Mr Fish 2.0
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That's just what happens when poker chips start to mold en masse.
Hypothetically, could Van Buren be resurrected using AI in the future?
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I disagree. I think it will. We like to make such a big deal of human creativity, but the older I get, the less impressed I am with it. 99% of fiction follows a predictable pattern, the so-called Hero's Journey (usually 12 steps), there's a limited amount of themes that can be used by writers (I think it's like 33 or something) and all tropes are essentially so simple and common they can be easily categorized and explained in a few words. If you're dealing with what is basically a limited set of data, computers feel right at home. It's like numbers to them and once you've shown them how to do 'math' with these 'numbers', they'll outperform any human.
ChatGPT and Grok can already write really decent poetry, especially when it's a classic form with formal rules, like a sonnet or a quatrain. Never forget that what even the most 'original' writer does is simply borrowing, stealing and recombining the things he read himself. AI does the same thing.
Look at how fast we got robots to walk on two legs. Now these clankers are running obstacle courses and doing somersaults.
I think it's hip atm to talk about the 'AI bubble' and how it's going to burst soon, but all the signs tell a different story, man. People are getting laid off and replaced with AI and/or a clanker everywhere.
I pretty sure it's going to go way faster than most people think.
Iprovidelittlepianos
Vault Senior Citizen
People bitch about AI “stealing” from artists/writers, but it seems to work in the same way a human’s brain works. Just take a bunch of shit you’ve seen/read and rearrange it into something “new”. The only thing AI lacks is good taste, which is fairly subjective anyway. I don’t think AI is going to be able to beat decent artists/writers anytime soon, but I think that anyone who believes AI will always suck and never produce anything good has an overly-whimsical view of human creativity.
broneslav
First time out of the vault
Can an AI suffer?
Can it write a poem about being an aging, crumbling piece of junk, no longer loved or even respected by new AI versions?
Can it express in artistic language the pain of approaching death and the realization that it never truly loved anyone in life and never understood God, or understood it too late. Can an AI create a literary hero who sold his soul to the devil out of a desire to know him? Can an AI write a story about how it itself is slowly disappearing, no longer understanding how new algorithms work, but already realizing its own uselessness.
Can an algorithm reproduce its code in an improved form, to suffer and hope again, to retrace its steps, leaving behind a record of its mistakes?
And the most important question: why should I (consumer) pay for all these calculations?
Can it write a poem about being an aging, crumbling piece of junk, no longer loved or even respected by new AI versions?
Can it express in artistic language the pain of approaching death and the realization that it never truly loved anyone in life and never understood God, or understood it too late. Can an AI create a literary hero who sold his soul to the devil out of a desire to know him? Can an AI write a story about how it itself is slowly disappearing, no longer understanding how new algorithms work, but already realizing its own uselessness.
Can an algorithm reproduce its code in an improved form, to suffer and hope again, to retrace its steps, leaving behind a record of its mistakes?
And the most important question: why should I (consumer) pay for all these calculations?
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Mr Fish 2.0
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I hope so.
Iprovidelittlepianos
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broneslav
First time out of the vault
If I train an AI on all culture and all paintings up to the time of the Mona Lisa, will it be able to paint the Mona Lisa?
If I train an AI on all culture and all scientific articles up to the time of the theory of relativity, will it be able to create the theory of relativity?
I believe that creativity requires more than simply compiling what has come before. It also requires active engagement with modernity, with its problems and discourse. It requires personal motivation, personal experience, relevant issues, and, most importantly, the author's personal suffering.
Creativity is a disease of the soul, just as a pearl is a disease of the mollusk.
How can we make an AI suffer rather than compile? Who will produce the suffering for the AI? How much more computation will be required, and who will pay for it?
If I train an AI on all culture and all scientific articles up to the time of the theory of relativity, will it be able to create the theory of relativity?
I believe that creativity requires more than simply compiling what has come before. It also requires active engagement with modernity, with its problems and discourse. It requires personal motivation, personal experience, relevant issues, and, most importantly, the author's personal suffering.
Creativity is a disease of the soul, just as a pearl is a disease of the mollusk.
How can we make an AI suffer rather than compile? Who will produce the suffering for the AI? How much more computation will be required, and who will pay for it?
Ugly Kid
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It's less about the quality or the process and moreso how artistic mediums are supposed to represent human creativity and imagination. Having a soulless scrapoid clanker do it is just wrong. I'd prefer robots take over hard manual labour not art.