Homogenous Character Design

The Vault Dweller said:
I wonder if it's a secret anti-anime thing. I mean really Western (American and European) vs. Eastern (Japan) games is a big rift.

Everyone's seen the long haired protagonists in JRPG's. Most of them to the point of being unrealistic from a functional perspective.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller

I dunno, I have not seen that many protagonists with hair unfunctionally long. Villains, on the other hand, always have ridiculous hair, cause they're just THAT badass.
 
Because they're gonna release a game with a new technology that'll be able to render long hair strand by strand or something, making it look pretty cool. Then everybody would be like: OMG look (eyecandy everywhere!) my hair is blowing in the wind! or OMG my hair is on fire! And the games would sell well.

Either that or it's pretty easy to render a bald head.
 
Umm, there's plenty of games on PS2 and PS3 that render hair pretty darn well. Have you seen Advent Children?
 
I want an action/shooter game where the protagonist is either a) Tim Gunn from Project Runway or b) Mikey Teutel from American Chopper.
 
Eyenixon said:
You best be trollin'.
Difference between rendering well and rendering easily bro.

Agreed. But then, I guess, this says something about the amount of effort people are willing to put into certain games versus others?
 
Ausdoerrt said:
Umm, there's plenty of games on PS2 and PS3 that render hair pretty darn well. Have you seen Advent Children?
Sorry what? Advent Children was a movie that certainly was not rendered on a PS2 or PS3.

Edit: I am assuming, of course, that you are referring to the movie Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, and not some game called simply Advent Children which I have never heard of.
 
Meh. Hairstyles have more to do with the time's fashion than anything else. Short hair seems to be the norm in a toughguy kind of character nowadays, that's it.

It used to be short and wavy in the 50's, long hair in the 70's, and ridiculous haircuts in the 80's. There's lots of animated movies and games that come out of Japan with razor sharp spiky hair, other games have characters that sport emo-ish haircuts.

Attributing a decade's 'manliness' canons to developers' supposed laziness is, gently speaking, not a wise thing to do.

And that Mass Effect inclusion makes no sense, you could choose your sex, skin color and hairstyle in the game, nobody forced you to be Bruce Willis.
 
Kyuu said:
Ausdoerrt said:
Umm, there's plenty of games on PS2 and PS3 that render hair pretty darn well. Have you seen Advent Children?
Sorry what? Advent Children was a movie that certainly was not rendered on a PS2 or PS3.

Edit: I am assuming, of course, that you are referring to the movie Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, and not some game called simply Advent Children which I have never heard of.

...was rendered completely on a PS3 to show off capabilities before it launched. If you saw any other Square PS3 games, they look similar.

But, I'll have to agree with Wooz, attributing it to laziness may be a stretch, and the topic is getting derailed as fuck.
 
Ausdoerrt said:
...was rendered completely on a PS3 to show off capabilities before it launched. If you saw any other Square PS3 games, they look similar.
Never heard of that, and I haven't turned up anything with (an admittedly quick) search. They were rendering scenes from Advent Children in real-time? That's... hard to believe.
[...] the topic is getting derailed as fuck.
Well... okay. Yeah, bald and grizzled is a popular design for a tough guy. The look fits the intended result. More than a few of those are obviously ludicrous, and most are easily differentiated even with the similarity in baldness. I don't really see the big debate point. Wooz is right, which isn't surprising seeing as how he is the resident art critic/expert.
 
Kyuu said:
Ausdoerrt said:
...was rendered completely on a PS3 to show off capabilities before it launched. If you saw any other Square PS3 games, they look similar.
Never heard of that, and I haven't turned up anything with (an admittedly quick) search. They were rendering scenes from Advent Children in real-time? That's... hard to believe.

Well, I don't know the details, and I heard about it a while ago, could be complete bullshit for all I know. For sure though, the movie was used quite a lot in the PS3 marketing.

So yeah. But, with all honesty, I wouldn't find it too hard to believe, since, afaik, cutscenes for PS3 games are rendered real-time? May be completely wrong.
 
Cutscenes in PS3 games are either pre-rendered or no where near good enough to make a DVD movie out of them.

If it was done on PS3 there would of been more than one of them and it wouldn't of been rendered in real time.
 
I thought they largely moved away from pre-rendered cutscenes now >__< Ohwell.

From what I remember, cutscenes for Gears of War and Last Remnant are real-time, but those are XBawX/PC games.
 
The big thing is doing everything in engine with the same assets. So you do generally get a mix of real time cutscenes and pre-renders. Real time ones save massive amounts of space while the pre renders allow way more stuff going on.
 
Shaved head = military = war / badass. Wierd emo hair = masturbation = cut / cry. Making shooters with emo in them makes no sense.
 
monsharen said:
Shaved head = military = war / badass. Wierd emo hair = masturbation = cut / cry. Making shooters with emo in them makes no sense.

But you can surely tag "military/war/badass" with masturbation too. Could even be a syllogism:

Military badasses are masturbatory.
Masturbation is emo.
Hence, Military badasses are emo.
 
i think the main reason is that the character designers lack creativity, or are forced by the marketing/publishers/rest of the development to make the characters "cool" or "badass" than actual laziness.

Why cant we have a guy with a long hair and a ponytail brutally murder demons/zombies/nazis/aliens/soldiers ?
 
Patton89 said:
i think the main reason is that the character designers lack creativity, or are forced by the marketing/publishers/rest of the development to make the characters "cool" or "badass" than actual laziness.

Why cant we have a guy with a long hair and a ponytail brutally murder demons/zombies/nazis/aliens/soldiers ?

and call it "Steven Segal may cry?"
 
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