proclaimed posterboy of anti-globalism. Of course, I don't like him, since he is very much responsible of making every Swede a lot less prosperous.
 
Wooz69 said:
Yes, America under bush is as dangerous to the world as NMA could be to Fallout 3 if Chuck Cuevas became lead designer.

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Ahahahaha!

What does that mean, anyway? NMA couldn't really be very dangerous to Interplay at all.
 
Ahhh...George Soros. Number one enemy of all Croatian nationalists and right wing extremists. I still remember the good old days when calling someone "servant of Soros" was pretty much same as calling him Antichrist. The right-wing regime and state-controlled press insisted that his organization "Open Society" was an agency of freemasons and foreign conspirators whose only goal was to destroy the independant Croatia and plunder its riches. Even now extremists enjoy calling "left wing" (i.e. not extreme nationalist) politicians agents of freemasons and Soros's peons.

But why did everybody hate him so much? What was the crime of George Soros and why was he an enemy of the right wing regime that ruled Croatia until 2000? Why, he promoted democracy, of course! He donated huge amounts of money into promoting democracy and freedom of speech, he invested into independant newspapers, magazines, radio and TV stations, he used his influence to push Croatia into financial and political isolation to pressure the regime to change its policies regarding civil freedom and human rights, he bought the loudest, most anti-nationalist magazine in Croatia just as the government was about to shut it down. He is one of the people who contributed most to the fact that ultranationalists lost power in 2000, and absence of his influence is the main reason why they might regain power now, in 2003 (elections are in two weeks, I'll vote for the first time). Not only was he a huge pest because of his financial power and interfering in Croatian affairs, but he was out of the regime's reach. Intelligence agents couldn't get to him or even monitor him, police couldn't arrest him, army's assassins couldn't kill him, courts couldn't sentence him... All they could do was bitch, moan and call him a cionist agent, conspirator and incarnation of Satan himself, using the local media to attack him in any way they could, hating him even more for not only being unable to hurt him, but moreso for being unable to so much as get his attention...

Yep, it's a shame Mr. Soros is diverting his attention from this part of the world. Nationalists will have now have no one to blame for every bad thing that ever happened in Croatia.
 
True, Soros has donated millions to international causes. He is one of the greatest living philanthropists of the current day. However, lots also not forget that the Malaysians blamed him for the Asian Financial Crisis on 1997 due to his playing with Asian currency values.
 
The controversy stems from Campaign finance Reform.

Soros is causing an outrage because he's donated millions of dollars to the Democrats, but he shouldn't be able to due to the Finance Reform.

He's circumvented this technicality by donating millions of dollars to special interest groups and lobbyists who then donate that money to the campaigns.

That's why this is so significant.
 
Blargh.

What I actually meant on that post was that the US is as dangerous under w's leadership to the world as the leadership of Chucky would be to Fo3 if he was lead designer. (Yeah that was supposed to be something of a funny line but I fucked the humorous aspect of it. n/m)

I wrote the thing while i was pretty busy chatting with quite a lot of people on msn and icq-like programs, and the nma-interplay "bumped" in, didn't even preview the phrase before i posted. shame on me. next time I'll read throughoutly what i write before I give you guys an excuse for giving me crap like that.

Anyways, CC, this isn't the "say hello and post a pic of yourself" thread. If you can't understand this, have a word with Ozrat, he's quite used to dealing with mentally challenged people, I believe he even worked in a camp in the summer, I'm sure he'll explain it to you far better than I'd ever could.
 
Wooz69 said:
Anyways, CC, this isn't the "say hello and post a pic of yourself" thread. If you can't understand this, have a word with Ozrat, he's quite used to dealing with mentally challenged people, I believe he even worked in a camp in the summer, I'm sure he'll explain it to you far better than I'd ever could.

Don't take it so personally guy. Grow some skin.
 
Anyways, CC, this isn't the "say hello and post a pic of yourself" thread. If you can't understand this, have a word with Ozrat, he's quite used to dealing with mentally challenged people, I believe he even worked in a camp in the summer, I'm sure he'll explain it to you far better than I'd ever could.

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Frankly, my posting pics is much better then your rather lame attempts to call conservatives Nazis. I am basically just name calling in jest. You are pushing it by doing Vidal-esque idiotic remarks like comparing George Bush's America to Hussien's Iraq. Mine do not have a negative impact upon socity; yours do, by polarizing the two sides so that no progress can be made.

I dont mean it personally. Frankly, polotics is not everything, and frankly I tend to get along better with Bohemian Liberals then I do with my fellow conservatives.

Soros is an idiot. Trust Jose-Ramos Horta and Vaclav Havel on this one, both of whom lived in totalitarian regiems about twelve years ago, not fifty. Not to mention that neither of them are millionares.

I respect him as a philanthropist, but frankly I think that calling conservatives Nazis just makes everybody pissy.
 
Meh...

My initial guess of the scout in the picture is that he has Down Syndrome. It's a condition that is caused from being born with an extra chromosome, so it's not like it's reversible or has the capability of being "cured" or whatever, so it is a life-long thing for those who have it.

DS kids can be shocking to be around with at first for those who are unfamiliar with it, but after a while they become the cutest kids you've ever seen. They will do and say the funniest shit you can possibly imagine. Ah, the stories I could tell... The important thing to know and do when you're with them, however, is to learn how to laugh with them, not at them.

The picture that you used is pretty borderline to laughing at them, but not enough to make me care.

For the sake of morals and manners at NMA, I am asking you to please refrain from posting similar material in the future however.

Korea'ing conservative nazis...
 
They also have the filtiest mouths youve ever seen. Its amazing, it is like having Scarface and South PArk: THe Movie on at the same time.

I have been working with the Illiniois Special Olympics for three years.

Fine, I wont.
 
Actually, it would be the dirty old visually impaired men who have the filthiest mouths.

A kid once asked me if he could smoke some crack and cigarettes once during dinner.

An elderly "gentleman" once told me about his experiences in the porno/nudie business once and gave me some advice to "smoke a joint before cranking the monkey" every time before I ever go to a photo shoot or drawing session if I ever went into the business myself.

Which one do you think got a bigger reaction out of me?
 
He calls conservatives nazis? Is it possible to be a conservative nazi? I thought that in order to be a nazi, you have to at least be a radical/liberal.
 
Conservative people often very radical/liberal and reffers to foreigners as "sertain words I'm not allowed to speak, kind of names", witch makes them kind of commperrable to nazis... In a way.. Not that I mean that conservative one's are to be compared with nazis or anything like that. My grandpa is very conservative, and he's one of the nicest people I know.
 
I'm not calling conservatives Nazis. Neither ultra polarizing the whole war to " bush bad, saddam good ". However, I understand that comparing W to hitler can be a bit too drastic for a lot of you guys. Anyways I think that any criticism is good for society, and I can't see where exactly I'm blocking the way for progress to be made in the discussion, either in my remarks or in my posts. The threads don't rely on one person's opinion, do they?

You may have a totally different opinion on the subject and you have the right to criticise what I say as much as I have to criticise yours, but please don't twist it to say I'm some kind of fundamentalist-like antiamerican, opposed to that country no matter what.

I'm honestly decieved in the state of the political scene in the states, supposedly the avatar of freedom and democracy throughout the world, and bush's fanatism and blind stupidity reminds me of hitler in his early career days. You don't agree with this, ok, it's your call, your mind, etc. I'm certainly not trying to impose my point of view onto you guys.
Look at it in this way: before the war, us officials openly claim that the iraqui leader should be removed. If any government leader in the world would say that about bush, the us military would whoop them a new ass. So who's the real terrorist?

btw sorry about the last post, i had a real pissy day and had enough of taking shit from everyone.
 
Wooz69 said:
If any government leader in the world would say that about bush, the us military would whoop them a new ass.

Only if they presented a legitimate threat.
 
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