I got robbed by the NYPD!

drunky, when the cop issues you the ticket they have you sign it, and they keep a copy and you keep a copy. THATS when you need to sign it. to seek protection under UCC 1-207 you have to reserve your rights to seek protection under it when you are first notified. you CAN try to reserve your rights by signing the back and request a court hearing but any judge who knows the specifics of seeking protection under that statute would throw out your argument as insufficient reservation.

the reason this is is due to you seeking protection under recourse and remedy under COMMERCIAL law rather than civil law. you cannot sign the ticket when originally issued to you under civil law and at a later time seek protection under commercial law, you must reseve your rights and seek protection under commercial law at time of issuance of the civil infraction notice not a later time.

you failed to reserve your rights within the appropriate time frame, so you lost the ability to reserve them at a later time. its akin to filing an appeal AFTER the due date for an appeal.

now you can still TRY, but any judge who has no clue about the UCC recourse and remedy clauses may let you off out of ignorance, but any judge worth their salt would pull out their books and read up and realize you were past due and ridicule you.

if you do try to use this clause in the future to protect yourself, you will definately need to read up on the statutes and presecedence so you can justify how they cannot fine you due to no monetary damage being incurred by your action when the judge asks you to prove your case.
 
NYC trans authority tickets (yellow forms) do not have a place to sign on the front where it would also appear on the officer's copy. Only on the back if you choose to get a hearing by mail as oppose to coming in on or before the due date.
 
Yeah, it's certainly not possible that your environment and/or upbringing has taught (read: programmed) you to resent the police and distrust them no matter what. Because it's not like, you know, police are just people doing their jobs, and that on the whole, police provide a positive and valuable service for the community.
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Yawn. Even the police that aren't "bad apples" stand by and protect the ones who are, so fuck them, too. Funny how people let them slide, but if I... say, helped my friend bury a body or cover up evidence, suddenly I'm an accomplice. Love that double standard.

And yes, police corruption is serious shit. I don't care if it's "only" over a $50 bullshit ticket that they think they can get away with giving you.


Regardless, I used to view them much the same way... until I met them. Even under amiable circumstances, they still come off as tyrannical dipshits. There have been two exceptions: One was a portly fellow who took time out of his day to explain the intricacies of carry laws to me and my friend when we were younger (nice fellow), and the other was a university cop (I think).

For the record, that same university cop's stopped me in one venue or another at least three or four times, so it's not that I'm just "sore" about getting tickets. He's just a decent guy who gives you your due (good or bad) and goes on about his business without brow-beating or going on a fishing trip.


Incidentally, and I may be mistaken, I'm pretty sure police don't actually have quotas. At least, not in my state. A common joke is, "Nope, no quota, I can write as many tickets as I like."

That's not to say that an officer with a "poor" arrest/citation/whatever record won't be looked at with disfavor.... just that there isn't a chalkboard with "Get 120 people tonight or else!" written on it somewhere.
 
Seeks said:
Incidentally, and I may be mistaken, I'm pretty sure police don't actually have quotas. At least, not in my state. A common joke is, "Nope, no quota, I can write as many tickets as I like."
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Where are you from? I heard stories of cops giving out b/s speeding tickets to teenagers with nice cars. Its like look it’s the end of the month and I need to get my quota, I swear its like they are out for blood at the end of the month. Last month my friend caught a nice summons for running down a broken escalator which was suppose to be used for getting up to the platform only.
 
Quotas are quite real. It's the difference between written law and common practice. If you were paying attention to that 'Mcburger' story, you'll see that they can write tix/citations whenever they like for whatever they want. You need a slimey lawyer, be a very educated fighter, and have the money to pay. Unless something changes in the power game...
 
I minor in per-law so i have some experience. I will have $50 handy in the event of the judge being a total asshole. I posted this topic to get some counter points or suggestion so I can therefore improve my argument.
 
Where are you from? I heard stories of cops giving out b/s speeding tickets to teenagers with nice cars. Its like look it’s the end of the month and I need to get my quota, I swear its like they are out for blood at the end of the month.
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I'm in Alaska, but I doubt it's too different most other places. I'm not going to suggest for a second that they won't occasionally hand out a bullshit ticket... I'm just saying that I don't think their shift sergeant (or whatever they're called) tells them that they'll be "guarding crosswalks for a month!!!" if they don't hand out X number of tickets.

I can't recall off the top of my head what they call it exactly, but they are very much allowed to pull you over for no reason. Actually, let me rephrase... no REAL reason. It's called either a pretext stop or a pretense stop, I can't remember which. Regardless, they'll find any little thing to pull you over, and if they got nothing, they'll make shit up and say you were speeding.

Happened to a professor in the Justice department here. He thought it was pretty goddamn funny, actually, since his shitty little car literally isn't capable of the speeds the officer was claiming.

I'm not sure whether or not they need any probable cause. Wouldn't matter if they did or not, though, since damn near everything is good enough for them to pull you over (though not enough for search and seizure, in most cases)... for example: if your car is too old, or too shitty, or has foggy windows or cracks in the windshield, or is dirty, etc. etc.

Anyway, way off track here. Point is, if they're inflating their arrest record at the end of the month then it's likely due to some sort of pending review. I don't like most of them, and I don't excuse it, but they are still just people trying to do a job and feed their families, after all... nobody wants to come in last place.
 
Sounds like a bullshit charge to me. Fight it with a clear head and use ivory tower language. Research will help tons. Wear somthing nice like semi casual. Yeah you gotta basically be a trained monkey.
 
I failed. The cop did not want to admit that there were like 4 people on the train and it was my word vs his on the positioning of my feet. So the Judge sided with him.
 
Silencer said:
Night busses are where the suck is at, I imagine the same goes for night subway.
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Waaaait a minnit, have you just dissed the "Party Buses"? :x They're a barrel of fun, especially the part where you're dodging both, crack junkies trying to reach into your pockets AND big, bald guys who look like they want to beat you up and puke at the same time.

Night subways are cool too. My mate took a dump on a seat, once, when we were on our way home. He's a boyscout, so he can be excused.
 
heres a treat:



You can always appeal, and post a notice on craiglist or the subway or something asking around for witnesses?
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I would have had better luck asking one of my black friends to pretend they were there since the good officer couldn't remember just how many passengers were in the cart at 4:45am
 
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