Have you ever been accused of being a "fake Fallout fan"? Why?

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by TheAnimeHunter, May 21, 2022.

  1. TheAnimeHunter

    TheAnimeHunter First time out of the vault

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    Mar 25, 2021
    I'm not sure how common of an occurrence this actually is, I've only seen it happen once I entered Fallout's modding community. Long story short, when I talked about how I was making a mod for Fallout: New Vegas I was asked if The Enclave would have a presence in it - I said no, which then led to me being accused of being a fake Fallout fan. I was told that "real fallout fans" would make mods about the Enclave in the Creation Kit (Fallout 4's engine) and that I must be an "Oxhorn fan" for wanting to make Fallout New Vegas mods. Since then, I've basically had one person or another try to encourage me to switch to Fallout 4's engine. First they would argue that New Vegas modding is dead, that I would become "popular" and "get more attention" by making my mods in Fallout 4 and that "nobody likes RPGs" and stuff like that.

    I don't see lines like that being drawn here, so I was wondering if anybody here has seen similar behavior in other places like reddit or discord.
     
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  2. Norzan

    Norzan Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Apr 7, 2017
    The Enclave as a faction after Fallout 2 has been extremely contrived and nonsensical because they were destroyed in that game. So anyone claiming that someone is a fake Fallout fan because their mod that happens after Fallout 2 won't have the Enclave can go eat a dick.

    Only New Vegas did this correctly by having the Enclave Remnants. That brough much needed depth to the Enclave while not forcing the faction to just pop out of nowhere at full force. Which again, it wouldn't make sense.
     
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  3. TheAnimeHunter

    TheAnimeHunter First time out of the vault

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    Mar 25, 2021
    Agreed.
     
  4. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    What kind of reasoning is that? First of all Fallout does not revolve around the Enclave, it does not even revolve around the Super Mutants.
    Both have played an important role in the Fallout games, and I liked what impact they have had on the setting and the lore. But neither are required to appear in every game.

    The Super Mutants as a threat were ended in Fallout 1 and that of the Enclave in Fallout 2. What is left are just some remnants, now trying to find a place in the wasteland or slowly dying off.

    Having them actually appear again and again, posing a major threat is not just ridiculous and gives the idea that designers can not come up with new ideas or think Fallout is only about repeating old ideas, it also comes over as fan obsessive.

    Let other regions and parts of the former US have their own unique mutants and factions with occasionally the rare Super Mutant, Ghoul, or NCR traveler making an appearance.
    In my own idea only the Enclave's technology appears, the Enclave themselves are dead. And all present Super Mutants and Ghouls are migrants from the West. Instead the region has its own unique mutants and modified humans.

    Oh before I forget, this is why I dislike a lot of the modern fandom as they think Fallout is about the perpetual battle between the BOS, the Super Mutants, and the Enclave.

    Addition: ever since Fallout 3 NMA and a lot of people on it have been accused of not being true fans because they did not go along with the changes, or living in the past, or not being happy unless we got something like Fallout 1 or 2 again.
    That we would object against the franchise being taken into different direction.
    What we cared about is the lore of the franchise but also what the initial intentions were with the first game.
    Bethesda never seemed to understand that and instead passed on their own perception to people.
    There are not always multiple interpretations of something.
     
  5. TheAnimeHunter

    TheAnimeHunter First time out of the vault

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    Mar 25, 2021
    As backwards as this is, it's not that surprising. Most newer Fallout fans care more about the aesthetics and combat rather than the lore or story. Newer Fallout fans what to shoot at/with people they recognize with cool laser weapons, they couldn't care less about exploring Fallout's world.
     
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  6. Ugly Kid

    Ugly Kid Still Mildly Glowing

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    May 9, 2018
    How would you even be an Oxhorn fan if you're using New Vegas? Wouldn't creation kit be the Oxhorn platform?

    Some people have little ape brains
     
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  7. JunjiItosGio

    JunjiItosGio Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Oct 29, 2020
    That’s a classic Reddit argument that you’re not a “real fan” unless you kiss Bethesda’s ass and like every shit they release to the very foundation. It’s why I fucking hate Reddit, there’s no real discussion on quality, you either are a bugman or you get downvoted to oblivion. It’s also why Redditors are so anti-New Vegas because despite it being buggy as hell, with awful voice acting for a lot of characters, and under developed in a lot of areas, it’s still way more of a Fallout game than anything Bethesda has put out to this day. And they hate that.

    The Enclave thing you say originated from The Frontier mod, who got heat from 4chan for saying you won’t be able to join The Enclave because it’s a “fascist power trip” that only “Trump voters” would side with. But that’s honestly the least of The Frontier’s controversies.

    As for Oxhorn, he’s that big YouTuber with the bowler hat who’s done more damage to Fallout than I personally think anyone else has including Emil himself, as Oxhorn only does “Fallout lore videos” for money. He has no care for the franchise aside it’s lucrative content for his channel, and constantly dismisses the awful writing and retcons. Basically he’s Reddit incarnate, one of, if not, the biggest Fallout YouTubers and because of this, Bethesda doesn’t learn or change because they think a majority of their fans are like Oxhorn who will enjoy any shit they squeeze out. Bethesda invites Oxhorn to every shitty event, gives him free content, and if you look up anything Fallout related on YouTube, he’s most likely the first channel you’ll see. Conman with a lot of power and favored by Bethesda because he kisses their ass like they’re married.
     
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  8. TheAnimeHunter

    TheAnimeHunter First time out of the vault

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    Mar 25, 2021
    I wouldn't know. I used to watch the guys a few years back, back when he was making videos on Fallout 4 lore. Mostly because I assumed I would never actually play Fallout 4 and I was curious what the lore was.

    Who's Emil?
     
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  9. JunjiItosGio

    JunjiItosGio Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Oct 29, 2020
    Emil is Emil Pagliarulo, the guy who wrote Fallout 3 and Fallout 4, amongst other Bethesda games such as Oblivion, Skyrim, some of Fallout 76, and the upcoming Starfield. Basically he’s responsible for the awful writing in those games and most likely Starfield.
     
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  10. Stanislavsky

    Stanislavsky First time out of the vault

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    Mar 7, 2020
    Only heard it towards people that introduced to the series from Fallout 3, and haven't played the first two.
     
  11. eissa

    eissa Artanis "Altáriel" Nerwen Nos Finwe

    Jan 7, 2016
    Someguy series are big hit in Fallout New Vegas modding scene. Same with that other series with title like "depth of depravivty". Because people just like the vibe of high tech cowboy/frontier. Look at the Nuka Break show series (which also being endorsed by New Vegas developers like Tim Cain and C.Avellone). There is reason why they choose to put Mojave Wasteland as the prime setting. Or Fallout Lanius. Post apocalypse setting has been influenced with place that full of desert, sun schorching frontier region with gangs and tribals alike filled the wasteland. Maybe some people doesn't like that much of Androids, Lovecraftian cults, dozens of pseudo-cargo religion worshipping atomic bomb. Maybe some people love the very political nature of New Vegas and the debate surrounding it to this day.

    So fake fallout fan? Maybe some fans were older than late 2010s fallout community.
     
  12. TheAnimeHunter

    TheAnimeHunter First time out of the vault

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    Mar 25, 2021
    I'll never understand why the east-coast fans are so hostile towards west-coast fans.
     
  13. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    A better comparison would be Interplay/Obsidian fans vs Bethesda fans.
     
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  14. JunjiItosGio

    JunjiItosGio Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Oct 29, 2020
    It’s because Bethesda Fallout fans can’t comprehend a good Fallout game. A lot of Fallout fans, including me, found the series through Fallout 3 (some even 4 and 76 now), and so:

    1. They are too stupid to play the originals and give up at the character creation screen so they have no idea about them or they dismiss them entirely because they’re “old” and the newer games are the ones they know best, so they accept any trampling of the lore Bethesda adds because it’s the only lore they know.

    2. Like I said earlier, the only good and proper Fallout game at their disposal is New Vegas, which they deem overrated because of said flaws like the bugs, the voice acting, and the under development, despite the writing, RPG mechanics, plot, DLC, and world building 10x better than any Bethesda Fallout.
     
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  15. Norzan

    Norzan Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Apr 7, 2017
    The funny part is that from experience current New Vegas is much more stable than games like Fallout 3 and specially Skyrim. The latter two are prone to crashing a ton, having quests bugging out and many graphical glitches. But yet in those games according to some people it's fine because it's Bethesda.

    While New Vegas deserved the flak it got at release for being really buggy, Bethesda games are notorious for releasing just as buggy, if not more, and yet so many people are just fine with it. It's hypocritical.

    While New Vegas suffers from the same issue Bethesda games have of having like 10 voice actors, the voice acting is far better than in the Bethesda Fallouts. Liam Neeson sucked in Fallout 3 (because Bethesda seems to think acting in movies suddenly means you can voice act) and a lot of the voice acting is just mediocre. House and Caesar's voice acting is amazing and those alone are better than the entire voice acting in Bethesda games.
     
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