I'm sorry, mang, but Web 2.0 is definitely failing

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Nevermind the retarded overflated price-tag on Youtube and the fact that most people are waking up to the fact that Web 2.0 = Bubble 2.0

But the central institution of Bubble 2.0 is really being defaced. I think we can officially stamp it a failure now. Why? Because, despite the theoretically limitless space that is the internet, Wikipedia editors have decided to have a witchhunt to remove content that's not "relevant enough". Good, you'd say, except that the whole point of Wikipedia was that something was relevant the moment someone would search for it, and that any informational value attached to Dostoevsky over South Park is an arbitrary one. If that central philosophy is dropped, the only thing that seperates Wikipedia from a general encyclopedia (apart from its being free) is that it's bigger and easier to vandalize.

Some of the riot centers around webcomics...for instance, the removal of the fairly popular (and fairly shitty) webcomic Evil Inc. But this guy said it best:


Okay, I saw this one coming a mile away.

There has been much written about Wikipedia lately, especially it's treatment of webcomics. And while it all seems rather arbitrary, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I do feel bad for the people who put the time and effort into making the page in the first place. It seems that as Wikipedia gets more users among the general public, it's become a bit of a laughing stock among the more web savvy who were there before it came along. And don't email me in protest. It's just true.

The funny thing is that we all started putting our content on the internet because there were no editors to tell us we didn't measure up, weren't good enough, etc. And out of that freedom came some damn fine comics and other forms of entertainment that nobody would have seen otherwise if not for the web. So along comes Wikipedia and it's "anyone can edit" philosophy and here comes the editors. Which can be a good thing when positive people out there seek to expand the available info, but in the end, a bad thing because of the negative ones who see their purpose as narrowing the scope of the internet.

They'll find you, man, those editors.


Web 2.0 becomes Bubble 2.0 becomes Flop 2.0

Yay progression! Bubble 2.0 fails much in the same way communism fails, lack of taking the fact that humans are involved into account
 
Some comics being taken down from Wikipedia hardly seems like the sign of the apocalypse

It seems a bit silly to predict the "burst" with just that as evidence

you cannot discount the power of communities even if there are some fucks out there who like to ruin things for others
 
The problem is, that there are more Wikipedia admins without any life than there is good ones. Plus, Wikipedia slowly becomes the next "drama" culprit.
 
dernachtwandler said:
Some comics being taken down from Wikipedia hardly seems like the sign of the apocalypse

I don't give a hoot about webcomics being removed from Wikipedia, the fact is that it's the end of their philosophy; the moment you induce "relevance" as a necessary quality in Wikipedia articles, you just started the end.
 
Well like I wrote above,

I don't think abusing the editing function in wikipedia is indicative of the downfall of web 2.0 (whatever the fuck that term has come to mean anyways :P)

I do wholeheartedly agree that some power hungry bastards tend to drag the experience down
 
dernachtwandler said:
I don't think abusing the editing function in wikipedia is indicative of the downfall of web 2.0 (whatever the fuck that term has come to mean anyways :P)

How is it not indicative?

Bubble 2.0 is freedomfreedomfreedom. All films online on Youtube. All articles online on Wikipedia. All opinions online on Blogs. All news on Digg. No limit, no roof, the stars are your borders.

If there is a human enforced limit (ignoring for a second the "no nudity" rule of Youtube, which has other accessability reasons), the whole idea crumbles.
 
Talking about Wikipedia, i work with people who uses wikipedia as a reliable source of information.
Do you know how frustrating it is to tell an engineer that i won't accept the specs he's givin' me because he took them off wikipedia?
him: Wikipedia is a reliable source of information, they also started to remove "crap" articles.
(i know the sentence in itself doesn't make sense.
me after editing the page to chnage the gun's weight to 38 tonnes : check it again, the specs are wrong.
him: you can'T do that, wikipedia will get on your case.
ME: i didn't do anything, besides can you be sure that i didn't do anything else to the articles.

he'S a fucking engineer, and instead of using the specs of the weapons they bought from their files, he finds it more efficient to look it up in wikipedia. Now this latest moves from Wiki, makes people think that he makes sense now.


AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
Kharn I understand what you are saying. I'm not looking for an argument just simply stating that I don't think the whole concept of user managed communities is going away that's all

Maybe Wikipedia will become a joke, who knows..... others will take its place. In other words the sky isn't falling :wink:
 
Ugly John said:
he'S a fucking engineer, and instead of using the specs of the weapons they bought from their files, he finds it more efficient to look it up in wikipedia. Now this latest moves from Wiki, makes people think that he makes sense now.

Teehee. The same problem has arisen in our university courses. We have always been prohibited of using Wikipedia as a source, but they're cracking down on it more and more, as more and more stupid, malinformed opinions are spouted across the classroom.

dernachtwandlung said:
I'm not looking for an argument just simply stating that I don't think the whole concept of user managed communities is going away that's all

Never said it was, I said the Hype is crumbling. A lah.

PS: Wikipedia *is* a joke.
 
You're a vicious anti wiki zealot though kharn.

Web 2.0 is a bad idea anyways, sticking tons of cruft onto probably the worst platform that could be imagined... Really, web browsers are meant to display images, text, etc, they're not meant to replace your word processor, and the people who are trying to do so need a swift kick to the testicles.

The whole idea, like free love, is based on the faulty premise that no one will want to take advantage (in an exploitative sense) of what you're offering, that their motives are pure and they're disease free.

The reality is a bit different tho, to paraphrase one of those 200(x) movies "my god, it's full of trolls!".
 
wibbly pig said:
You're a vicious anti wiki zealot though kharn.

Don't you know it? Wikipedia is the windmill and I Don Quixote.

wibbly pig said:
Really, web browsers are meant to display images, text, etc, they're not meant to replace your word processor, and the people who are trying to do so need a swift kick to the testicles.

stfu u idot web 2.0 = beroswe plus type plus sex plus anything +1
 
Kharn said:
wibbly pig said:
You're a vicious anti wiki zealot though kharn.

Don't you know it? Wikipedia is the windmill and I Don Quixote.

tilt away, you crazy dutchy

wibbly pig said:
Really, web browsers are meant to display images, text, etc, they're not meant to replace your word processor, and the people who are trying to do so need a swift kick to the testicles.

stfu u idot web 2.0 = beroswe plus type plus sex plus anything +1
Yeah, so is that like a counterpoint, or something?[/i]
 
I recall an excellent article on the Wired mag about wiki.

Wiki is just a really interesting experiment. Will long tails ever do better than hits? Who knows. The 20/80 rule still stands for many things in the world today.

It does remind me of a movie about a governor that I saw on the plane on my way to HK. "There ain't nobody out there that will help a hick except the hick himself." Or something like that. Wiki is like that. Right or wrong, it is liberalizing information in a certain sense. There is a reason China banned it. (I still can't get on it)

And let's face it, people are lazy. It is often more convenient and probably cheaper to use wiki. And wiki is often good enough for the average user, but when is good enough, well, good enough?

I do recall one thing mentioned in the Wired article, wiki is forcing a lot of scientific publications/big books of knowledge to rethink their stance. Well, no matter how up to date and inclusive you are, how do you beat Free? There are a lot of younger generation of researchers who may or may not have an interesting research, but they will be damned before they can get a 2" by 2" in Nature. Face it, a lot of this stuff is fairly elitist. Of course, this supposly makes researches that make it important and worthwhile. But then you can't really avoid politics. So there is a push to use wiki as a platform to form an open source scientific publication.

Anyway, no matter the case, I for one am sick of paying for information on "up to date"/"leading edge" medical researches that I need for my work, because most of the time, I can probably find it somewhere for free. I am just too lazy to do it. I guess this is the only time when service convenience out weights free.
 
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