Hey kids, this is how you take the guts out of a sheep.
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Ravager69 said:
I know biology to. What specific materials do you think a vegi diet lacks? I don't really want to get into an argument over this, I respect the life choice of meat eaters, but don't like my diet to be seen negatively.
welsh
Junkmaster
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Perhaps, but what worries me is the reaction of the kids. I am not sure if kids can get past the emotional connection that frequently comes with caring for an animal. Afterall this is an age when girls are still playing with dolls. Let them get a bit older before exposing them to all the blood and guts.
Perhaps, but what worries me is the reaction of the kids. I am not sure if kids can get past the emotional connection that frequently comes with caring for an animal. Afterall this is an age when girls are still playing with dolls. Let them get a bit older before exposing them to all the blood and guts.
dude101 said:
Proteins, vitamin B12, Omega 3 'fatty acids' (in fish, mostly).
If you're a Vegan, then also Calcium and Vitamin D.
Wooz said:
Yes, I am a Vegan power lifter and athlete funnily enough
. all of the above can be sourced naturally, minus B12 which has to be supplemented, and before anyone argues that is unnatural, consider your clean film wrapped meat and ready meals. I was waiting on some more informed arguments such as DHA and hemi-iron, but no matter.I had a blood test fairly recently, which my doctor didn't like as he does not approve of my diet: virtually no cholesterol, perfect blood and higher than average testosterone.
I don't really want to post pictures, but can if anyone calls me on the above. I am friends with many vegan strongmen, power lifters, runners, cyclists and a world champion vegan body builder (clean) in RL, most of who are doing this to spite you.
Then we must wipe the world clean of you, vegan filth. (<-joke)
Anyway - killing and eating animals *was* neccessary for a *long* time. And besides, if an animal was to kill and eat a human to survive, it wouldn't think twice, so I guess we shouldn't have guilty conscience.
As for the whole gutting stuff - I think older kids should participate in this.
Anyway - killing and eating animals *was* neccessary for a *long* time. And besides, if an animal was to kill and eat a human to survive, it wouldn't think twice, so I guess we shouldn't have guilty conscience.
As for the whole gutting stuff - I think older kids should participate in this.
Ravager69 said:
it was and I agree is still necessary in some places. Animals have no concept of right and wrong, and are innocent because of that, so the whole "the cow would kill me if it could" argument is void. Meat eating is fine, I just choose another doable path.
Ehm, what? Most people who eat meat don't give two shits about it being 'natural', it's the vegans that care about stuff - hence why it's fun to point out that supplements are unnatural. It's irrelevant for the meat-eaters, only relevant to the vegans and vegetarians.Dude101 said:Yes, I am a Vegan power lifter and athlete funnily enough
Good for you.Dude101 said:
This has no bearing on the development of children and food requirements for them.
Also interesting to note - one of the reasons the human race developed the capabilities it has is because it had a mixed diet of both meat and plants.
By the by, there's this retarded TV show here where they take a trailer trash-type family and throw them in an African tribe. I caught a glimpse of it last week - 40-year-old mother and 14-year-old son are protecting a wounded baby deer (or somesuch) from the tribe who want to kill it because they're hungry. Kid goes about crying 'these people are stupid, they're idiots' without ever stopping to think where all that meat he eats at home comes from.
Yes, kids should get to see this. 7 is a bit young, though.
I think this is a good idea provided their parents have no moral issues with it. By moral issues i don't me 'i don't want my kid to see that' i mean an actual reason. When i was growing up i spent a lot of time on my uncles farm and saw all this from probably five upwards. It never did me any harm.
Dracon M'Alkir
Vault Senior Citizen
Moral or unmoral, almost everything within the human body consists of protein, and that requires what to create? That's right, amino acids, that you get from doing what? Digesting other protein.
If you don't consume amino acids, you will end up having your body eat itself, by stripping first your less needed muscles, such as on the biceps or near the extremities. Then the linings of the intestines, liver, and everything else; save the heart and brain for last. After that organ failure occurs, and then death.
So while the completely vegetarian lifestyle seems appealing, it's really a simple way to kill yourself, slowly.
If you don't consume amino acids, you will end up having your body eat itself, by stripping first your less needed muscles, such as on the biceps or near the extremities. Then the linings of the intestines, liver, and everything else; save the heart and brain for last. After that organ failure occurs, and then death.
So while the completely vegetarian lifestyle seems appealing, it's really a simple way to kill yourself, slowly.
Surely you are not serious?
I beg to differ.
And strike 2 for Yoshi for trolling.
Learn to argue normally and stop just posting annoying one-liners.
Also, your sig is much too big so I'm removing it.
Learn to argue normally and stop just posting annoying one-liners.
Also, your sig is much too big so I'm removing it.
You don't need animals for protein. The above are complete sources, which exceed the 8 essential amino acids and contain all 20. I mix and match my sources from various incomplete foods, as well as use some of the above.
Correct. What you seem to be missing is the concept that all living things contain protein. All genetic code is made from your nice amino acids that we need. All respiration cycles are catalysed by enzymes. It's true to say that muscles tissue etc. of animals provides an easily digestible source of many of the required proteins and amino acids, however it's no true to say it is an exclusive source. It is perfectly possible, plausible and in no way harmful for you to not eat said animals provided you figure out where all your essentials come from. Ok for a few you may need to take supplements, which are not natural and may contradict the ethos of some vegans who taken them. I would not disagree with than and personally think vegetarianism etc. is silly, however that has nothing to do with it's nutritional credibility. Does it?
What do you mean by this? Simply put your wrong, your body will not 'eat itself' without amino acids. I can't really expand on this criticism because there isn't really a point to criticise.
Can you find ONE example reported by a credible media source, documenting such a process in ANY person living in a developed country, with a plentiful range of foods from which to choose from as their diet dictates? No you can't.
Rubbish. The life expectancy in the countries with the highest percentage of vegetarians, is invariably AT LEAST comparable to countries with fewer vegetarians and in a similar level of development. For example Nepal has >90% Hindu/ Buddhist population, many of whom are vegetarian. Nepal certainly has one of the highest percentages of vegetarians. Nepal also has a life expectancy of around 60 years, which considering the development of the country is very respectable.
I challenge you to find my one significantly sized region, or country with a large vegetarian population and compare it to a similarly developed one based on life expectancy. I also challenge you to find me one piece of conclusive scientific study that shows a balanced vegetarian diet is bad and is 'a simple way to kill yourself, slowly'.
I hope that’s more constructive than my previous post, not that your
daft conjecture dissevered my oh-so-valuable time!
Well, your body will "eat itself" if you lack SUGAR and FAT for a long period of time, because they are used to obtain energy required to sustain your life. Proteins are used as an energy source only if all other sources are gone. Without enough aminoacids you will just be frail and weak, especially if you are vegetarian from an early age.
My friend is a vegan and she has health issues because of it, so not everyone can be a vegan and be a-OK.
Also, I recall some cult in the US that didn't feed their kids meat and those kids died or had serious issues in an early age. I won't give you more insight unfortunatly, as I heard it from my biology teacher loong time ago and don't remember exactly the details.
My friend is a vegan and she has health issues because of it, so not everyone can be a vegan and be a-OK.
Also, I recall some cult in the US that didn't feed their kids meat and those kids died or had serious issues in an early age. I won't give you more insight unfortunatly, as I heard it from my biology teacher loong time ago and don't remember exactly the details.
When i was a kid i used to see chicken and pigs get slaughtered all the time, my grandparents had all sorts of animals raised for one reason: food. I remember that after the pig was killed, it was burned on the outside (the skin) then split in half. Then, us kids got to take the bladder of the pig, washed it out, filled it with some corn seeds, inflated it and leave it to dry. It retained the shape of a balloon but it became hard as the skin dried. Then it became a fun toy to have around. You could also choose to play with internal organs but it became boring after a while.
Well, now since you brought this up, I remember my grandma' used to kill chickens pretty often. The most disturbing part was when she beheaded it and it still ran around for some time, and other chickens pecked it until it stopped moving.
Oh, and I did see a pig get killed once. My cousin smashed it head with a big hammer (although I didn't see it precisely, because it's head was behind a box or something). That could explain why I kill all those people, but I'm not sure.
Oh, and I did see a pig get killed once. My cousin smashed it head with a big hammer (although I didn't see it precisely, because it's head was behind a box or something). That could explain why I kill all those people, but I'm not sure.
Ravager69 said:
Well, you should have seen MY grandma' killing rabbits. It was when I was a kid. She had to give the beasts several hits at the nape of the neck (normally, one hit is enough...she already was pretty old when I saw her doing this... a scene that reminded of the diner with grandpa in "The Texas Chain Saw Massacre").
Then she removed the skin like you would take a sock off (and that reminded me of Leatherface).
Yes, a healthy vegan lifestyle is possible, but it's more difficult to achieve for most people than the mixed default. If you decide to drop animal products altogether, you better know the appropriate substitutes, especially if you're trying to indoctrinate your child.
On topic: 7 is a bit early. Knowing where the food comes from is important, but showing it to a random modern preschooler is just asking for trouble across the entire range from traumatisation to the kid applying what they've learned to the older sister's pet guinea pig.
On topic: 7 is a bit early. Knowing where the food comes from is important, but showing it to a random modern preschooler is just asking for trouble across the entire range from traumatisation to the kid applying what they've learned to the older sister's pet guinea pig.