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RE: I agree completely, Roshambo

>Aye, 'tis a shithole of racists
>and dumbasses down here. I'd
>leave but it's one of
>those my father's father's father
>lived here things.

Ouch man, tradition is an artificial binding that should never come in the way of pragmatism.

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RE: I agree completely, Roshambo

Tradition blows. Tradition is the reason I live next to a KKK member. His tradition, not mine.

And Doyle, that's what I decided to do. If the judge lets me off or gives me some kind of light punishment, it could come in handy for the suit.

Time to go challenge the man!

*polishes power armor while humming an Ice T song*

Yes, the rage has been set aside for clear thinking this time.

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RE: I agree completely, Roshambo

As you could probably tell from the last few posts, I'm pretty upbeat about it now that the initial anger faded and I have the chance to make a profit and make some small difference around the town.

Once again, thanks jimmyjay86, Xotor, Doyle, Roshambo, and everyone else who supported me, read my rant and gave me advice, I'm glad I'm a member of this board, people look out for each other at NMA, that's rare.

That's enough for now. I have to go dig up my lone suit.

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RE: I agree completely, Roshambo

I think this comes a bit late, and i don`t expect you to follow advices from someone that lives in a entirely diferent judicial system, even if i went to law school with professors that made master degrees in Columbia, but here it goes:

Wait to see what happens when you´re called to the judge. If he`ll let you go just forget about it, and start planing moving someday to some place else (this is the 30 years old that did just that and never looked back talking...).

If you get some stupid penalty, then sue the cops, but find a way of getting things to a state court; no judje is going to agree with what you say, because it would mean that the sentence you got was wrong in the first place; if it`s in a medium or small community court that simply won`t happen.

Good luck anyway
 
RE: I agree completely, Roshambo

When you go, don't give the cop or the department anything they don't deserve. A man who looked amazingly like a kidnapping, raping, murderer; was driving the same modle and color car; and had children in the back seat was pulled over by a cop. The officer followed standard proccedure. The cop told the man to put his hands on the hood of the cruiser while he talked to the kids in the car. when the officer turned the man walked back to his car. The cop told the man get on the ground. When the man did not reply the cop was enpured to use force. He struck the man in the legs several times before giving up. If the man had let the officer talk to the children the whole thing would have blowen over and the cop would appologize for wasting two minutes of the mans time. The man takes the cop to court. The department paid a large fee to the man and the cop was fired. The cop could have taken the department to a higher court and gotten his job back or a bigger settlement fee.

For you, however, in most of America the knife is legal. If you loose in a local court take it to a state court, but you must loose in the lower court first. Claim a mistrile by the judge. If you loose in a state court, go supreme. If your constitutional rights are not violated, you must specify you want a court reversal. The supreme court has no sympathy for local courts.

Who knew school could be useful.
 
You're taking it to court? Time to make a prediction:

I don't think things will go your way. I think the judge will let you off with a warning about the knife. As for the rest, in regards to seeking compensation and the such, I just have a feeling that things won't go your way.

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Didn,t you have your registration papers on you?
Are your licence plates renewed?
Is your drivers licence supended?

It seems to me that a simple paper check would've clear this all up.
Is there anything that you are not telling us?
What kind of knife? Rambo type of any knife that you can claim a bonnafided purpose on (i work with chefs so i have a lot of times knifes over a foot long in my trunk, wich are in a tool box)
Where was the knife? Under your seat or in the trunk, where you can claim that it fell out of your tackle box last time you went fishing.

Did you piss off the police in any way?
Have you recently did and dumped the police chief daughter(s), wife, mother, brother(s)? :-p
If you did nothing wrong and the papers were clear why did they need (want) to search the car?

Anyway many questions may still be asked by the judge.
However if they have taken you in custody they should have read you your rights... even if you waived them. That is a technicality wich a higher up judge will agree to retrial by, that is if the first judge doesn't do it first. In that case just ask for the bail and impound money and let it go.

good luck

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>Didn,t you have your registration papers
>on you?
>Are your licence plates renewed?
>Is your drivers licence supended?

Had papers, current plates and license.
>It seems to me that a
>simple paper check would've clear
>this all up.

It cleared up the stolen car part, but my dad actually made the knife so there are no papers on it.

>Is there anything that you are
>not telling us?

Can't think of anything else.

>What kind of knife?

As I said, skinning knife, I work in as a taxidermist (go ahead and make jokes about me being afreak, but you get alot of business down here) the knife is used for it. Thanks for the legitimate use idea.

>Where was the knife? Under your
>seat or in the trunk,
>where you can claim that
>it fell out of your
>tackle box last time you
>went fishing.

Between the two front seats

>Did you piss off the police
>in any way?

I was a hell of a lot more polite than he was.

>Have you recently did and dumped
>the police chief daughter(s), wife,
>mother, brother(s)? :-p

One word: inbreeding. I only date outside of the region.

>If you did nothing wrong and
>the papers were clear why
>did they need (want) to
>search the car?

Because he could. Seriously. "Yuk, I got me a badge, Billy-Bob, let's go erest us some people."

>Anyway many questions may still be
>asked by the judge.
>However if they have taken you
>in custody they should have
>read you your rights... even
>if you waived them. That
>is a technicality wich a
>higher up judge will agree
>to retrial by, that is
>if the first judge doesn't
>do it first. In that
>case just ask for the
>bail and impound money and
>let it go.

I'm doing some research in past lawsuits about wrongful arrest and violated rights and there's a pretty high success rate.

>good luck

Thanks

And just so everyone knows, the stereotypes about Tennessee are correct way too often. I moving out west to Utah at the end of next month. I can't take it down here anymore.

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The "legitimite use" argument is a waste of time. It violates the law, so it doesn't matter what you use it for. Instead, focus on the wrongul arrest aspect of the case. Even if it doesn't invalidate the knife evidence, the judge may be more lenient.
 
I dissagree, i have right now twelve knives in my trunk wich are of legitimate use. Of those twelve, 9 are longer than a foot, a lot more than the law permits.

Why ? because they are a chef's tools.

A locksmith can't be brought to justice because he has lockpicking tools in his car, even tough it is illegal to possess them.

So a taxidermist on his way to his taxidermist shop *gough* Hint *cough* with a knife that is used for taxidermy ... hmmm i wonder what he is going to do with it???


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Ok, you're right, Canadian. You have a much better grasp of US law then I do.

Seriously though, Bronzefire, don't try arguing that unless you know the law has some kind of legitimite use clause. If it doesn't, it is absolutely a waste of time.
 
Surveyor's use machetes all of the time. I have one in my work truck to clear brush and in case anyone gets uppity with me when I'm working in the hood. I looked in a surveyor's catalog at work today under machetes and it said nothing about any restrictions on states they could sell it in.
 
>Surveyor's use machetes all of the
>time. I have one in
>my work truck to clear
>brush and in case anyone
>gets uppity with me when
>I'm working in the hood.
>I looked in a surveyor's
>catalog at work today under
>machetes and it said nothing
>about any restrictions on states
>they could sell it in.

Please excuse my ignorance, but what, pray tell, does a surveyor use a machette for? I thought they only used those things... On tripods... That take measurements or something?

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>Please excuse my ignorance, but what,
>pray tell, does a surveyor
>use a machette for? I
>thought they only used those
>things... On tripods... That take
>measurements or something?

Well sometimes you can't get a straight line-of-sight with the scope/laser so you need to clear out the brush and all that... plus usually a surveyor needs to be at an exact location and if there are branches and shit all over, those need to be cleared out.

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I would've replied sooner, but this damn computer got a major virus.

Now for the replies. I have yet to find any possesion laws for use in a business. I think that might be with the prescribed weed laws.

And Ugly John, I'll teach you how to skin a gecko if you teach me how to best prepare buffalo. I swear, I've had two pounds of the stuff vacuumed pack in my freezer for a year without knowing to cook right.

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I don't know about buffalo, but I will tell you this: when I was in Sudbury, Canada visiting friends, I had moose for the first time. Steaks with a sprinkle of lemon-pepper; excellent.

"Did we give up when the GERMANS bombed Pearl Harbor?"
 
I think it's loin and filet.(pound of each)

For the gecko; did you want just the hide or did you want it stuffed. I don't have much experience with reptiles, but I can figure it out.

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