Jesus didn't go to school

Shadowbird

Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Did he? Well, OK, at that time I don't think any kids went to school. But as I recall from the Bible, he did spend a lot of time alone. His teachings are still followed by majority of the people, after thousands of years.

Neither did Buddha. He created Buddhism after spending many years in solitude (in a forest, IIRC). He created another one of the largest-followed teachings of even today. Also quite some time.

Albert Einstein: In elementary school, Albert was such an under achiever in all subjects other than math and science that his parents suspected that he might be retarded. As it turned out, Albert preferred to learn on his own and had taught himself advanced mathematics and science by the time he was a teenager.

Thomas Alva Edison: When he was born in 1847, in Milan, Ohio, his brothers and sisters were much older than him; so Edison basically grew up by himself. Edison was a very curious child, a trait that often got him into trouble. At age five, he almost suffocated when he tumbled into a grain silo. Once he accidentally burned down his family's barn (fortunately, the animals were all out already). Edison's constant questions annoyed his teachers. Edison's mother, who had been a schoolteacher, took Edison out of school to home-school him herself. Fortunately for Edison, his mother let him study subjects he was interested in. She allowed him to create his own experiments, read a lot, and avoid subjects like math.


The point of all this? A thought that has been sitting in my mind for quite some time now: Civilized society insists that any "upstanding member" of it must have at least some kind of education, your grades and diplomas are the measure of your inelligence, without a university degree you can't officially get anywhere. There is a detailed education system, which is considered "right" (of course flaws are everywhere, but in general it is) and that everyone should learn by following it.
This also includes the "duty" of socialization - most parents are annoyed by kids who don't play with other kids but spend time reading or just strolling around, and a school is, as considered by most people, also the school of socialization and fitting in the society.
Anyone "deprived" of this duty is considered unlucky and unjustly treated, anyone not able to learn the way the education system dictates (can't keep up with others) is considered retard, and anyone intentionally avoiding this is considered reckless, stupid and future criminal.

Yet the gratest minds, as admitted by this very system, did not have any 'education' in the civilized sense of the word, or were very bad at it, and came up with ideas that made them known for centuries and thousands of years to come.

Even outside the education system, anyone who's a loner and doesn't "go out with girls" or "have a drink with friends" regulary is also mostly considered retard or just lame - the beforementioned great people were also loners and did things their own way.

Your thoughts?

P.S. The guy who built the coral castle also had only 4 grades of education and was a loner.
 
Thread said:
Jesus didn't go to school

Really, maybe because there were no schools to speak of at the time in Jerusalem? According to the Bible, he did impress some wise men at the temple.
 
Jesus didn't go to school because he was a carpenter. Back in his time, people didn't go to formal "schools", they learned trades from their relatives and townsmen.

There's nothing wrong with being self taught and a loner. To truly be a loner, though, you can't take any stock in what society labels you anyway.
 
Wooz said:
Really, maybe because there were no schools to speak of at the time in Jerusalem? According to the Bible, he did impress some wise men at the temple.
Nope Sir. Jerusalem was the capital of a province of the Roman empire, thus there surely were schools.
But there is a reason he was named "Jesus of Nazareth", he did not live in Jerusalem :wink:.
 
calculon00 said:
The system is designed to cater to the lowest denominator.

I couldnt agree more...thanks Calculon.

Its true Shadowbird. People who excel end up apart from others, because their too far ahead just as much as those left behind are apart.

Just dont take any labels seriously.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
satanisgreat9 said:
There's nothing wrong with being self taught and a loner. To truly be a loner, though, you can't take any stock in what society labels you anyway.
I'm not saying it's impossible to live without education, I'm pointing out that the contradiction that the education and social system which basically dictates how you will live your life (what choices you will have to make) bring you teachings of renowned great men, at the same time ignoring the fact they they most likely came to these great timeless ideas because they avoided the system.

Wooz said:
Really, maybe because there were no schools to speak of at the time in Jerusalem?
Which is what I mentioned in the first line of my post. Instead of repeating my points, how about contributing something to the thread (your thoughts on the subject).
 
Did the unibomber go to school? He was a loner and only the greatest loner ever! :roll:

Mohrg :twisted:
 
Shadowbird said:
Neither did Buddha. He created Buddhism after spending many years in solitude (in a forest, IIRC). He created another one of the largest-followed teachings of even today. Also quite some time.

Yes, but before drawing back into the forest he was raised as the son of a powerfull king, recieving the best life could possibly offer - including the wisest teachers of the land.

It is written. Quite literally.
 
Shadowbird said:
I'm not saying it's impossible to live without education, I'm pointing out that the contradiction that the education and social system which basically dictates how you will live your life (what choices you will have to make) bring you teachings of renowned great men, at the same time ignoring the fact they they most likely came to these great timeless ideas because they avoided the system.

I'm not a big fan of the school system myself, but the fact is these people are exceptions to the rule. For every Einstein, Edison, and Tarantino, there are about a thousand dropouts and underachievers who are criminals and morons. There are also many college graduates who move back in with their parents after they graduate and end up getting crap jobs and doing nothing with their lives anyway.

I don't think the deciding factor of intelligence or usefulness to society has anything to do with formal education, it's more in the disposition of the individual and his/her talents and skills.

The reason schools fail to mention that many geniuses never graduated high school is because it's not the norm. For the vast majority of people, the chances of getting a decent job and a higher quality of living is in fact dependant on going through higher education. That's just how society works.
 
Jesus didn't go to school, he spent his day working for his father and learning the family trade, in all likelyhood.

If a kid doesn't go to school now a days, chances are they sit around and do nothing productive. I would also like to thing the school system allows for progressive levels of achievement where better students take harder classes.

You are right, though, a college degree isn't gospel (no pun intended). However, it is the best system we have right now.
 
I was reading some stuff about the middle age and about monastries and it said that monks were forced to learn boring things in order to make them more obediante. And the schools in monastries are what now-day schools have developped from.
I was a bit shocked, that schools were orriginally made to make people more obediant.

I think that if people became so advanced, that they themselves would seek to learn, the education system would whitter. For now, most of the people would be too lazy to became educated if they weren't forced to be.
On the other hand, I'm not sure it makes them better that they are forced to pretend to learn...
 
You obviously forget the vast, vast, vast majority of scientists, inventors and geniuses who did go to school and did get an education. No, it isn't impossible to be educated without having gotten much of an education, but it happens so little that it's silly to do anything based on that.
Often smart children are annoyed in school because it's all much too easy. They only want to do anything when it's challenging.

Also, no, calculon, the system doesn't cater to the lowest common demoninator. Most countries have several different levels of education at any point in life, which is carried through to the highest level, which is how the 'lowest common demoninator' problem is in part eliminated.
 
satanisgreat9 said:
For every Einstein, Edison, and Tarantino, there are about a thousand dropouts and underachievers who are criminals and morons. There are also many college graduates who move back in with their parents after they graduate and end up getting crap jobs and doing nothing with their lives anyway.
And there are many criminals and morons with high-school and/or college education. I think this has more to do with where/how you grow up than whether you go to school or not.
Creating something like a great religion requires wisdom. Wisdom requires some knowledge and a bit of intelligence, but most of all - it require solitude. Most people don't know why they think or feel something (i.e. why they don't like someone or what's wrong with their relationship) because they never go somewhere alone and just *think* about it. If they do, to other's it looks like they are not doing anything, just walking around/lying there.

kibrika said:
I was reading some stuff about the middle age
Try "medieval".

The_Vault_Dweller said:
People who excel end up apart from others
Not just those who excel or can't keep up. Anyone who's different enough. Unless he's ready to crack heads (find a way - socially and/or physically) to prove his right to be different, he will be eaten like a sick wolf in a wolf pack. This is more in reference to the point of school being the "social training ground" than the one about education system.

Sander said:
You obviously forget the vast, vast, vast majority of scientists, inventors and geniuses who did go to school and did get an education.
Can't think of any. Enlighten me. BTW, adding Edison to the list was a bit of a mistake on my part. AFAIK all he did was invent the light bulb, while all the others had come to great (global) revelations, theories or ideas.
 
oh god... not the timecube...

* pulls out a gun & shoots himself after clicking the link *
 
Hey, he's not insane, he's just wise.

Also, he'll be holding a lecture. Or at least he thinks he will.

...

I'd actually take a look if I would live a bit closer.
 
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