HDTV owners get royal screwjob

brandons1313

It Wandered In From the Wastes
http://gear.ign.com/articles/691/691408p1.html

February 24, 2006 - In perhaps the greatest disservice to the general consumer market yet perpetrated by players in the electronic entertainment industry, it has been revealed that next-generation DVD technologies (HD-DVD and Blu-ray) will only function with monitors and HDTVs with HDMI or DVI connections.
What does that mean to you? If you purchased an HDTV more than a couple of years ago, chances are you are using Component Video (the red, green, and blue plugs) to connect HD sources to your TV. Component Video is an analog transmission, which means that it can't work with the absurdly stringent AACS copy-protection Hollywood has insisted be integrated into the new formats. Thus, no HDMI input on your TV, no hi-def DVD for you. If you don't have a compatible TV, you'll either receive a massively downgraded sub-720p resolution version of the content, or what the studios are suggesting, a warning screen followed by nothing.

Who's to blame for screwing some 3,000,000+ HDTV owners in America that were good consumers and early adopters who purchased TVs without HDMI? A group put together by the major movie studios called Advanced Access Content System (AACS). AACS was responsible for the Reuters report last week that speculated that Sony would miss its spring launch date for the PS3, due to the fact that the AACS had still not finalized the technicalities of the protocol. After a good six months of deliberation since version AACS v.0.9 was put into testing, and only 2 or 3 months away from the supposed release of the first HD-DVD and Blu-ray players, AACS has finally made the baby step of offering provisional licensing to the likes of Sony, Toshiba, and the other early manufactures of hi-def DVD solutions.

Even if you've got an HDTV with HDMI or DVI inputs, it's unlikely your TV has more than one. Just about every HD source these days is best in HDMI, so what are you going to do when both your cable box and next-gen DVD player/PS3 need the same plug? HDMI switchers or enabled receivers are not cheap, or even easy to find. In addition, it would appear that every component involved in the transmission of an HD-DVD/Blu-ray signal must make use of Intel's HDCP technology. This extra level of protection works with the AACS protocols on a hardware level.

Why is this bad? Say you decided to be future proof and purchase a high-end AV receiver with HDMI connections and up-scaling capabilities. Seemed like a good idea last week, but not anymore. Unless it supports HDCP, and it doesn't, because no manufacturers have made HDCP models yet, you won't be routing your HD-DVD or Blu-ray player through it.

Perhaps you're a progressive type and decided to make your media center PC centric. You're screwed too. Even if you purchased a high-end ATI or Nvidia graphics card advertised as HDCP compatible, that all it is: compatible, not compliant. HDCP chips must be bios flashed at the factory, and though these new "compatible" cards have space for a TI HDCP chip, none have them yet. In addition, every link in the chain must be HDCP ready, and only a very few PC monitors have adopted the standard. Get ready to buy both a new high-end graphics card and a new monitor if you want hi-def DVD for your PC.

It gets even worse. At the same time the AACS story came to light, it was discovered that the first wave of next-gen DVD players will not support the "managed copy" option that so many proponents of the new technologies have been hyping. Now that it is apparent Hollywood is willing to absolutely screw more than three million early-adopting consumers (who are probably also some of the best DVD-buyers) is it wrong to be skeptical that the "managed copy" features aren't quite going to be as fully-fledged as we all have hoped, if and when they actually appear? Expect massive downgrades in resolution to be the major movie studio's requirement for any content they allow to escape from the closed AACS-HDCP loop.

This is a dark day for the entire consumer electronics industry. Huge manufacturers like Sony and Toshiba have allowed Hollywood executives to punish consumers for the studios' inability to protect their own content in the wild. Despite the fact that the relationship between movie piracy and the floundering movie theater receipts of recent years has not been proven to be direct, Hollywood is applying an iron fist in their aim to control the next generation of the home-theater experience. You know those previews on DVDs that you can't skip through? That's only the beginning of the ways Hollywood wants to control your entertainment experience.

Consumers shouldn't take this lying down. The difference between HD-DVD and Blu-ray quality and normal DVD isn't huge, especially in light of the rather nice results produced by up-scaling DVD players available today from Oppo, Sony, and others. Should we allow movie studios to force their biggest fans, the early adopters of HDTV and related accessories, to buy entirely new entertainment systems? Is the upgrade even worth it?

Next-gen DVD is looking pretty questionable at this point. Not only do we have a format war to deal with, we've got Hollywood's accounting departments in charge of deciding the minutia of how we're able to enjoy the content we pay for. No copy protection scheme yet developed has been able to stand up to the genius of the hacking collective, and it's unlikely that even AACS and HDCP will last for long. Just long enough, perhaps, to strangle what remains of the traditional disc-based content distribution model and open the door for ubiquitous digital content and on-demand distribution.
 
That's it, from now on I'll be pirating all my movies.

Oh, wait, I have been doing just that for the last 10 years. Now, however, it will be an even greater pleasure.

Despite the fact that the relationship between movie piracy and the floundering movie theater receipts of recent years has not been proven to be direct, Hollywood is applying an iron fist in their aim to control the next generation of the home-theater experience.
Hint: I think it has more to do with the fact that 99% of your movies are complete and utter crap, you fucking morons.
 
Heh, I sincerely doubt this will do much. For one, if this is really that restrictive, this format will bomb in a way unseen since CD-i. Few will purchase these formats just to get poor-quality content on their mucho dineros players, and no company can afford to lose half the market due to things like this. As seen recently in the Sony rootkit scandal, consumers are still powerful enough to enforce great changes. I'd guess that either DVD will have much greater lifespan than expected, or the AACS gives in and will allow their movies to be published without this crap.

Now, besides all this, anyone with an eye for the future will have their media centered around their PC in the future. According to this article every link in the chain will have to be HDCP ready. Hah! There is only a very small chance that this is actually enforcable. I'd imagine that it'll probably take a month or two before a program is released that can simply stream the HD content from the discs to the video card, bypassing those security measures. Hell, all it would probably need to do is make the hardware believe the other hardware is HDCP compliant, and then the content will be released.
 
Technology gets buttfucked by greedy morons, again. And recordable tapes were supposed to be the death of album sales, because people could copy from anyone else. :roll:

No surprise about the BS around technology, as it's been happening to the game industry for years, but it should be interesting to see how the crap the studios are trying to throw our way gets thrown back at them once the end consumer of movies gets told that the system they bought for thousands last year won't work with new DVDs.

Considering the scope of THIS fuck-up...

*grabs some popcorn*
 
Hmm, progressively more ridiculous and constricting rules and enforcements made to squeeze every penny out of the public with little to nothing given in return, and with every new proclamation bringing on more and more public indignation. Kinda reminds me of something.
 
yea disturbing development.

But this wont just affect the HDTV area, soon when Windows Vista comes there will prly be similar restrictions but in the software.
:naughty:
 
What happens when you put people against a wall and say, "You have no choice!"

They say, "Then I guess I won't make a choice." and put their hundreds of dollars back in their wallets.

This is going to be amusing to watch.
 
They say, "Then I guess I won't make a choice." and put their hundreds of dollars back in their wallets.

Choice is the consumers best weapon :)

I hope you are right, but im not sure. People are stupid and many will prly just "go with the flow".
 
People may be dumb, but not everyone can buy another big ass TV when they just bought one 5 years ago or whatever.

I'll stick with what I have, 480p looks pretty damn good to me. It's not HDTV, but good enough. This stuff will find a small audience like BetaMax or Divx (a superior technology that undersold to a cheaper one and a crappy, DRM-style system that didn't sell nearly enough and died.)

We salute you Mr. MPAA man, you are going to create the biggest POS since Divx.
 
Don't Compare Betamax and Divx. Betamax could actually circumvent the primitive copyguards on the tapes of its era becaue of the way its automatic gain control worked. Superior engineering instead of crap like VHS.

Nobody wanted Macrovision on their tapes and now you hardly ever see it on videocassettes. It's easy to subvert on DVD players and on computers (As are the equally inane region codes). Nobody wanted to deal with Dongles (Anyone here remember those things? Rosh, I bet you do! Why? Because nobody wanted a useless limp dick taking up a port on their machine just to run a US-$500 software suite they paid for!

There was a scare like this when Betamax first came out. Sony Versus Universal. The big, evil movie studio (this is not my typical sarcasm) wanted to smutch the new technology that threatened their stranglehold on consumers. They lost. Unfortunately they did manage to ruin some great technologies, such as DAT, Minidisc, audio-component CD recorders (The PC made these thigns moot within 2 years or so), and even DVD to some extent. Their profits will continue to collapse until entire companies collapse from their own weight. To be honest I can't wait for this to start happening. Well, either that or they'll loosen up with their DRM shit and let it flow.

Laserdisc Forever!
 
and i thought those new cd protections on games were a fucking pain in the ass... having to autorun the cd 20 times to have the games i BOUGHT recognised as legal... (yes i have given up & cracked it out of sheer frustration, yay for cracking legaly bought games!)

but this hdtv thing... next generation indeed. either they grow a brain, or end up like CDI and Phantom!

does anyone know if TCPA has anything to do with this brainfart?
 
THAT is ironic.

SONY is the master of "buy us or be screwed over" tactic.

Minidisc?

8 track?

or the famed Memory Stick?

It's funny that when Sega tried a Sony tactic and lost, while Sony won by going open format.

I think market and consumer demands will "eventually" win the day though. People will get what they want, and how they want it no matter what greedy bastards tried to tell them otherwise. Sony is a prime example. If there are more competition in the console market, then one of few money makers for the company will probably take a nose dive.
 
Release date for blue ray is May 23rd. $30+ retail for a movie. No thanks. You think they could have chosen a much better launch lineup than that to show off the capability of the technology.


http://gear.ign.com/articles/692/692478p1.html

Sony Announces Blu-ray Launch Date
Date and first titles revealed.
by Gerry Block

February 28, 2006 - Sony announced that it will launch Blu-ray disks in North America on May 23rd, less than three months from now. On this day, Sony will make eight titles available from its two major movie studies, Sony Pictures and MGM.

The eight titles are: XXX, Resident Evil Apocalypse, 50 First Dates, The Fifth Element, A Knight's Tale, The Last Waltz, Hitch, and House of Flying Daggers.

A second set of titles will follow a few weeks later on June 13th, and will include Robocop, SWAT, Stealth, Species, Legends of the Fall, Terminator, and Kung Fu Hustle.

On the May 23rd launch date, the only available Blu-ray player expected to be available for purchase will be the Samsung BD-P1000. Sony and Pioneer expect to have players available soon afterwards.

Sony has not, and apparently will not, set an MSRP price for their Blu-ray releases. Wholesale sales to retail have been set at $23.95 for new releases and $17.95 for the back catalog. Estimates suggest that this will translate to around $30+ at retail.
 
shiiit $30+ retail for a movie :shock:

Insanity in my book :)
I mean the discussion today is that the prices are to high and then do the direct opposite and make a 30% raise doesn't sound to smart?
 
The eight titles are: XXX, Resident Evil Apocalypse, 50 First Dates, The Fifth Element, A Knight's Tale, The Last Waltz, Hitch, and House of Flying Daggers.

A second set of titles will follow a few weeks later on June 13th, and will include Robocop, SWAT, Stealth, Species, Legends of the Fall, Terminator, and Kung Fu Hustle.

What a bizarre list. I can't imagine how anyone thought that any of the first eight movies would give anyone any incentive to buy their crap (except for baby boomers and The Last Waltz, I guess). "OMG, A Knight's Tale!!!!! MUST BUY BLU-RAY!!!!"

The second batch is a little more cohesive, but still, what the hell? I guess this is why I'm not a businessman, I can't understand a world in which thousands of idiots are clamoring to aquire action movies that run the scale of good to decent to downright awful, just so they can watch them once in EXTREME RESOLUTION and then let them collect dust for 20 years. Seriously, who would pay ~$80 to watch any of those? The only movies on that list that I enjoyed I've already seen on tv so many times that someone would have to pay me to watch them again.
 
Ugh. It's a new medium, hence it's expensive in comparison with the most popular medium. As soon as demand gets higher, prices will drop due to less costs per produced disc and more competition, as long as Blu-Ray players are barely available and no-one really wants one, prices will stay at this level. Simple market economy.
 
I wonder how many jumpers there will be when payday arives a week after earnings plummit for those backwards corporations. Perhaps maybe Sony and the like are actually trying to do some good by giving us a hint to not spend our lives watching movies and playing games? If not, they might as well be with this shit.
 
John Uskglass said:
(except for baby boomers and The Last Waltz, I guess)
House of Flying Daggers and Zhang Yimou in general is genius.

LOL

Tell that to the Chinese people.

What is amusing is that Zhang is more famous among Chinese people for his comedies, underdog stories and turn of the century cultural conflicts, not blatant attempt to copy Ang Li so he can win a Oscar.

Personally, I like HFD more than Hero, but Andy Lau is like Jet Li, meaning they need to think about recasting their own "hero" roles.

The whole Ang Li and his CTHD debacle has literally shaken the entire Chinese movies to pieces. A lot of movie people didn't see CTHD as a very good film. So for the last few years, all the big shot directors came out with big, and bigger budget martial arts flicks that is usually done to death by HK films. Hero started, and Jet Li immediatly signed up, fearing to lose another chance to win a possible Oscar. Then there is Hero of Heaven and Earth, House of FD, and finally the lastest, and the Largest budgeted Chinese film ever made, The Promise.

But The Promise might still win a few awards internationally, because subtitles helps to cover a lot of bad dialogue and voice acting. The dialogue is so bad and delievered so horribly, that during one of the most dramatic scene in the film, the entire audience cracked up. Can you say LOL? :lol:

If it does get released internationally, which is extremely likely, you should watch it at least once for its cinamatography, and its customs design, which is gorgeous.

A big thumbs up for another lame attempt to win Oscars.
 
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