Intelligence in the US = Total fuck up.

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Ok, so this is beating a dead horse but....

Imagine-
Intelligence Officer- "Mr. President. We think there are WMD's in Iraq"

President W- "Jeez that's too bad. What should we do?"

Rumsfield - "Well we get blast them off the face of the earth, lousey camel fuckers."

President W- "That's lovely. Ok, so what are the costs?"

Rummy- "Well, I think we can take the entire country with only a few thousand american dead, maybe less than 100K Iraqi dead and hundreds of billions of dollars."

President. "Well hmmm.. that much hunh? Sounds like more debt"

Rummy - "It's that or we can spend the money on pussy stuff like health care, employment growth, economic renewal and development. But common W don't ya want to be a cowboy!"

President- "Yeah..... Those Iraqi bastards.... "

Critical Commentary- at some point someone might have said.

"By the way, how sure are you that you're right about this WMD stuff."

Intelligence Officer- "We're not. Actually we have no fucking clue. Worse we haven't had a fucking clue since you took office. We're really just guessing. We further suggest you attack Cracker Jack because we think they are hiding WMD in that Cracker Jack Surprise."

Now, you have to wonder, who is reponsible for this?

Report: Iraq intelligence 'dead wrong'
Bush says fundamental changes needed in spy agencies
Friday, April 1, 2005 Posted: 5:15 PM EST (2215 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a scathing report on the intelligence community, a presidential commission Thursday said the United States still knows "disturbingly little" about the weapons programs and intentions of many of its "most dangerous adversaries."

In real words this means the US intelligence agencies are clueless.

The panel also determined the intelligence community was "dead wrong" in its assessments of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities before the U.S. invasion.

Oops.

"This was a major intelligence failure," said a letter from the commission to President Bush.

Which means someone should get fired, right?

The panel -- called the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction -- formally presented its report to Bush on Thursday morning.

Bush praised the commission for presenting an "unvarnished look at our intelligence community."

He said the report's recommendations were "thoughtful and extremely significant," adding that the "central conclusion is one that I share -- America's intelligence community needs fundamental change to successfully confront the threats of the 21st century."

Hmm- does this mean more intelligence will go to Rummy's DIA and not CIA?

The commission lists numerous intelligence shortcomings and makes more than 70 recommendations in the almost 600-page report.

The report calls for a complete transformation of the intelligence community, which it described as "fragmented, loosely managed and poorly coordinated."

"The 15 intelligence organizations are a 'community' in name only and rarely act with a unity of purpose," the panel said in its overview of the report.

The report also expressed misgivings about U.S. intelligence on Iran, North Korea, China and Russia, but it said most of those findings were classified.

"We can say here that we found that we have only limited access to critical information about several of these high-priority intelligence targets," the report said.

The panel said it believes the intelligence community still knows little about the nuclear programs of many adversaries. It noted that in some cases, the community knows less than it did five or seven years ago.

That's reassuring.

The commission did cite some recent success stories, such as dismantling Libya's nuclear program and penetrating Pakistani scientist A.Q. Khan's nuclear proliferation network.

'Serious errors'
After the intelligence failures in Iraq, Bush appointed the nine-member commission led by Laurence Silberman, a senior federal appellate court judge and a Republican who was in the Nixon and Ford administrations, and former Sen. and Virginia Gov. Chuck Robb, a Democrat.

An October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate warned that Iraq was pursuing weapons of mass destruction, had reconstituted its nuclear weapon program and had biological and chemical weapons.

The Bush administration used those conclusions as part of its argument for the March 2003 invasion of Iraq.

But the Iraq Survey Group -- set up to look for weapons of mass destruction or evidence of them in the country -- issued a final report saying it saw no weapons or no evidence that Iraq was trying to reconstitute them.

The commission's report said the principal cause of the intelligence failures was the intelligence community's "inability to collect good information about Iraq's WMD programs, serious errors in analyzing what information it could gather and a failure to make clear just how much of its analysis was based on assumptions rather than good evidence."

OK, so this means that whole, "we know there are WMDS in Iraq" was total bullshit.
- Yes, I know. This is for all of those who still can't figure the truth from the lie.

The report said analysts were "too wedded" to assumptions about Saddam Hussein's intentions.

"The single most prominent recurring theme" of its recommendations is "stronger and more centralized management of the intelligence community, and, in general, the creation of a genuinely integrated community, instead of a loose confederation of independent agencies."

The panel urged Bush to give broad authority to John Negroponte when he is confirmed as the director of national intelligence.

"It won't be easy to provide this leadership to the intelligence components of the Defense Department or to the CIA. They are some of the government's most headstrong agencies," the report warned the president.

"Sooner or later, they will try to run around -- or over -- the [director of national intelligence]. Then, only your determined backing will convince them that we cannot return to the old ways."

The report also called for changes at the FBI, including the creation of a new National Security Service that would merge the agency's counterterrorism and counterintelligence divisions.

The commission recommended establishing: a National Counterproliferation Center to oversee intelligence on nuclear, biological and chemical weapons; a new human intelligence directorate in the CIA; and mission managers to coordinate analysis on specific topics across the entire intelligence community.

'Much to be done'
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid faulted the report for failing to address "our national security policy-making process."

"I believe it is essential that we hold both the intelligence agencies and senior policy-makers accountable," the Nevada Democrat said.

Reid called on the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Kansas Sen. Pat Roberts, "to investigate whether Bush administration officials misused intelligence."

CIA Director Porter Goss welcomed the report, saying the commission was "right to underscore the difficulty of gathering intelligence on the WMD issue." Goss agreed that there is a need for "more robust" intelligence collection and analysis.

"We can never be complacent," said Goss, adding "there is still much to be done" to transform the intelligence community.

In a prepared statement, former CIA Director George Tenet called the report a "serious" one with recommendations that require "careful consideration."

Tenet, who left the CIA last summer after a seven-year tenure, said he wished the commission had reflected more on how far the community has come in "rebuilding American intelligence."

Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat and vice chairman of the intelligence committee, said the report underscores that the intelligence community, Congress and the White House have "more work to do."

"The threat posed to our national security from the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction is real, lasting and growing," he said. "We must learn from our past errors."

Or is the simple realization that we can't keep invading every country we think has WMDs?

Michael Chertoff, the new head of the Department of Homeland Security, said his agency has implemented numerous new policies to better safeguard the nation.

"We will utilize this report as guidance to strengthen these efforts," he said.
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And the amazing thing? No one is held accountable.

I mean really, if this was the Clinton Administration, conservatives would be calling for impeachment. With this administration, you can be naughty and not even spanked.

Apparently accountability and responsibility are not republican ideas.
 
Well, since the evidence with which they justified the war was admitted to be fake (TBH even if it wasn't, it wouldn't have been legal evidence because it was too easy to manipulate) and by now everybody knew the Iraq can't have had WMDs at the point of invasion, what's the surprise in that?

The intelligence reports were known to be shallow to say the least. It's only now that someone admits it officially.
 
Am I the only one who thinks that the WMD's were just an excuse and not the real reason for the war?
 
::snort::

Oh, come on. Don't say that. Everybody knows the US wouldn't invade a foreign country that's causing political and economical troubles unless there's a serious imminent reason to do so and all other options have been tried out.

...

Yeah, right.
 
War. War never changes. The end of the world occured much like we expected it to. The details are trivial and pointless. The reasons -as always- are strictly George W. Bush's. The world fell into destruction shortly after he held office. Great vaults were constructed to house all of texas, but no other state. Before the great vault 0, constructed out of wood and straw could be finished, the missiles left the silos. The horses have ran out of the vault. Life in the vault, was about to change.
 
I kept reading and found that hilarious until I got to the part where you change the words. It's still funny, but I thought that the original blurb would have been more appropriate. :wink:
 
DarkLegacy said:
War. War never changes. The end of the world occured much like we expected it to. The details are trivial and pointless. The reasons -as always- are strictly George W. Bush's. The world fell into destruction shortly after he held office. Great vaults were constructed to house all of texas, but no other state. Before the great vault 0, constructed out of wood and straw could be finished, the missiles left the silos. The horses have ran out of the vault. Life in the vault, was about to change.

:rofl:

:notworthy:

I will never forget how you did that Dark Legacy...thank you.

Very Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
It's genuinely alarming that the world is going almost exactly as Fallout did, just with a slightly different cast.

I need to build that fucking bomb shelter.
 
Apparently accountability and responsibility are not republican ideas.

Amen. It's a sad world we live in when people are no longer held acountable for their actions. I was raised with a "you do the crime, you do the time" mentality, and i have no respect for someone who refuses to take responsibility for their actions.

Dubbya, Rumsfield, and the rest just can't seem to do anything but avoid the question with bullshit answers. I would have much more respect for the man if he would just admit his mistake. Presumiming it was a mistake and not just an excuse to invade anyway.

The same seems to go for most of the government though, absolute power corrupts absolutely so they say. Not that their all bad, it just seems to be the majority.

Thinking back on it, it seems to be a recurring theme throughout history however.

Oh well..

When oil prices skyrocket, and China really starts cutting in on supplies, it's off to war again and we can all kiss are asses goodbye.

Except me, i'm in my shelter as we speak, moved in when Bush got re-elected. Got plenty of canned goods, radaway, and my trusty sawed off, so i'm good :o
 
So this time, when China invades by way of Alaska, Chinese armed forces won't be crippled by a lack of fuel and the USA won't push them back to their home capital of Beijing? :wink:
 
And if numbers are anything to go by....I can just imagine it...Jet, watel chip malfunction and we have no spale. You must go out in wasteland, find spale chip, make laundly and find dog for soup.
 
Don't forget taking revenge on the ninja who killed your parents, while you're at it.
 
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