Goodbye Liberal Canada

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John Uskglass

Venerable Relic of the Wastes
When he was still finance minister, Paul Martin was one of three cabinet ministers who intervened to make sure that a Toronto ad agency wouldn't lose its lucrative government contracts if it was to be sold to a foreign conglomerate, the Gomery inquiry has been told.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050504.wguite0504/BNStory/Front/

Canada's going to change. Liberal dominance is dead. I doubt the NDP will continue to support them. And finally, the Liberals will stop calling the Conservatives un-Canadian.
 
Interesting.

Is 'Jumping Into Rash Conclusions' the new national sport?
 
CCR, you seriously underestimate the stupidity and Liberal-party-Felicitating of the eastern Canadian voter. This same issue was raised last election and the Liberals still got re-elected for the 4th term.
 
calculon00 said:
you seriously underestimate
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Yes, I'd say it's to soon to draw any conclusions on what will happen. A lot of people here are not too keen on the Harper alternative. Also, there is a lot of bitterness over the last conservative leader Myron Baloney :lol: who brought us our wonderful GST. We feel that every time we buy anything. And anyone who believes the "other" party is or will be Corruption Free™ probably hasn't been around long enough to understand they are opposite sides of the same coin.
 
calculon00 said:
CCR, you seriously underestimate the stupidity and Liberal-party-Felicitating of the eastern Canadian voter. This same issue was raised last election and the Liberals still got re-elected for the 4th term.
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At this high level?

And polls are saying that the Conservatives are ahead for the first time in well..14 years.

A party should not be in control for 14 years. It just is'nt healthy by any standards.
 
John Uskglass said:
A party should not be in control for 14 years. It just is'nt healthy by any standards.
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While this is true, the conservative party was almost exterminated from the country when the liberals took over. They had like a couple of seats in the house. Then the two conservative parties had to join together to make this "canadian alliance" party to even have a chance. And even still, will they not bend over for the Bloc Québécois? There is also fear that Harper will be a tad too cozy with the Republicans, just as Mulroney cozied up to Reagan. I know many people who rushed to vote in order to make sure this doesn't happen again. I'm not convinced that sentiment has changed. The west is much more conservative, but almost all of the power lies in ontario/quebec, and this region is VERY liberal.
 
John Uskglass said:
God knows I would never want the Republicans or the Democrats in power for 14 years. 8 is too much.
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Of the last seven presidential elections, the Republicans have won five. Of the last ten, they’ve won seven. It looks similar to Liberal domination in Canada. And since I can literally walk to America from here, have lived stateside for 5 years, and have dated Americans cross border, I know that many voters on both sides end up with the same dilemma: which candidate is the lesser of two evils? Many Canadians will be pondering this question in the next while, just as they did last election. Many don't actually want Liberals in power, but they want Conservatives even less. In summary, all politicians suck, some just suck less (phrase stolen from the unix mutt email client).
 
Dude_Obj wrote:
I know that many voters on both sides end up with the same dilemma: which candidate is the lesser of two evils?
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Amen to that. And that is part of the problem, as here in the US the Reps and Dems are two sides of the same coin :roll: if you scratch deeply enough. They both want to take to citizens to the shower either through increased taxation, or through the committee for State's Security, err, I mean homeland defense. Either way is designed for one thing, control of the population.


Cheers Thorgrimm
 
This is one of those delicious political dilemmas. The voters (that matter) hate the Conservatives, the only really viable alternative to Liberal dominance, yet if the Liberals retain power in Parliament the Canadians can expect even more corrupt shit to go down.

Not like the Conservatives would be free of corruption, but then they're not the ones who've been determining policy for 14 years.
 
Thorgrimm said:
Amen to that. And that is part of the problem, as here in the US the Reps and Dems are two sides of the same coin :roll: if you scratch deeply enough.
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I think Richard Belzer said it best in one of his stand-up shows:

They should combine the Republicans and Democrats into one party. The Remocrats. And they've been remming it up our crats for long enough. (Something like that, forgot the exact quote.)
 
Bradylama said:
The voters (that matter) hate the Conservatives
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I voted in the last conservative leader in 84 (yep I'm old, was young and naive then), and I'm still paying for it. The GST, NAFTA, recession, and other things are still sore spots for a lot of canadians.

Bradylama said:
Not like the Conservatives would be free of corruption
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The east will always get political favors no matter who is in power. Two thirds of the country lives there. The west will vote opposite to the east, just to oppose, a statement of "hey we're important too". If the east was Tory dominated now, the west would be Grit. Ad Scam seems pretty mild to me compared to drama elsewhere including south of the border. I think many people here wonder how soon Harper would put on cowboy boots :look: One thing the liberals haven't been: puppets.
 
dude_obj said:
I voted in the last conservative leader in 84 (yep I'm old, was young and naive then), and I'm still paying for it. The GST, NAFTA, recession, and other things are still sore spots for a lot of canadians.
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And we're still hurting from Jimmy Carter's woefully inept presidency, but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't vote Democratic if I feel their ticket has the superior candidate. Or perhaps party leaders in Canada are more prone to tow the party line than I think?

I think many people here wonder how soon Harper would put on cowboy boots :look: One thing the liberals haven't been: puppets.
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Liberal posturing concerning American policy has more to do with the practical reach of your military than genuine concerns over our actions. If Canadians could have helped the occupation in Iraq in the first place, Liberal sentiments probably wouldn't have been more pronounced.
 
Bradylama said:
Liberal posturing concerning American policy has more to do with the practical reach of your military than genuine concerns over our actions. If Canadians could have helped the occupation in Iraq in the first place, Liberal sentiments probably wouldn't have been more pronounced.
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Well I didn't even mention military, although that is the most obvious issue of late. The point was: Trudeau, Chretien, and Martin (Liberals) all stand up and say no to American pressure. Conservatives tend to do the opposite. Mulroney said that Reagan was "sensitive to canadian issues". Right.
 
That's because the Conservatives see cooperation with America as having the longer-term benefit than becoming more Euro-centric.

My point is that the Liberals only "stand up" to American pressures when they can afford to. Makes for a good photo op or sound byte when Canada can't get much of the pie.
 
The_Vault_Dweller said:
John Uskglass said:
A party should not be in control for 14 years. It just is'nt healthy by any standards.
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Unless you like that party...right?
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You're right, I think they call this thing 'the moh-crassee'. But I don't like it very much, anarchy is funnier.
Anyway, why change, Canada has one of the best rep as quality of life, welfare and civil rights.
 
NAFTA has done so much for the Canadian Economy that is actually pretty pathetic you guys critiscize the Conservatives for it.

Actually, replace 'pretty' with 'extremley' and add 'petty and annoying'.
 
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