LCD native resolution...

[gregor_y]

Hey i just have 3 questions:

1.From what i understand on LCD is fixed amount of pixels so i cant really increase this value beyond my native 1680x1050 right? on CRT you could increase amount of pixels...

2.I increased resolution to 1920x1050 but i its just stretched so still 1680x1050 pixels so actually theres no risk my monitor will go in flames?

3.Currently im running new resolution at 59Hz(no idea why 59Hz its W7 thing) if i increase refresh rate my monitor will die faster?

Thanks for help

 

[Sander]

Hey i just have 3 questions:

1.From what i understand on LCD is fixed amount of pixels so i cant really increase this value beyond my native 1680x1050 right? on CRT you could increase amount of pixels...

Huh? No you couldn't. CRTs also have a hard resolution limit.
The difference is that LCDs look signifcantly worse at lower resolutions.

2.I increased resolution to 1920x1050 but i its just stretched so still 1680x1050 pixels so actually theres no risk my monitor will go in flames?

No, this will not hurt your monitor.

3.Currently im running new resolution at 59Hz(no idea why 59Hz its W7 thing) if i increase refresh rate my monitor will die faster?

Thanks for help

For as far as I know this has no effect at all, other than how often a signal is sent to the monitor, which doesn't effect the lifetime of your monitor.

Also, has the art of looking something up for yourself completely disappeared?

 

[gregor_y]

Also, has the art of looking something up for yourself completely disappeared?

I just want to be 100% sure ofcourse google found those answears for me but you know you can never be to sure so thanks for answears

Any way your right low res looks crapy on LCD except i found resolution that looks great 1280x800 i use it in gaming and in windows i use 1920x1050 maybe i increase it a bit to 2048x1050...

 

[SuAside]

the 'looks crappy' part is because the monitor has to translate the image to fit the native res.

to say it simplistically, it's like increasing the size of a JPEG by 50%. it won't be very nice. doesn't look very natural. but if you increase it by 100%, it looks pretty ok.

with 50%, the software isn't quite sure what pixels to use and will alternate. whereas blowing up by 100%, you simply double all pixels.

not 100% true, but simplistically, that's true for TFT/LCD monitors. if your native res is 1680x1050, and you're watching 1920x1050 it will be very ugly because it stretches only one way. 1280x800 looks better because both height and width will be stretched by about 20%, and aspect ratio is more or less preserved.

 

[gregor_y]

the 'looks crappy' part is because the monitor has to translate the image to fit the native res.

not 100% true, but simplistically, that's true for TFT/LCD monitors. if your native res is 1680x1050, and you're watching 1920x1050 it will be very ugly because it stretches only one way. 1280x800 looks better because both height and width will be stretched by about 20%, and aspect ratio is more or less preserved.

OK i know that

Still i cant get 1920x1080 my monitor got problem with vertical...so im planin on expanding more horizontal still im not sure if it will not hurt my monitor...

Also picture is still sharp i can read small text no problem

 

[cronicler]

Some LCD monitors (well most of the newer models) allow you to change the size from 16:9 to 4:3. You will have some black empty spaces on the sides but it allows you to display some of the 4:3 resolutions without too much trouble.

 

[Kyuu]

1.From what i understand on LCD is fixed amount of pixels so i cant really increase this value beyond my native 1680x1050 right? on CRT you could increase amount of pixels...

Huh? No you couldn't. CRTs also have a hard resolution limit.
The difference is that LCDs look signifcantly worse at lower resolutions.

While CRTs can't display any resolution, of course, multisync technology actually allows them to display different resolutions with no degradation of image quality by adjusting the electron beams that produce the image (well technically the phosphors produce the image, but you know what I mean). Unlike LCDs, which can actually only display a single resolution (the "native resolution," which is equivalent to the actual number of pixels that make up the screen), and any source that isn't of the same resolution has to be scaled up or down to be displayed at that resolution.

Now, as Suaside explained, most LCD's scaling software do a good job and you'll notice little loss of quality as long as it isn't trying to fit something that doesn't really scale well to the native resolution. Also, if the source is low quality, the scaling will generally make it look even lower quality. These are the factors that cause standard definition TV to actually look worse on an LCD HDTV than it does on a standard-def TV.

You don't have to worry about your resolution or refresh rate damaging your LCD monitor though. Least not to my knowledge.

 

[gregor_y]

Some LCD monitors (well most of the newer models) allow you to change the size from 16:9 to 4:3. You will have some black empty spaces on the sides but it allows you to display some of the 4:3 resolutions without too much trouble.

Uhh why i want do that? if i play even old game for example using dosbox in 320x240 i wouldent want to have black bars to cover 90% of my screen

@Kyuu thx it was helpfull any way i had CRT with multisync and it died in 2 years i dident go beyond recomended resolution it was just crapy product no more Samsung for me...

And i know how scaling works for example native is 1600x1200 so best looking low res would be 800x600...in my case it would be hm 840x525x2=1680x1050 why? becouse theres no scaling pixels would be just larger so no lose in quality

Also im happy that theres no risk to monitor im planing on cheaking other resolution 2048x1050 so i could fit 2 documents at once

Why 1050 ok heres the thing:

My LCD can pass 1050 vertical but i dont got controls to adjust it in monitor menu even with out side software i fail i only got thing to adjust horizontal...

And secound i dont need more than 1050 so im fine with it mouse wheel works fine here

So i need to ask you guys you miss vertical options in monitor menu too its normal?

Edit: 2048x1050 works fine so far even scaling looks very good i dont see any problems maybe i post screen shot? i cheaked monitor options and it says 1680x1050 so i think theres really no risk for monitor LCD is fucking awesome

Also im traying no to pass 146k of ramdac use that i had in 1680x1050 so i use 50Hz refresh rate in 2048x1050...

 

[Sander]

While CRTs can't display any resolution, of course, multisync technology actually allows them to display different resolutions with no degradation of image quality by adjusting the electron beams that produce the image (well technically the phosphors produce the image, but you know what I mean). Unlike LCDs, which can actually only display a single resolution (the "native resolution," which is equivalent to the actual number of pixels that make up the screen), and any source that isn't of the same resolution has to be scaled up or down to be displayed at that resolution.

Yes, I know. But a CRT still can't display a resolution above its hardware limitation (ie its 'native' resolution).

@Kyuu thx it was helpfull any way i had CRT with multisync and it died in 2 years i dident go beyond recomended resolution it was just crapy product no more Samsung for me...

Ehm, yeah, I wouldn't let one incident taint an entire brand for you. Especially given the fact that Samsung is pretty damned great at producing LCD monitors.

 

[gregor_y]

Ehm, yeah, I wouldn't let one incident taint an entire brand for you. Especially given the fact that Samsung is pretty damned great at producing LCD monitors.

Well for example i had Asus motherboards and i said i will never buy this crap again...and now im happy gigabyte motherboard owner they overlock like crazy cpu by 60% ram not much maybe 20% gpu had 15% oc but i couldent use extra 15% anyway to weak cpu

Now im running my lcd 2048x1050 picture is clear and sharp i see no problems

 

[Sander]

Well for example i had Asus motherboards and i said i will never buy this crap again...and now im happy gigabyte motherboard owner they overlock like crazy cpu by 60% ram not much maybe 20% gpu had 15% oc but i couldent use extra 15% anyway to weak cpu

There's always problematic products. The fact that you just happen to encounter one with a certain brand that otherwise has a great reputation should not let that brand be ruined for you. It just means that you're closing off a perfectly viable option for no valid reason.

 

[gregor_y]

There's always problematic products. The fact that you just happen to encounter one with a certain brand that otherwise has a great reputation should not let that brand be ruined for you. It just means that you're closing off a perfectly viable option for no valid reason.

True...still i got kinda pissed he burned when my varanty expired 3 or 4 weaks earlier...so i think it was conspiracy so i would buy secound one...no joke here it really broke after varanty expired

Any way when my monitor break i buy new one a bigger one

 

[JayGrey]

"Some LCD monitors (well most of the newer models) allow you to change the size from 16:9 to 4:3."
90% of your screen? More so, about 15%. Advantage is that there's no 16:9 stretch of a 4:3 game.
Though, using the 4:3 setting on a 16:9 monitor, so that you have those black boxes . . . Well, if you use the 4:3 aspect ratio a great deal, you'll get permenate "stains" . . .
The key is, in 4:3, does the monitor turn of the section of the back-light?

Speaking of old CRT's, I had a 21" multisync Daewoo from 2000 (purchased at one of the military stores, Cannex) . . . Lasted untill I threw it out. Same goes for an ancient 14" from 1995.

Now, I bought a Samsung 32" TV. I most often have it in 4:3 aspect ratio, because I'm too cheap to purchase an HD cable box. Because of this (I'm assuming), after 2 years use, there are now permanent lines on it, and a stain that is moving into the picture . . . Unpleasant.

Got an HP w2207 that I use for a computer monitor, without any problems. Currently, the resolution is at 1440 x 900 x 60 Hz (because my eyes are bad and raising DPI for fonts is . . . ugly). No problems from it, even though its 2 years old.

Finally, if I remember correct, consumer electronics are only suppose to last 3 years. (Maybe that's just a rumor, though.)