I'm a n00b..... but I like katanas.

[Bugeisha]

You might notice, I am not good at naming things, like threads...

Anyways, I am interested in making a katana mod for Fallout 2, prefferably two handed, one handed if the other is so hard as to be an impossibility. Another idea I had was a black leather samurai outfit....

But anyways, the katana thing, I'm pretty sure I can do the art, with my l33t mspaint skillz (man, I am such a loser ) But, I don't know the first thing about modding any game, let alone Fallout 2...

So, I was wondering, if anybody would be interested in helping me with the actual placing of this in the game, maybe give me a good idea for a place to start, tell me what formats I need to make these in....... etc. etc.

Anyways, anyone interested?

 

[DarkUnderlord]

Anyways, I am interested in making a katana mod for Fallout 2.

Katana

Another idea I had was a black leather samurai outfit....

Black Leather Samurai Outfit

man, I am such a loser

Yes.

Anyways, anyone interested?

No.

 

[POOPERSCOOPER]

lol pwned

 

[APTYP]

How gay.
I mean - no.

 

[Bugeisha]

Anyways, I am interested in making a katana mod for Fallout 2.

Katana

I found that already, it's not a katana, and it shows up as a knife when you equip it.

Another idea I had was a black leather samurai outfit....

Black Leather Samurai Outfit

That's not a samurai outfit.

man, I am such a loser

Yes.

*says something sarcastic*

Anyways, anyone interested?

No.

Correction: You're not interested.

 

[Bugeisha]

lol pwned

That would be a "no"

 

[SkynetV4]

Well there are no katanas per se. Wakizashis don't really count as they are two different weapons. They were used in tandem though in the daisho style that Musashi created.

 

[Wild_qwerty]

And now for a postive response...
It's going to be quite a job unfortunately, as the closed thing to a sword animation in FO2 is the ripper (I cant remeber if it shows up as a knife though). If not you would need to "draw" over each of the frames for a knife animation to make it appear to be longer and sword like. This would need to be done for each armour type. This is a lot of individual frames but it is possible, so if your'e very patient it could be done.

Step 1 - Use Dat-Man lite
Extract each of the Knife animations for each armour type

Step 2 - Use FRM Workshop
Export a frame into a BMP

Step 3 - Use your choice of image editor - eg: Paint
Edit the image to have a sword instead of a knife (make sure each new image sword is the same size etc..)

Step 4 - Use FRM Workshop
Import the new BMP over the original Frame

Step 5 - Use lots of time
Repeat for each frame and armour type.

Once you have made the new FRM (fallout image file) I'm sure you could find someone to make the script for it

Oh I forgot Step 6 - Ignore the pesimistic posts above... If you need any pointers I'd be happy to help. As for the new "Samurai Armour" this is a huge job, as it would need to include all the weapon type animations, for this sort of task you would be better starting from scratch using 3D animation software.

 

[Bugeisha]

Thanks muchly WQ. Where might I find those utilities?

 

[Roshambo]

And now for a postive response...

Thanks muchly WQ. Where might I find those utilities?

Here's for an even more positive response.

How the hell do you expect people to be that interested in something that was in err to Fallout's universe in the first place? Or how about we create a Chinese All-You-Can-Eat Buffet because there were Chinese people in the game?

So, good luck on the mod, but I doubt you'll have much interest because what you've discussed really doesn't fit into the setting. As for the utilities, that's why we have a files section on the site and it's part of the forum as well. How you can figure out how to post and not on where to download the file is a bit beyond my desire to delve into the insane. Or, failing that, you could try a search engine like the rest of the clued-in people who do bother to learn about something before they use it, namely the internet.

Hey, if you want help doing your mod, that's one thing. Wanting people to basically do it for you, good luck.

 

[Bugeisha]

And now for a postive response...

Thanks muchly WQ. Where might I find those utilities?

Here's for an even more positive response.

How the hell do you expect people to be that interested in something that was in err to Fallout's universe in the first place? Or how about we create a Chinese All-You-Can-Eat Buffet because there were Chinese people in the game?

So, good luck on the mod, but I doubt you'll have much interest because what you've discussed really doesn't fit into the setting.

Actually, it fits in quite well. It's a katana. This might suprise you, but there are martial arts stores all over california, and the united states, that contain katanas. Also, there are spears, knives, sledgehammers, and even freaking wakizashi blades in Fallout2, so I hardly see why katanas wouldn't fit into Fallout 2. And this might also suprise you, but that's not because I'm lacking the intelligence to understand that, it's because I can't understand absurd logic and things that don't make any sense.

As for the utilities, that's why we have a files section on the site and it's part of the forum as well. How you can figure out how to post and not on where to download the file is a bit beyond my desire to delve into the insane. Or, failing that, you could try a search engine like the rest of the clued-in people who do bother to learn about something before they use it, namely the internet.

Hey, if you want help doing your mod, that's one thing. Wanting people to basically do it for you, good luck.

Have you ever even looked in the utilities section of the downloads on this site? I have the download section bookmarked, and I checked that before I even posted. And as far as being clued in goes, allow me to clue you into something. I have something called "56k dial-up" In case you didn't know, it's slow, as in, a turtle, who's crippled in all four legs, has palsy, and is encased in concrete. So, if I can get somebody to give me the common courtesy of posting a link that they have, perhaps in their bookmarks, then I do that first. You might also notice, I didn't ask you.

And about wanting help on my mod, I am asking somebody to do whatever coding or such is necessary, and starting me out, and I'm planning on editing dozens, perhaps hundreds of images in Friggin' mspaint, for a game that is made mostly out of sprites. That's not asking somebody to make a mod for me, FYI.

One last thing. What the hell do you have against n00bs? We all have to start somewhere, and if we have to leap through everybody's flames just to do that, it's a lot harder.

 

[Tannhauser]

It's more or less than just newbies, depending on how you look at things. Basically, you've irritated Rosh with what seems like a half-thought out idea.

For one, wakizashi blades don't really fit into the Fallout setting either, even if it was in Fallout 2. We are talking about a retro-futuristic setting here, katanas don't have a place (no matter how popular they are in California). Not to mention, in my house right now, I have knives, a sledgehammer, and a few things which could easily be made into a makeshift spear; no katana though. To put it bluntly, I'm not really in support of the idea, but if you want to try it out, feel free.

As for the software, you are really the last person who should be talking. Look at the utilities, I just looked, and all the files are right where you would expect them and I am using a 56k modem right now. I'm not going to link you directly to them, because I refuse to reward you for your actions.

You will be editing hundreds of images, not dozens. If you expect to do it all in Microsoft Paint, well, you'll get nowhere fast (if you want it to look decent). Really, I'm not expecting much at this point.

 

[Bugeisha]

It's more or less than just newbies, depending on how you look at things. Basically, you've irritated Rosh with what seems like a half-thought out idea.

For one, wakizashi blades don't really fit into the Fallout setting either, even if it was in Fallout 2. We are talking about a retro-futuristic setting here, katanas don't have a place (no matter how popular they are in California). Not to mention, in my house right now, I have knives, a sledgehammer, and a few things which could easily be made into a makeshift spear; no katana though. To put it bluntly, I'm not really in support of the idea, but if you want to try it out, feel free.

As for the software, you are really the last person who should be talking. Look at the utilities, I just looked, and all the files are right where you would expect them and I am using a 56k modem right now. I'm not going to link you directly to them, because I refuse to reward you for your actions.

You will be editing hundreds of images, not dozens. If you expect to do it all in Microsoft Paint, well, you'll get nowhere fast (if you want it to look decent). Really, I'm not expecting much at this point.

http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/dload.php?action=category&cat_id=13

That's Fallout 2 utilities... since I'm trying to mod Fallout 2, that seems like the place they should be, don't you think?

And you know what, I realize, I don't care if it fits in perfectly with Fallout's setting... Why the heck do you care?

And I wasn't saying anything about how popular they are in California... I was saying, that, some would've survived the blast... Why does it even matter?

Also, people are making well made combat knives, and some people use melee weapons soley, don't you think that some bright-eyed genius would decide to make swords?

Geez... why do you people even come into this thread? If you don't want to help, and you don't like the idea, then just stay out of this topic....

 

[Roshambo]

http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/dload.php?action=category&cat_id=13

That's Fallout 2 utilities... since I'm trying to mod Fallout 2, that seems like the place they should be, don't you think?

How about the one called "Fallout Modding", as, guess what, there would be utilities that would be of use to one or more of the games?

And you know what, I realize, I don't care if it fits in perfectly with Fallout's setting... Why the heck do you care?

Let's see...you're posting this on a forum, which is open for input unless someone decides to go for the absurd ideas indicative of mind candy or sniffing at one too many questionable mangas, at which someone will remark about it.

And I wasn't saying anything about how popular they are in California... I was saying, that, some would've survived the blast... Why does it even matter?

At this, you've displayed that you have entirely no clue as to what Fallout's setting is.

Also, people are making well made combat knives, and some people use melee weapons soley, don't you think that some bright-eyed genius would decide to make swords?

Straw man argument, shithead. Swords != Katana. Learn what one is before you rattle your brain's masturbations off. I have a good tempting to snap a bokken off in your ass for being the typical white ninja.

To further point it out since you seem a little slow on the uptake - swords made in the post-apocalyptic world would hardly be katanas, they would likely be scrapped and salvaged pieces of machinery. Axes would be a far more common weapon to make, and is much easier to use for the untrained. Katanas in pre-60's weren't something commonly sold at your local Chinese peddler shop. Kids like you forget that Japan and its culture weren't exactly cherished and fanboyed over then as it is now.

Wait, this should have tipped me off earlier.

Another idea I had was a black leather samurai outfit....

Black leather samurai outfits? Now I know for certain you are white trash ninja.

Geez... why do you people even come into this thread? If you don't want to help, and you don't like the idea, then just stay out of this topic....

This could end real fast, but I doubt you'd enjoy that outcome much.

EDIT: What the hell, I'll get the other post, too.

Actually, it fits in quite well. It's a katana. This might suprise you, but there are martial arts stores all over california, and the united states, that contain katanas. Also, there are spears, knives, sledgehammers, and even freaking wakizashi blades in Fallout2, so I hardly see why katanas wouldn't fit into Fallout 2. And this might also suprise you, but that's not because I'm lacking the intelligence to understand that, it's because I can't understand absurd logic and things that don't make any sense.

Well, aside from the time period the fiction was designed to borrow heavily from, it's another straw man argument to point out the other weapons. Those were common to the world outside of your clueless Japanophile ass. Wakizashi's are favored by the Yakuza mainly because of being able to hide them much easier and you're often in close quarters in Japan. Well, Japan of the time when the Yakuza was ripped from, which was a modern influence into the design and even you should be able to figure out that the Yakuza didn't really fit into Fallout's universe entirely and should be treated as a brief occlusion event based upon the insanity in some developer's mind.

Have you ever even looked in the utilities section of the downloads on this site?

There's the most stupid statement you've made so far.

I have the download section bookmarked, and I checked that before I even posted.

Liar.

And as far as being clued in goes, allow me to clue you into something. I have something called "56k dial-up" In case you didn't know, it's slow, as in, a turtle, who's crippled in all four legs, has palsy, and is encased in concrete. So, if I can get somebody to give me the common courtesy of posting a link that they have, perhaps in their bookmarks, then I do that first. You might also notice, I didn't ask you.

Stow the excuses, you wheedling little puddle of piss. There's plenty of people who have 56k and this site isn't that heavy to download. In fact, browsing the forums is no different from browsing the files section. In addition, posting sometimes takes much longer than mere browsing.

Try a bit harder on your excuses, liar.

And about wanting help on my mod, I am asking somebody to do whatever coding or such is necessary, and starting me out, and I'm planning on editing dozens, perhaps hundreds of images in Friggin' mspaint, for a game that is made mostly out of sprites. That's not asking somebody to make a mod for me, FYI.

In part, yes it is. In fact, you didn't even say that you wanted someone to do the coding for you before now. Yet, people were willing to help and give you a good bit of help, but you couldn't even do anything with that, after they couldn't have made it any more clear for you. What kind of moron do you have to be to fail with that kind of help? The fellow did everything but code it for you, after the help, you should have figured out to look for these things on your own, especially at a place in which you've lied to claim you've already looked.

I think your laziness to do any work for yourself is evident mainly in how you ask people how to find the obvious, try to cover it up with lies later on, and then on top of that you now say you want someone to do the coding for you as well. I have a lot more respect for the real modders than to allow them to get railroaded into what is undoubtedly vaporware. People around here can often detect that brand of bullshit a mile away as well.

If you spent a little less time making up excuses and a bit more time looking and learning, then you wouldn't be such a spectacular example of the shit sediment of the youth caste.

One last thing. What the hell do you have against n00bs? We all have to start somewhere, and if we have to leap through everybody's flames just to do that, it's a lot harder.

Nice try, but being a newbie is no excuse for acting like a lazy waste of air. You were told what to look for and you then asked where they were, making you into a liar after the fact when you tried to bullshit me. Unfortunately for you, you were too stupid to understand that the rest of the thread is still here. Therefore it is obvious that you're lying to me.

So far, you've done more time asking people to do every bit of work for you and making up excuses versus looking for yourself and finding what could be found in less than five minutes, no matter what your connection.

You are truly a pathetic example of humanity, but to have the good, there must be the insipid to provide an example of what not to do. Stay in Wyoming.

 

[Erenan]

This is incredible. I actually registered here for the express purpose of telling somebody that they're being a total jerk.

When I registered, I legally agreed to the following:

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws.

So did everyone else registered here.

I'm wondering just how abusive and slanderous one has to be before it violates an applicable law.

For instance, would needless insults, such as "wheedling little puddle of piss," be considered slander by U.S. law?

Good heavens! People, the guy wants to make a harmless katana mod. What is the big deal!? Do you have to jump on the guy's case because you don't think it's a good idea? I'd like to think that people can be more polite than that.

 

[Roshambo]

This is incredible. I actually registered here for the express purpose of telling somebody that they're being a total jerk.

Good, then enjoy the ban.

When I registered, I legally agreed to the following:

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws.

Those are the rules, yes. Unfortunately, personal attacks are personal attacks only when they apply towards a person. I'm afraid the fellow in question is of less than par in the regards of sentience and therefore cannot be considered a person by any stretch of human imagination. Well, unless you count parts of Florida, Arkansas, and Wyoming. It also can't be considered vulgar, as it's in place to chastize a lazy person for not bothering to do any work and expect others to jump at it. It can't be considered abusive, nor obscene, in the regards that they did earn it. "Abuse" only applies if it's undeserved. Slanderous? I think not. Hateful? Not at all. There is absolutely no malice behind my wish for you both to spontaneously stop breathing and to explode, preferably on video. Threatening would apply, but I think it was more like a fond wish of mine, as there are laws to protect the terminally stupid from the more sapiens people like myself in taking a firm hand in culling a few mentally sickly members of the herd, unfortunately. And for your sake, don't even go towards sexually-oriented. You don't precisely appeal to me in that regard, especially since I don't believe in bestiality.

The topic also shows presumption in expecting others to enjoy the idea of such a mod that doesn't fit into the spirit of the game. It also shows lack of netiquette to bother lurking, learning about the forum, and instead comes onto the forum and expects people to not notice that bit of discourtesy? The post shouted "HELLO, i AM NEW I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING HERE BUT MYSELF AND I DIDN'T BOTHER TO DO ANY THINKING FOR MYSELF AND MUST BOTHER YOU PEAOPLE TO DO IT FOR ME AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO DO THE WORK FOR ME BECAUSE I'M A LYING IDIOT THAT CAN'T THINK FOR THEMSELVES SPENDING MORE TIME WHINING THAN ANY WORK!" I have to tell you it pains me to think that Cro-Magnum in order to translate down to your level. If you can't understand what part of netiqutte I'm talking about, then I will make it simple. It is the basic rule of being able to claim any intelligence whatsoever - being able to figure out things for yourself. Which, I might add, McDumbshit failed to do even the slightest bit. The last straw was when they lied repeatedly about it when the evidence is merely a few posts up, all of which inbreeds liar into his forehead as firmly as his family tree.

Those are also general phpBB forum rules, and we have rules as well. Congratulations, you're the second shithead in the same thread that doesn't bother with netiquette whatsoever. Don't blame me if you get burned, kid.

So did everyone else registered here.

I'm wondering just how abusive and slanderous one has to be before it violates an applicable law.

What laws about slander have I broken? I think at best I called them a liar, and rightfully so as it can be easily proven.

Then you'll only get that one in a kangaroo court.

For instance, would needless insults, such as "wheedling little puddle of piss," be considered slander by U.S. law?

None, so keep your armchair lawyering to yourself.

Good heavens! People, the guy wants to make a harmless katana mod. What is the big deal!? Do you have to jump on the guy's case because you don't think it's a good idea? I'd like to think that people can be more polite than that.

That's not the point, so keep the bullshit to yourself. This reeks of "I'm going to register for my buddy" or a hydra, so I'd have to say your presence here isn't exactly a reliable thing. For a bit of rules-lawyering, you have done by far a pathetic job of even making me feel uh..."chastized". I'm more or less amused at your presumption to tell me what to do and of what possible humorous picture I can come up with to award you a suitable avatar.

 

[Erenan]

This is incredible. I actually registered here for the express purpose of telling somebody that they're being a total jerk.

Good, then enjoy the ban.

I will, thanks.

So did everyone else registered here.

I'm wondering just how abusive and slanderous one has to be before it violates an applicable law.

What laws about slander have I broken? I think at best I called them a liar, and rightfully so as it can be easily proven.

I meant what I said literally. I wasn't trying to accuse anyone.

For instance, would needless insults, such as "wheedling little puddle of piss," be considered slander by U.S. law?

None, so keep your armchair lawyering to yourself.

Again, I asked a question out of sincere curiosity and made no attempt at lawyering whatsoever. I'm under the impression that many of your comments are in violation of the rules. I simply asked if that was the case.

And now, I'm going to bow out of this conversation because it's clear you aren't interested in being civilized, and I have no interest in talking to people like that.



As for Bugeisha's mod idea, I personally would like to see katanas in Fallout. I think it's a good idea, and I don't understand why it matters if it doesn't fit into the setting.

 

[Roshambo]

I will, thanks.

Just think, the only real purpose you ever had here was to make people laugh. Good one!

I meant what I said literally. I wasn't trying to accuse anyone.

Let's see...you're a liar, too. I'll get to that in a moment.

Again, I asked a question out of sincere curiosity and made no attempt at lawyering whatsoever.

Are you so stupid as to believe I would even begin to consider that to have any basis in truth? Are you? Dear god, kid, you're getting more stupid with each thing you post.

I'm under the impression that many of your comments are in violation of the rules.

And therefore, in the manner presented, both accusing and rules-lawyering. Nice try, but it isn't working.

I simply asked if that was the case.

Do you think that your previous posts just don't exist after you post another, or am I talking to another personality of yours? You either have one serious case of a fucked up head or you're stupid enough to expect me to believe you at all, right when the evidence is staring me in the face.

And now, I'm going to bow out of this conversation because it's clear you aren't interested in being civilized, and I have no interest in talking to people like that.

Good, because I have no interest in talking to people who are stupidly arrogant and have no sense of netiquette or common courtesy. Do I walk into your living room and put my muddy shoes onto your coffee table? Hell no. I was raised better than that. Thank you for admitting you're a rude twat as well as the original schmuck; I don't care to learn your names, you idiots all blur together. Those who have some worth, stick. They are also here for longer since they know how things are handled. If you're an idiot, then you'd better be prepared to get my representative size 14 steel-toe up your ass.

Perhaps that's your problem, you didn't get enough beltings as a child.

As for Bugeisha's mod idea, I personally would like to see katanas in Fallout. I think it's a good idea, and I don't understand why it matters if it doesn't fit into the setting.

Go play FOS, crackhead.

 

[Silencer]

Alright guys, time out. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. If Bugeisha wants to make a model for a player holding a sword, why not let him? If there are people offering him help, why not let them? I mean, there could have been an unique weapon like that. If we bought an Alien Blaster, why not a katana?

Note that this may come in handy at the end of the day - so that one can in time add maybe not a katana , but a more Fallout-like "salvaged sword".

What's the big deal? Personally, Roshambo, I adhere to your position that yakuza don't fit into the Fallout setting well. But this has never been an issue, since they only appear in random encounters and aren't really a part of the game (at least not the main plot). Furthermore, if they're ina a mod, no one will be forced to use it - only the people that feel katanas would add to Fallout, instead of diminishing will do.

Good luck on the mod, Bugeisha, if you can indeed make it through.

 

[Roshambo]

Alright guys, time out. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. If Bugeisha wants to make a model for a player holding a sword, why not let him? If there are people offering him hel, why not let them? I mean, there could have been an unique weapon like that. If we bought an Alien Blaster, why not a katana?

Honestly, do you want to read the discussion first? The matter of the setting is a minor point and is at a take it or leave it basis. People will give their opinion of it, that's a given.

The part you are missing is that they didn't really want to make the model, they started wanting more and more and obviously didn't bother to do much looking on their own. The materials are in the Files link on the top of the forum. If the idiot can figure out how to register, which involves operating a mail client or another browser window, how the hell couldn't they use a simple to understand file download system?

No, the laziness is what has people's hackles up. The lying is what has mine up. Even after someone put down some really good instructions, they still couldn't be bothered to do anything on their own? Fuck 'em.

Good luck on the mod, Bugeisha, if you can indeed make it through.

You mean if Bugeisha can have someone make it for them.