I'm so disheartened

falloutfan1 said:
(which was amazing and in what? A year? Didn't fallout 4 get 7 years Dev time?)
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I've seen amazing art being done with mere coffee stains on napkins. And I've seen professional art that looks abhorrent and should be purged from earth. Time really doesn't matter, what matters is skill and passion and good management.
 
Welcome to the community, in my case what I learned from playing Fallout 4 is rolling your money up into a cigarette then smoking is is better than spending it on that game.
 
Seems like there are more and more people jumping ship from Bethesda.

I'm just glad I never bought Fallout 4 and and at this point, it's not even worth a buy on a steep discount. Hell, it's not even worth pirating. The game is just a sad caricature of what once was.
 
Taskeen said:
Seems like there are more and more people jumping ship from Bethesda.

I'm just glad I never bought Fallout 4
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Fallout 4 is the game that finally destroyed my faith in video games. There's tons of idiotic garbage games out there and Fallout was like a safe haven - a franchise that was above all that boring, dumbed down casual stuff. And I waited almost 7 years for one of the few games I actually truly was excited about.

But I saw it coming - Skyrim was dumbed down, and when they revealed the voiced protagonist and dialogue wheel I knew it was probably going to be dumbed down casual garbage. But nothing prepared me for how truly insultingly stupid and dumbed down it turned out.

They must think their fans are the dumbest people in the entire world to have writing, dialogue and characters this childish, shallow and awful and to still call it an RPG and then to sell a bunch of paid mods as DLC on top of that.
 
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falloutfan1 said:
I've seen people being called "ungreatful" and "spoiled" etc for admitting they don't like the workshop DLC.
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I've seen quite a bit of this tone around, and it infuriates me. A person taking issue with a product bought and paid for is not spoiled nor ungrateful. You have a right to state displeasure if goods and/or services are not rendered to one's liking. As if a company granting one the right to play a paid for game was an act of charity.
 
I keep reading people say 'The games don't have to cater to you', of which my response is yes, games have to cater to me. I'm their target audience, if they don't cater games to their target audience than what's the point?
 
Millim said:
I keep reading people say 'The games don't have to cater to you', of which my response is yes, games have to cater to me. I'm their target audience, if they don't cater games to their target audience than what's the point?
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I find myself falling out of the target audience for many if my favorite franchises.
To name a few:
  1. Fallout (of course)
  2. Dead space
  3. Resident evil
  4. Silent hill
Because every video game is becoming essentially the same way too many fanbases are becoming alienated within an entry or two. Honestly this is getting ridiculous.
 
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Resident evil VIII may bring you back.
In all honesty, I thought the last gen would be the gen to streamline, yet games that did so (resident evil, final fantasy) seem to be trying to pull back their lost audience while Bethesda continue to dumb down their games. You'd think they would have learnt not to do that and how much of a mistake that is.
 
Millim said:
I keep reading people say 'The games don't have to cater to you', of which my response is yes, games have to cater to me. I'm their target audience, if they don't cater games to their target audience than what's the point?
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Such an irony people defending Bethesda's games saying that. I always think that actual good games truly wouldn't cater to anyone, and would always strive to do its own intended thing. Undertale, Soulsborne games (which kind of streamlined with each entry, though), and obviously Fallout 1&2, all of them are not for everyone, and they never intend to.

Fallout 4, though? I can only facepalm myself the day a Bethesda apologist say things like, "Fallout 4 is not for everyone." :lmao:
 
Black Angel said:
Such an irony people defending Bethesda's games saying that. I always think that actual good games truly wouldn't cater to anyone, and would always strive to do its own intended thing. Undertale, Soulsborne games (which kind of streamlined with each entry, though), and obviously Fallout 1&2, all of them are not for everyone, and they never intend to.

Fallout 4, though? I can only facepalm myself the day a Bethesda apologist say things like, "Fallout 4 is not for everyone." :lmao:
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Eh, I'm not so sure that's a fair comparison. It was a very different PC market back in the '90s, people were more willing to try weird and new stuff. Fallout 1 and 2 were also straight up PC games, they did not need to balance anything for a console. Once 3 blew up with people brought up on sandbox games like GTA 3, it meant a huge shift in priorities, both good and bad.

Also, stuff like Undertale's a niche, indie game. It's goal are for a smaller audience, so it can get all quirky as it wants, yet most gamers aren't going to buy a game like that. A large company that wants big bucks are going to shy away from that and focus on trends and the like that have proven to be money makers.

The real issue is finding that sweet spot between the old fans and new, which is what New Vegas accomplished. You have a big old sandbox in either third or first person view, with FPS mechanics for the newer fans. Then you have story elements that connect all of the games together, sharp writing, good roleplaying and RPG elements, and varied quests for the older fans. A literal win-win.

Fallout 4's lazy, butchered for DLC sales, and caters mostly to trends, not even the newer fans. They might have gotten a lot of money from people who wanted something like 3 or NV, but we'll see how many get pumped up for the next Fallout game.
 
Millim said:
I keep reading people say 'The games don't have to cater to you', of which my response is yes, games have to cater to me. I'm their target audience, if they don't cater games to their target audience than what's the point?
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But you're not there target audience. There target audience is Console Players and people who just want to fuck around shooting Supermutants and shit.

People who take the series seriously, or have any former connection to Fallout, or are fans of previous installments have nothing to do with there target audience.
 
Personally, I think this forum is a bit of a circlejerk but honestly, I'd rather have that than having to be drowned out by a veritable army of screaming preteens burying me under an avalanche of misspelled swears for my opinion.

Don't get me wrong, it's pretty great here, I just wish we had a larger influx of Bethesda supporters with actual arguments as to why their preferred games are good to provide an intelligent tete-a-tete rather than repeating ourselves over and over and agreeing with each other whilst instantly dismissing having to dismiss any opposing view because it was proposed by a fan frothing at the mouth with zealous rage.

I actually think NMA as a community shines especially brightly when discussing anything that isn't Fallout. Everyone here is extremely civilized to one another and unlike any discussion to do with the site's dedicated franchise, when it comes to other topics members tend to have a whole spectrum of opinions to compare and contrast.
 
Millim said:
Resident evil VIII may bring you back.
In all honesty, I thought the last gen would be the gen to streamline, yet games that did so (resident evil, final fantasy) seem to be trying to pull back their lost audience while Bethesda continue to dumb down their games. You'd think they would have learnt not to do that and how much of a mistake that is.
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But look at it from their perspective - each game gets dumber and dumber, yet the sales grow bigger and bigger even as the fans of the older games throw up their hands in disgust and head for the exits. They seem to have, at least for the time being, tapped into a limitless market of people who think that "roleplaying" means nothing more than grinding levels until every character you create is a clone of the last one you created, an overpowered superman who amuses himself with collecting trash when he's not steamrolling another mob of raiders or ghouls or super mutants.

I don't know, maybe there actually is a limit to that market, and one day we'll hit a point where enough of them say "WTF?" and cause enough of a sales drop to where even Todd can't just bullshit it away. But so far I haven't seen anything to indicate that.
 
Black Angel said:
Such an irony people defending Bethesda's games saying that. I always think that actual good games truly wouldn't cater to anyone, and would always strive to do its own intended thing. Undertale, Soulsborne games (which kind of streamlined with each entry, though), and obviously Fallout 1&2, all of them are not for everyone, and they never intend to.

Fallout 4, though? I can only facepalm myself the day a Bethesda apologist say things like, "Fallout 4 is not for everyone." :lmao:
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Those people aren't Fallout fans. They're Bethesda fans.

Some arguments are so stupid I would not be surprised if they were paid astroturfers. "If you don't like Fallout 4 it's because you were expecting a different game." No sh*t - I was expecting a role-playing game.

Bethesda is trying to alienate every fan of Fallout 1, 2, 3, and New Vegas and replace them with casual FPS fans. It's the only explanation I can come up with for the direction of Fallout 4. It's like they took an MMO and made it singleplayer offline mode.
 
You're going to find allies here. The Bethesda fanbase has declared war on us, so we hide in our nuclear bunker and wait for another Obsidian-developed Fallout game.

I was going to say to avoid Wasteland 2 like the friggin' plague, but apparently you liked it so "eh." If you own New Vegas on PC, I say now is the time to mod the fuck out of it.
 
Wasteland 2 just felt like a slog. It committed the cardinal sin of gaming; it was boring. The story was "eh," and the gameplay sucked.
 
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