Tarantulakelurk
First time out of the vault
I'm not kidding, I'd assume they been blown up sooner or later in every game they were in, but I don't think that's right since I've never played the Tactics series or the first two Fallout games
How many times has the Enclave been blown up?
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First time out of the vault
SnapSlav
NMA's local DotA fanatic
Then don't even ask.
The Enclave were INTRODUCED in FO2, and it was only in FO3 that they were copied and pasted by Bethesda because they lacked any of their own original ideas.
The Enclave were INTRODUCED in FO2, and it was only in FO3 that they were copied and pasted by Bethesda because they lacked any of their own original ideas.
TheChosen1
Moving Target
Three times.
RetroAmerica
It Wandered In From the Wastes
The Government Remnant is only shown in Fallout 2, and referenced as being pretty much a shambles to even being disbanded by Fallout 3 V.B.
5545Trey
Underground Deviant
Three times? Did you have the option in New Vegas to blow the Remnants Bunker?
SnapSlav
NMA's local DotA fanatic
He's referring to both Raven Rock and the Adams Air Force base Crawler in the "Broken Steel" DLC. Twice in 1 game.
I'd still call those both "0", personally. Kinda like including Attis's army's defeat to the total count of how many campaigns the Master's Army has served in.
naossano
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
I kind of count it.
I mean that (even if fobos is non canon) it is important, IMO that FOT & FOBOS come between Fo1-Fo2 and not after Fo2. (in-universe, not in the stores)
Instead of suddenly becoming stronger than in Fo2, those two wars between the BOS & the unity weakened both even more, reducing their number in Fo2. (and divided for the BOS)
Overall, even if FoBOS is stated uncanon, my take is that i consider FOT & FOBOS as canon, except when they aren't. (like the BOS coming from the vault)
I hope that Fo3 will have that status at some point...
PS: The unity should be more appropriate, and there is not longer a bob's army if bob is long dead. The ideology, on the other hand outlived him to some extend.
I mean that (even if fobos is non canon) it is important, IMO that FOT & FOBOS come between Fo1-Fo2 and not after Fo2. (in-universe, not in the stores)
Instead of suddenly becoming stronger than in Fo2, those two wars between the BOS & the unity weakened both even more, reducing their number in Fo2. (and divided for the BOS)
Overall, even if FoBOS is stated uncanon, my take is that i consider FOT & FOBOS as canon, except when they aren't. (like the BOS coming from the vault)
I hope that Fo3 will have that status at some point...
PS: The unity should be more appropriate, and there is not longer a bob's army if bob is long dead. The ideology, on the other hand outlived him to some extend.
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SnapSlav
NMA's local DotA fanatic
What do you mean "even if" FOBOS is stated non-canon? Looks like you're behind, cause it IS stated non-canon. FOT, meanwhile, has never been claimed as such, but the community has noted its contradictions and in-universe exceptions and dubbed it "semi canon" or "not confirmed as canon", but due to the overwhelming degree of vitriolic hate that FOBOS churned up, they straight up apologized and said that it was a non-canonical spin-off. Of course, that doesn't undo a terrible game, but at least it helps you sleep better that your precious fictional universe doesn't have a cancer of absurdity lodged to it... unlike say Star Wars.
naossano
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
I know very well that FOT is officially semi-canon while FOBOS is officially not canon.
The right word i should have used is head-canon, my personal canon.
My take on this is that i choose to consider canon things that are consistent or relevant and cease to consider not canon things that are directly contradicted.
Let's say Fallout:Arizona is released as a spin-off or a mod. If there is a plot-point saying that super-mutants are the result of reproduction between ghouls and brahmins, i would disregard this plot-point as it doesn't fit with the established canon. Another plot-point mention that Caesar Legion has slaughtered a village for not joining them, i could choose to accept if in my own canon, as it doesn't contradict anything canon.
When i talk about Fobos, i don't have any problem mentionning event that don't contradict canon, but keep demonstrating a know pattern in the rest of the franchise.
On that same note, i prefer considering Fo3 as semi-canon, although i hope the current or the future publisher will consider it semi-canon too.
The right word i should have used is head-canon, my personal canon.
My take on this is that i choose to consider canon things that are consistent or relevant and cease to consider not canon things that are directly contradicted.
Let's say Fallout:Arizona is released as a spin-off or a mod. If there is a plot-point saying that super-mutants are the result of reproduction between ghouls and brahmins, i would disregard this plot-point as it doesn't fit with the established canon. Another plot-point mention that Caesar Legion has slaughtered a village for not joining them, i could choose to accept if in my own canon, as it doesn't contradict anything canon.
When i talk about Fobos, i don't have any problem mentionning event that don't contradict canon, but keep demonstrating a know pattern in the rest of the franchise.
On that same note, i prefer considering Fo3 as semi-canon, although i hope the current or the future publisher will consider it semi-canon too.
SnapSlav
NMA's local DotA fanatic
Ah, I see. Yes, "head-canon" makes all the difference, and in that respect I'm sure we all do the same. But as far as FOBOS goes, I'm glad that it's official non-canonical, as I really hate the game to such a degree that I don't want to consider ANY of it in my own head-canon. But for me, What Bethesda says of FO3 doesn't matter; the most canon FO3 is would be some kind of incarnation like what we brainstorm in the "could have been" thread. Because at least then the game makes sense. Like you pointed out, there's just too much contradiction going on, so even if some aspects weren't bogged down by being blatantly false, they were still an aspect of a greater whole that was so absurd, their entirety is worth disregarding.