I feel cheated.

It just looked like such a nice rig - all pre-installed and integrated for 1399 bucks. I mean, I couldn't resist. I built my previous rig myself - but had to fork over 150 more than I planned because I had accidentally fried my new motherboard because I hadn't de-staticed myself enough. So, I figured: let's order a new one from people that know what they are doing. Heh.

It also looks so sleek, y'know. All black, with a connectivity center, DVD-rom storage and external HD drive installed in front... It's such a beauty. I've got it rigged with a HP w1907v monitor, Sennheiser MP130 wireless headset and a Logitech MX Revolution mouse and DUDE, DUDE it looks pretty. So pretty I'd like to insert my dick into the HD slot. Really.

But I agree, last time I buy a pre-built rig. Or hey, maybe I can keep the aestetically pleasing tower and insert new shit into it. Who knows.


And Vista is, indeed, a big steaming pile of crap for anyone experienced in computers. You have NO IDEA what shit I have to go through to edit my files.

FOR EXAMPLE: I've got the game UFO: extraterrestrials installed. After playing my first game halfway through, I figured it would be more fun to edit the gamefiles so I'd get as much profit from producing/selling stuff like I did in UFO: enemy unkown.
To cut a long story short: the only way I can play the game with my modifications, is if I run Command Promts as Amdinistrator, and load up my game from there. If I simply load it from desktop, it acts like I didn't modify anything and - get this - it actually contains save files I physically deleted from my hard drive weeks ago. Fully working. Ghost files? I dunno. It's some wierd shit, this Vista.
 
That's just creepy...

It turned out that my mother's comp doesn't have drivers packed with it and the system doesn't detect its sound and video card.
 
Jebus said:
It just looked like such a nice rig - all pre-installed and integrated for 1399 bucks.
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I could definitely be wrong, but isn't there an integrated version of the X1600? If so, you might have gotten one of those, which would at least partially explain the low scores. I don't know how much you've been looking under the hood of that rig yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if HP gave you a rig more suitable for typing than gaming.
 
hey kids, the driver/gfx card thing might not actually be an error. ;)

an X1650SE is just a relabled X1600 anyway. so just because it recognises the potential X1650SE as a X1600 (which it actually is) doesnt mean there is something wrong. there could be ofc.

either way, both those cards should run on exact the same drivers anyway, so i dont see that matter too much.

that said, i get 5257 points on 3DMark06 with a rig that costed way less than yours. ;)
but you got Vista with it & i obviously didnt. which version vista is it anyway?
Jebus said:
But I agree, last time I buy a pre-built rig.
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ask me next time, dumbass...
 
Vault 13 said:
1399 bucks is wwwaaaayyyyy too much for such a rig !
you could have bought somthing much stronger from ebay :
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what?

dude, he just bought an HP/Dell/Compaq/heapofdung and you go on to tell him to buy a preassembled piece of CRAP from ebay?

gtfo!

that's the second worst thing to do...
 
Vault 13 said:
SuAside said:
dude, he just bought an HP/Dell/Compaq/heapofdung and you go on to tell him to buy a preassembled piece of CRAP from ebay?
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what is exactly crappy about it ?
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because 95% of all sellers on eBay that sell preassembled pc put up nice specs but sell you junk in the parts that are not named (very much like Dell/HP/Compaq does).

not to mention they say utter & total nonsense like "4x2.4Ghz", don't name the exact model of the graphics card, don't tell you the timings of the used memory, etc etc etc.

i'm pretty sure i can make you a better pc anyway... (since i work for a Duvel, i r non-profit for buddies)
 
In a minor attempt to hijack this topic...

I'm currently running a rig with a X800GTO in it. I've been pretty happy with the card, I was able to overclock it quite a lot and even unlock pipelines or whatever they're called. I managed to squeeze quite a lot of performance from it.
But I'm thinking about upgrading now. However, I don't have enough money to put in some uber card, but I want a substantial upgrade. Any suggestions? I've come to like ATI cards, so I guess that would be a plus. I can't go over 230 or so bucks though, since I'm also buying another gig of ram and a new PSU (my current one only has 350W, I assume I need more if I upgrade).

Is it worth upgrading from my X800GTO to another card under 230 bucks
 
not to mention they say utter & total nonsense like "4x2.4Ghz"
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I agree with that 100 %


don't name the exact model of the graphics card
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Yes...but what big difference is there for example between a nvidia geforce 8800 ultra from POINT OF VIEW and an nvidia geforce 8800 ultra from ASUS ?!

I don't think there is a big difference between them unless you want to buy a 8800 ultra xxx wich has 675 Mhz Core Clock instead of 612 wich is a different story .

tell you the timings of the used memory
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what timing do you mean ?
 
Vault 13 said:
don't name the exact model of the graphics card
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Yes...but what big difference is there for example between a nvidia geforce 8800 ultra from POINT OF VIEW and an nvidia geforce 8800 ultra from ASUS ?!

I don't think there is a big difference between them unless you want to buy a 8800 ultra xxx wich has 675 Mhz Core Clock instead of 612 wich is a different story .
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it's an 8800 GTS, not an Ultra.

but yes, for the serious PC nut such as myself, the brand and EXACT MODEL (because brands make a lot of models of the same) does make a big difference.

Vault 13 said:
tell you the timings of the used memory
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what timing do you mean ?
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CAS, RAS to CAS, RAS precharge, TRAS (& Trc).
 
Starwars said:
In a minor attempt to hijack this topic...

I'm currently running a rig with a X800GTO in it. I've been pretty happy with the card, I was able to overclock it quite a lot and even unlock pipelines or whatever they're called. I managed to squeeze quite a lot of performance from it.
But I'm thinking about upgrading now. However, I don't have enough money to put in some uber card, but I want a substantial upgrade. Any suggestions? I've come to like ATI cards, so I guess that would be a plus. I can't go over 230 or so bucks though, since I'm also buying another gig of ram and a new PSU (my current one only has 350W, I assume I need more if I upgrade).

Is it worth upgrading from my X800GTO to another card under 230 bucks
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An X1950Pro would be a great choice, and its price tag is, if I recall correctly, a tad below $200.
 
i have one myself. it's a good card, but not very futureproof. if you can wait, i'd wait a lil' if i were you. until dx10 is a lil' more mainstream than it is now.
 
Thanks for the tip, I might hold it off, but maybe not since I think my current card is starting to cough up blood a bit, hehe.

Anyways, I currently have 2 sticks of 512 RAM. Does it make a difference if I get one stick of 1GB ram, or two more sticks of 512?
 
Starwars said:
Thanks for the tip, I might hold it off, but maybe not since I think my current card is starting to cough up blood a bit, hehe.

Anyways, I currently have 2 sticks of 512 RAM. Does it make a difference if I get one stick of 1GB ram, or two more sticks of 512?
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1 stick of RAM is faster then 2 sticks of 512 .
 
Starwars said:
Anyways, I currently have 2 sticks of 512 RAM. Does it make a difference if I get one stick of 1GB ram, or two more sticks of 512?
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read your motherboard's manual. quite often there are restrictions you need to keep in mind when wanting to use memory (and dual channel technology)

(quite a few motherboards cant handle more than 2 double sided memory sticks, so first you need to look at your 512mb sticks and find out what they are (probably single sided).
after that, you need to read what configurations are possible while using dual channel (not all mobos are capable of asymetric 1gb+512mb+512mb double channel).

Vault 13 said:
1 stick of RAM is faster then 2 sticks of 512 .
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*sigh*

and where exactly did you pull that fact from?

which will be faster (or even possible to use) will depend greatly on the motherboard's dual channel capabilities.

it is a possibility that he'll loose his dual channel capability if he installs 1Gb + 512mb + 512mb, whereas he might not if he installs 512mb + 512mb + 512mb + 512mb.

also, in general (when not talking about upgrading existing ram), when talking 1 stick vs 2 sticks, if the mobo is dual channel capable, the 2 stick solution will be faster.
 
Argh, I swear someday I'll need to read up on all this computer shit. :twisted:

Of course I can't find my bloody manual for the motherboard, all I know is that the two sticks currently in there are using Dual Channel (using the cpu-z program, great little utility). Still, I'll get a computer savvy friend of mine to check it out.

But it seems that in general it's a better solution to have 4 512Mb sticks than 2 512Mb + 1Gb?

Thanks SuAside.
 
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