I love theunderdogs.org

>I just found out DaggerFall is
>up for downlaod :-)

Yeah I remember downloading Arena from one of those RPG abandonware sites, it might even be that one... it brought back memories, but was too buggy to play on my current machine.

Now I'm into downloading arcade ROMs so I can play all the games I spent tons of quarters paying to play. It should be a federal law that all software that has no more commercial value for a company be released free of charge (except transit costs, etc.) for public use.

-Xotor-

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But it's still the intellectual property of people who created it... You can't make people to give up their property involuntary.



http://www.nma-fallout.com/cgi-bin/forum/ForumID5/786.shtml#11

zero-x's bitter words after his encounter with roshambo:

"I agree with you but there comes a fuckin point i dont know who roquirbo thinks he is but I at least you didnt really criticize me and i appreciate that i hate people who fuck with my ideas when i didnt say shit to em and yes he is the kind of guy i would take a scalpel tear his head open the take an hammer use the end to samsh through the medulla and use the nail pull as a pry to pull back the top of the skull revealing a brain (small but brain nontheless)and take desert eagle magnum and blow it through his fucking spine as he still breath and then rip out his heart and show him how black it is before he dies but as you said thats illegal well cya"
 
>But it's still the intellectual property
>of people who created it...
>You can't make people to
>give up their property involuntary.
>

And the Home Of The Underdogs respects that. They only put games up that are no longer sold or supported by the publishers. Also they try to contact the owners of the copyright as much as possible to ask them permission to put theur games on the site. Al Lowe (from Leisure Suit Larry fame) for example has given full permission to put the games on the site of which he owns the copyright to.
 
>But it's still the intellectual property
>of people who created it...
>You can't make people to
>give up their property involuntary.

I certainly can! Laws can make people do something or not do something (in the form of a negative incentive).

I mean, we could also apply that to patent and copyright laws. Copyright is supposed to expire after 59 years if I remember right, patents even shorter, I'd just be shortening that time for certain types of intellectual property. I'm also not requiring them to release the source code for it, just make the game/program available for free.

-Xotor-

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The real abandonware scene is on EFnet on IRC, channels such as #oldgames and #classicgames to mention a few... I myself am a regular there, as is the guy who hosts the underdogs.org site. You name it, and chances are about 99% that they have the game on one of the FTPs or Fserves. ISO's and lots of cool stuff too.
 
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Oct-16-01 AT 03:38AM (GMT)[p]Yeah, well, I'd not give up my stuff. If abandonware sites want to distribute it freely, they'd better pay me something for giving up my ownership of the software. In fact, I am surprised that abandonware sites don't ask for a small monthly fee of, say, $5.00 for downloading all games off their site.

Of course, I still think paying for games is evil, he he he, but it's the makers of the software who have the final word.

P.S - on completely unrelated matter, I think it's time for me to change my signature...



http://www.nma-fallout.com/cgi-bin/forum/ForumID5/786.shtml#11

zero-x's bitter words after his encounter with roshambo:

"I agree with you but there comes a fuckin point i dont know who roquirbo thinks he is but I at least you didnt really criticize me and i appreciate that i hate people who fuck with my ideas when i didnt say shit to em and yes he is the kind of guy i would take a scalpel tear his head open the take an hammer use the end to samsh through the medulla and use the nail pull as a pry to pull back the top of the skull revealing a brain (small but brain nontheless)and take desert eagle magnum and blow it through his fucking spine as he still breath and then rip out his heart and show him how black it is before he dies but as you said thats illegal well cya"
 
>Yeah, well, I'd not give up
>my stuff. If abandonware sites
>want to distribute it freely,
>they'd better pay me something
>for giving up my ownership
>of the software. In fact,
>I am surprised that abandonware
>sites don't ask for a
>small monthly fee of, say,
>$5.00 for downloading all games
>off their site.

Oh I certainly don't believe that the publishers should be responsible for letting users download them for no cost off their own sites, etc. afterall bandwidth is expensive and distribution is a pain. I just feel that the software, if it has no monitary value anymore should be able to be distributed for free with no royalties or charges of piracy against the distributers/downloaders.

Afterall, what is the point of charging someone with piracy counts when the software has no value anyway? If the publisher is not actively selling the titles, whether on bundle CDs or the like, it should be free. It will encourage companies that don't want to simply give away their software to create old-game bundles like the Fallout 1 and 2 bundle, or simply to let people play the games for free.

-Xotor-

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Say, Arthur, your signature gets even funnier when pulled through thespark.com burn maker. Check this out :

I agree with you and your monkey but there comes a fuckin point i dont know who roquirbo thinks he is but I at least you and your hemorrhoids didnt really criticize my stupid ass and i appreciate that i hate people who fuck with my fucking ideas when i didnt say shit to fuckin' em and yes he is the fucking kind of fucking bastard i would take a goddamn scalpel tear that bastard's head open the fucking take a goddamn hammer use the fucking end to fuckin' samsh through the fucking medulla and use the fucking nail pull as a goddamn pry to pull back the fucking top of the fucking skull revealing a brain (small but brain nontheless)and take desert eagle magnum and blow that shit through that bastard's fucking spine as he still breath and then, shit, rip out that bastard's heart and show that piece of shit how in the hell black that piece of shit is before he dies but as you and your jive said thats illegal well cya

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Nah, even better:

http://rinkworks.com/dialect/

Translated back to zero-x's native tongue!

I agree wid you but dehe comes a fuckin poit i dont know who rokirbo dinks he is but I at least you didnt real kiticize me 'n i abbreshate dat i hate peoble who fuck wid my ideas when i didnt say shit t' em 'n yes he is de kind of guy i wudd take a scalpel tear his gord open the, duh uhh, take an hammeh use the, uh, end t' samsh drough de medulla 'n use de nail pull as a pry t' pull back the, duh uhh, top of the, ERRRR, skull rebealigg a brain (small but brain nondeless)and take deseht eagle magnum 'n blow it drough his fuckigg spine as he still bread 'n den rip out his heart 'n show him duh, how black it is bef'e he dies but as you said dats illegal webuhll cya
 
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