Horror films and the academy award

welsh

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I saw this while going through the NY TImes web page and though, hmmm... kind of neat. SO what do you think.

There has been quite a bit of work done on horror films and their appeal- some of that is developed here.

February 28, 2004
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
Big Movies, Bad Dreams
By COLIN McGINN

ach year the Academy Awards raise the same question: why is it that so many commercially successful films receive so little critical acclaim? Why, say, does "Titanic" win for best picture but "Aliens" gets nowhere, despite being made by the same director, James Cameron? The general assumption seems to be that such popular fare is flawed artistically — that it is inept, poorly acted, shoddily produced. But that is surely false; often such films are imaginative and expertly made. Nor would it be correct to say that they fail to engage our deeper concerns. So, what's the problem?

I have a theory: these critically neglected films tap most forcefully into a dreamlife we'd prefer to keep under wraps. A typical anxiety dream, for example, closely resembles a horror or suspense film, and we have no wish to dignify this aspect of our nature with some sort of award. Sex and violence are also elements of our baser dreaming selves, so a movie that evokes these themes is apt to strike a nerve of embarrassment. As a result, we repress these movies, just as we repress the materials of our more shameful dreams.

Sure, we still go to see them. After all, they enable us to engage with the fears, anxieties, lusts, childish exhilarations and delusions of power that occur in our dreams. But don't we also joke about enjoying these films? And don't we refuse to honor them?

Critical inattention, then, is a form of collective repression. I don't mean in the Freudian sense that we disguise our true unconscious feelings in our dreams — indeed, I think these feelings are only too apparent — but rather in the sense that we don't want these feelings to be rewarded. We are dream puritans, and this attitude conditions our feelings about the movies we like or esteem.

Of course, there are exceptions. This year, for example, "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" improbably combines a strongly dreamlike content with critical acclaim. But the movie exempts itself from the usual opprobrium because it enjoys a solid literary pedigree and because it stresses another aspect of our attitude toward our dreams — our tendency to associate them with the spiritual. For most of pre-Freudian history the dream was taken as a route to the divine, and this noble connotation still survives in attenuated form. When violent movies are exempted, it is perhaps because they are historical or documentary in nature, and laden with conscience ("Gladiator," "Platoon").

But the movie that sticks to the primordial dream formula — inarticulate, visceral, guilt-free — is still the one most likely to triumph at the box office, and to suffer the corresponding critical disdain. Don't expect the remake of "Dawn of the Dead" to win big at the Oscars any time soon.

Colin McGinn, a professor of philosophy at Rutgers, is writing a book about movies and dreams.
 
Speaking of that, I think Peter Jackson should have been given an Academy Award for Braindead. The lawnmower scene is one of the best scenes in any movie, ever.
 
If Jackson should've been given an award for any movie it should've been "Meet the feebles". Just because the "feebles" are so horrible (and not in the quality or artistic sense either).

And really, most horror flicks (though not Aliens) really *are* artistically flawed...
 
I agree, most horror movies are more than artistically flawed but really suck.

Every once and awhile you get a horror/thriller film that beats the genre label. I think Silence of the Lambs was one film that beat expectations, but then so was The Exorcist.

That said, there have been some pretty good horror films out over the past few years.
 
welsh said:
That said, there have been some pretty good horror films out over the past few years.

Not from the US, as far as I know. It's all campy.

myrrdin said:
If Jackson should've been given an award for any movie it should've been "Meet the feebles". Just because the "feebles" are so horrible (and not in the quality or artistic sense either).

The Feebles is prolly Jackson's best flick. Bad Taste sucked. Braindead rocked too, tho'
 
hmmm.....

Actually, I thought 28 Days Later didn't live up to the hype.

The Others was surprisingly good, well better than I expected.

I liked Signs.

The Sixth Sense was pretty good.

The Blair Witch Project might be slammed today but was a pretty big hit when it came out.

I liked Joy Ride a lot.

Haven't seen Ginger Snaps yet, sorry.
 
welsh said:
Haven't seen Ginger Snaps yet, sorry.

Ginger Snaps is Canadian, not American

And I thought you were talking really recently, as in since 9/11.

Notice how the entire film industry has pretty much sucked since 9/11. Really, these past few years have been terrible years for film, especially in the US, but other countries (except India) have no choice but to follow
 
Wooz69 said:
And notice the overflow of epic war movies.

Movies, like any art, are a reflection of society

Paul Verhoeven left Hollywood a while back. He originally went to Hollywood (to make Robocop) because Hollywood was a lot more daring and open than the rather hypocritical attitude of Holland, but it seems Holland's doing better than Hollywood now...

Fact is, current Hollywood movie-making reflects that the American society now is focused on being purely uniform (being too different is dangerous in a time when fear of what's exceptional prevails) and very safe (dangerous statements, after all, are a no-no, hence the big meh on the society-critical Gangs of New York and Elephant)

Epic war movies, however, are safe, bland and patriotic.
 
Kharn wrote:
Epic war movies, however, are safe, bland and patriotic.

And therefore disgusting, contributing to other brainwash propaganda making people believe that war is K3wl. I remember the TV show "the A team", where the four viet vets unleashed bullet armageddon on their foes with never ever killing anyone, the show never showed a gory scene nor the effects that an m14 burst have on a human being. It all came down to a precious victory without casualities, the bad guys always ended up in jail.
(an exception here is "saving private ryan" but, as you may have noticed, it was pre-9/11)

IMO, the more the cinematic industry will assimilate itself to television standards, telenovelas or MTV movie clips (I'm thinking movies like "fast and furious" "SWAT" and comic book remakes), the more it will become yet another version of the classical panem et circensis shows (soccer, for one): all show, no message.

The academy should focus itself on rewarding more the most innovative films rather than pleasing the "moral majority".
 
I think a lot of that is simply a matter of money and less a sociological statement.

Movies are like other forms of entertainment, yes a reflection of a society, but also an economic good.

The more money that gets invested in a movie, the more it has be made to commercial tastes so that it is more likely to bring in a profit. Risk is expensive, and risky multimillion dollar films are too dangerous for studios.

Incidently I am not defending this.

But then you get the independent films which are more risky and move the industry, or at least hopefully influence the industry. But even these indie flicks can become typecast. In sundance the thing is "being hip" while a movie like Northfork gets overlooked.

As for war movies, I wouldn't go so far about the idea of patriotism. In fact, if there was a patriotic war film, Saving Private Ryan fits the mold better than it's competitor- A Thin Red Line- which seemed to make a rather value neutral statement that war was really just a matter of man's horrific nature. Then you have a film like Three Kings, which was pretty anti-war and fairly anti-patriotic, but probably the best of the Gulf War films.
 
welsh said:
As for war movies, I wouldn't go so far about the idea of patriotism.

Well... you also have crap like "Pearl Harbor". And all those old, really quite hilarious, war flicks portraying asians as ugly animals who are "teh evil".
 
Cause those movies didn't focus on the actual battles. There was like no combat at all. I would hardly call those "war movies." They just happened to take place at the same time as a war.
 
CC said:
If that where true, then why would movies like the Pianist, Schindlers List and such be met with such acclaim?

If *what* were true?

Who are you replying to?

welsh said:
I think a lot of that is simply a matter of money and less a sociological statement.

Not sociological statement, it reflects on society

And commercial succes, even moreso than awards, reflect on society. Look at it this way: Movies want to be economically viable, To be economically viable, they have to be accessible by the masses. Because of those two things, movies, commercially succesfull or not, will necessarily reflect on society.

welsh said:
As for war movies, I wouldn't go so far about the idea of patriotism. In fact, if there was a patriotic war film, Saving Private Ryan fits the mold better than it's competitor- A Thin Red Line- which seemed to make a rather value neutral statement that war was really just a matter of man's horrific nature. Then you have a film like Three Kings, which was pretty anti-war and fairly anti-patriotic, but probably the best of the Gulf War films.

Out of the three films you named, which had the best reception with the masses?

Ergo...

Anyway, you're talking about pre-9/11 here. I don't know if you noticed, but the industry changed quite a lot since that attack on America.
 
[PCE said:
el_Prez]I think '28 Days Later' could have at least been nominated for something. Maybe cinematography or music.

Godspeed You Black Emperor! needs to win a Grammy. Serioulsy. They are one of the best bands around right now...shit's hot.
 
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