Homeopathy, or: How To Make Money Selling Water

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Mankind has seen many scams throughout its history. Fake insurance agencies, Faith healings, Astrology, Tarot, Poland, ... The list goes on and on.
Yet, no scam has ever grown to the scale of the current Homeopathic industry. A multi-billion business, selling the only thing that's about as cheap as air: water.

A lot of people think homeopathy has something to do with herbal healing. Or using medical alternatives. Or generical alternatives, perhaps.

None of that.

The problem is that very few people actually know what homeopathy is. It's a sort of trend, really. It's fashionable. Like Omega-3. Like Active Bifidus. Nobody knows what the hell it is, but it sounds kinda scientific, so it has to be good.

So, for the sake of spreading science, I will know explain what homeopathy is.

First, I will start by giving the four golden rules of homeopathy:

1. Ten
2. All illnesses can be cured by means of 'similars'
3. Every medicine has to be diluted
4. The more diluted it is, the stronger it is.

Allright, now let me get deeper into these rules.

1. Ten

Ten. That's the first rule of homeopathy. Everything has to be ten. Ten is the magic number of homeopathy. Now, the fact that this so-called 'science' actually beliefs in a magic number says enough for me. But hey, let's move on:

All illnesses can be cured by means of 'similars'

Let's take a hypothetical situation to illustrate this:

Let's say some doctors are doing scientific research on diseases and symptoms.
So, they hire a test person, and give him a jerrican of motor oil to drink. They observe:
1. His head swells up like a balloon
2. His face turns black
3. He faints every twenty minutes.

Ok, so let's fast forward:

A patient goes to the doctor. "Doctor," he says, "I've been having the wierdest trouble lately. For one, my head has swollen up like a balloon."
"Eh eh," the doctor says.
"Secondly, my face has turned black."
"Aaaah," the doctor says, "and do you happen to faint every twenty minutes?"
"Yes doctor!", the man answers, pleased to have such an intelligent doctor, "I do!"
"Well," the doctor says, "then you have probably drank a jerrycan of motor oil lately, have you?"
"Yes... Yes I have, doctor", the man says, lightly embarrased.

"No problem.", the doctor says. "I have the perfect cure for you. Let me prescribe you some motor oil."



Does this make any sense to you? I thought not.
Yet, this is the way homeopathy works. They fight fire with fire, or use -in their own words- "similars" to 'cure' diseases. If one has trouble sleeping, for instance, they prescribe caffeine. That's how homeopathy works.

That's not all, though:

3. Every medicine has to be diluted

Allright, so the doctor prescribes motor oil. He doesn't just give the man his motor oil like that, though.

First, he takes one measure of motor oil, and ten measures of water. (ten, because ten is the maaaaagic number.) He puts both in a container of some sort, and shakes it.

He shakes it upwards and downwards, ten times.
He shakes it from left to right, ten times.
He shakes it back and forth, ten times.

All three dimensions, you see. Why? I don't know. Must be another 'magical' thing.

Allright, after that it's sufficiently shaken. Then, he takes 1/10th of the mixture he just made, and adds ten measures of water.

And he shakes it again, in all three dimensions.
*shucka schuka*

Then, he takes one tenth of thàt mixture, and adds ten measurments of water.

And he shakes it again.

And so, he repeats this process enough times to comply to the rules of homeopathy. It is shaken, and diluted further, 10 to the power of 24 times.

So that's 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 times.

And then you're medicine is ready. A fully prepared, homeopathic medicine. Good for what ails ya.

Now, let's take for an instant I actually believe they shake it that many times for real. (because I don't, see.)
Anyone who has a basic grasp of natural science, will probably know that there will most likely be as good as nothing left of the original "medicine" in the solution. Heck, perhaps still a molecule or two, I don't know. Perhaps someone who studies engineering should find that out, sometimes.

But hey, wait up! The fun doesn't end here. Not all, very few actually, of homeopathic 'medicine' is sold in fluid form. Actually, most of them are pills.
So how does that work, you ask? Well, very simple. See, you take that 10^24 times diluted medicine, and a dripper. You know, like you'd use for eye drips.
You fill it up with the medicine, and you put a tiny little drip of it on every pill.

Now, the mathematical requirements of this are way beyond me, but I think the chances of a single molecule of the 'similar' actually landing on a pill is quite, probably near infinitely, small.

But that's no problem, see. Because the 'vibrations' of the similar are still in that drip of water.

Oh yeah. The 'vibrations'. Aren't your fears taken away now. Now, I've only had high school physics, but I don't see what the hell this has anything to do with vibrations. I really don't.

It's just one of those fancy words they use in scams, I think. Like quantummechanics, for instance. Used by a lot of consters too, that one. I doubt a single one of them actually knows what the hell quantummechanics is.

Now, on to rule four:

4. The more diluted it is, the stronger

Basically, this means that if you dilute it even more than 10^24 times, it becomes even stronger. I'm not going to comment on this, because the stupidity is making my head hurt.
But hey, I heard some guy in my street had a homeopathic medicine overdose by not taking his medicine!

*sigh*


Now let's see... I happen to have a glass of tap water, right in front of me on my desk here.

Ok, so that water's billions of years old now, isn't it?

So that means it has most certainly made contact with every known substance to man, right?

And that it has been diluted to epic proportions, right?

OH MY GOD! IT'S THE MOST POWERFUL HOMEOPATHIC CURE EVER!

Quick, let's go give it to my neighbour who has cancer!
 
Ah. Never mind, then Jebus, I thought you were talking about all the natural healing stuff (ie. the stuff that doesn't work with the whole dilution stuff). I knew about this, just didn't know it was what is referred to by homeopathy. *shrugs*
 
What really pisses me off about this, though, is that certified doctors actually prescribe this stuff. It's not only utter bullshit, you see, but it's dangerous too. People could die of this.

If they haven't already.
 
People can't die of things so far diluted. It'd now be down to a few molecules, no-one can possibly die from a few molecules of anything ('cept for anti-matter, but that would've exploded during the dilution anyway), not even the strongest poison.
 
Uhm... Sander... That was actually sorta the point of my entire page-long rant...

What I mean is that people could die of lack of real medicine...
 
Ah. That bit. Well, possibly. If so, those doctors should be removed from their positions and never be allowed to practice medicine again.

I don't think there's any discussion about that....
 
Jebus said:
Now, the mathematical requirements of this are way beyond me, but I think the chances of a single molecule of the 'similar' actually landing on a pill is quite, probably near infinitely, small.
It's not as small as you think, simply because of how many molecules there are in a given amount of any substance.
An example my high school science teacher used to give was that if you fill a glass full of water from the sea, there will be more water molecules in that glass than there are glasses of water in the sea. I can't verify the accuracy of that statement though.

The chances of there being enough molecules to have any real effect on the body is pretty remote though.

Talking about "Vibrations", surely shaking the so many times will destroy the original vibrations? ;)
 
It's not as small as you think, simply because of how many molecules there are in a given amount of any substance.
An example my high school science teacher used to give was that if you fill a glass full of water from the sea, there will be more water molecules in that glass than there are glasses of water in the sea. I can't verify the accuracy of that statement though.
It depends on the substance, but it IS as small as he thinks, Big_T. to^24 is immensely huge.
 
Sander said:
It depends on the substance, but it IS as small as he thinks, Big_T. to^24 is immensely huge.

Heck, I've actually even heard of numbers as large as 10^1500. Now, of course I don't really believe they actually shake that shit that many times. But then again, no way in hell they're going to shake it 10^24 times either, so that's actually a non-issue.

It's a sickening scam, that's all there's to it.

And it's everywhere. Everywhere. It's like the biggest hit since penicilline.

Damn.
 
Sander said:
It depends on the substance, but it IS as small as he thinks, Big_T. to^24 is immensely huge.
Yes 10^24 is huge. But, for instance 10g/10ml of water contains ~3.3 x 10^23 molecules.
Thus the chances far from "infinitely small".

Calculation: 10g / 18.015g * 6.023*10^23 = 334332500693866222592284.20760477 = 3.3*10^23
18.015g is the weight of 1 mole of water.
6.023*10^23 is Avogadro's number, the number of molecules in one mole of a substance.
May be slightly wrong, it's a while since I did A level Chemistry.
:P
 
In other words, there are 3.3*10^24 in 180 grams of water. That's about the amount of water in such a bottle, I'd estimate, and since there is then one molecule of the substance per 10^24 molecules of water, there are therefore about 3.3 molecules of the substance in that solution. :P
 
And take in account that water is then divided into drops of something around 3-5 ml, and you've got yourself a *very* tiny chance.

So Sander, how big would that chance be, then?


(I hate math)
 
once upon a time i was prescribed something like that for my allergies. it helped, although one cannot be certain if it's just the placebo effect or something else.

also, i was nine or something and the pills were like small candy, so i couldn't wait for my next dose :p

in retrospect i'm amased it worked, but i cannot deny it worked for me...
 
Don't forget that molecules of the "similar" aren't evenly distributed along the entire volume of the solution. Chances are, some pills will be way more "powerful" than the others. Solution? Drink all the pills at once. Or better yet, drink none and go see a real doctor.
 
I've actually heard something about having to swallow 16 full olympic swimming pools of pills to be sure that you've swallowed at least one molecule.

But then again, that's coming from James Randi. He's a good man, but sometimes he kinda has the tendency to be the Michael Moore of the sceptic movement...
 
Jebus said:
It's fashionable. Like Omega-3. Like Active Bifidus. Nobody knows what the hell it is, but it sounds kinda scientific, so it has to be good.

wtf is omega-3?

and most importantly: where can i buy it? it sounds cool. it sounds like something i could be in need of. :P
 
alec said:
Jebus said:
It's fashionable. Like Omega-3. Like Active Bifidus. Nobody knows what the hell it is, but it sounds kinda scientific, so it has to be good.

wtf is omega-3?

and most importantly: where can i buy it? it sounds cool. it sounds like something i could be in need of. :P

It's a fatty acid that is supposedly *good* for you, mostly found in fish and the like. As I refuse to eat seafood, I cant really elaborate on that fact. Fatty anything doesnt sound too good to me, considering the amount of fat an average American eats ANYWAYS. Then again I could be wrong.

As for selling...homeopathy or no, buying water is fairly absurd, unless its the sort of flavored or seltzer water you enjoy.

Dasani: British purified sewer water. Take out the harmful ingredients, remarket it as being "filtered".
 
Fireblade said:
Fatty anything doesnt sound too good to me, considering the amount of fat an average American eats ANYWAYS. Then again I could be wrong.
..and you are. :lol:
There are certain specific oils and fats that the body needs to run properly, or certainly needs to run at peak efficiency. It's nothing to do with the volume of fat you eat, it's a specific chemical that just happens to be a fat (or fat based acid).
Dasani: British purified sewer water. Take out the harmful ingredients, remarket it as being "filtered".
Not really "sewer water", although much of it will have gone through sewage plants. It's just standard tap water, filtered and purified so it is as close to pure water as possible.
That would be good, I could see a point in that.
The stupid thing is that they then add impurities (or more specifically minerals) to make it a mineral water.
I could see health/fitness freaks buying distilled water, I can't see them buying manufactured mineral water when they could just buy another mineral water.
 
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