Life After Death

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Serifan

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I just found out my friend in on life support, she had an operation but she got an infection which has caused her longs to collapse, It doesnt look like she will make it.

It is really got me thinking about life after death and if it is even possible. I mean I don't belive in heaven or a hell. I guess it is hard to come to terms that when you die you are dead there is nothing, no heaven no hell no 40 virgins you just die. I could be wrong maybe there is something else when you die, maybe we do have souls that leave our body continue onto the next step.

I just don't know what are all your thoughts on the afterlife.
 
My thought about life after death are that there is some. But the bad news is that it's like prolonged life that you can't do anything about, like being a marionette that has it's strings cut of, and the stream of consciousness pulsing with every electrical pulse that goes trough you. This is why I wouldn't like to be in the artificial life support even for a minute. Or dieing to a pool of Electric eels.

Serifan said:
I just found out my friend in on life support, she had an operation but she got an infection which has caused her lungs to collapse. It doesn't look like she will make it.
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But she might, but then again, she might die from the infection, or from an asteroid, but that's life.
 
Sorry to hear that Seri.

I haven't thought about it, and don't intend to. As I don't want to think of death as life is great, no matter what minor shit happens. But for all I know, life after death may be determined on which religion you are convinced or persuaded by.
 
Death is part of life, or else, there wouldn't be that many that relies from it, even us(plant life...). So that's life.
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But Serifan, tell us about her, cause I am a humanitarian and I am trying to get a happy meal, and the life of the dead is of importance in one. :twisted:
 
Jarno Mikkola said:
But she might, but then again, she might die from the infection, or from an asteroid, but that's life.
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That's ususally not the first thing you say to comfort people...

My condoleances if she doesn't make it, Serifan. It's especially hard if she's young and if she's a close friend.

Don't ponder too much about the afterlife and stuff, it usually makes it worse.

Jarno, you're a douchebag.
 
Yeah, I had a missus once that, once you got her thinking (which wasn't often), she cried about the fact that she could die at any time.

But Seri, all you can really do is comfort her and try to make her possible last days as the best days of her life. After all, she might make it!
 
if there was no death, there would be no point in living. there would be no urge to do anything at all.

as for life after death? unlikely. death is final imo.
 
Suaside, you imply that everything you do in life is caused by the fear of death? I... I really can't understand your line of reasoning. Why would afterlife be unlikely anyway? Eighty-five percent of people believe in some kind of it, would you try to explain where they err?

And what's the point of living if death is final? Everything I did, every mark I made in people's lives, every challenge I coped with, every love, every tear, every smile, every hope, everything I came through that made me who I am is for naught? I will die, and I will be forgotten. People around me will die and eventually be forgotten. Nothing will remain in the end.
How can you live in such doomed world? If you truly believe death's the end, then, in a sense, you already are truly dead.

If you chose not to believe in something greater, in immortal essence of a human being, in afterlife, and if your world really makes sense as such, that's your call. I couldn't bear to live with no hope. (Moreover, that belief implies that everything around us arose from chance. How do you explain the genesis of life? Or intelligence? Or love? Are they all just... coincidences? Accidental rearrangement of molecules? Really. :? )

If you chose to believe in such, you will come to terms with death. It is not the end, it is nothing to be afraid of. (Else, as I said, there would be no point in life, even no point in bearing children: in a sense, you condemn them to death as soon as they are conceived. Talk about twisted perspective...) Death is as natural as birth is.

Serifan, you said that there's a possibility that your friend might die soon. I hope you will not lose her. But if she does, do not feel sorry for her. If we die forever, if we simply cease to exist, she will not care about anything anymore. No pain, no loss, no sorrow.
If we do go somewhere else, it could hardly be worse than here... :roll: "Heaven" and "hell" are just limited concepts we cannot comprehend with our senses or cognition. Take heart that there has to be some kind of afterlife, be it unity with the God, reincarnation, assimilation into cosmic spirit or who-knows-what.
 
Wex said:
Suaside, you imply that everything you do in life is caused by the fear of death? I... I really can't understand your line of reasoning.
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well, greatly, yes. since our time is limited, we feel the need for advancement (in all sorts of things). if you knew you would live forever, there would be no pressure whatsoever. no urge to perform, no urge to advance, no urge to be active and hence no urge to actually live really.

our actions are primarily fueled by the will to fulfil primary needs: food, shelter, and so on... if we were immortal, those very concepts would mean nothing to us.

Wex said:
Why would afterlife be unlikely anyway? Eighty-five percent of people believe in some kind of it, would you try to explain where they err?
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what exactly are their arguments? "god told me", "some guy says he heard god say so", "some guy wrote a book about what god told him", "i had a near death experience and i saw a blinding light at the end of the tunnel!", and so on and so forth. well, excuse me if i'm not quite convinced.

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And what's the point of living if death is final?
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what's the point in living if there is no real death?

i live mostly to have fun and help my family & friends, so that their lives can be fun too.

and because death isn't really appealing to tell you the truth, so i dont have much of a choice there.

Wex said:
Everything I did, every mark I made in people's lives, every challenge I coped with, every love, every tear, every smile, every hope, everything I came through that made me who I am is for naught?
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you enjoyed it, didn't you? then it wasn't really for naught from my point of view.

building a sandcastle seems futile to your convictions then, as it will surely be destroyed, be it by the waves or by the rain. it's all for naught, but it's fun and somewhat challenging.

Wex said:
I will die, and I will be forgotten. People around me will die and eventually be forgotten. Nothing will remain in the end.
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nuthin' but recycled molecules...

Wex said:
How can you live in such doomed world? If you truly believe death's the end, then, in a sense, you already are truly dead.
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dead & doomed? perhaps, but it seems i'm more alive than you are. while you live your life towards the afterlife, i live my life now unbound by any restrictive code of morals enforced on me by some belief. i only follow my own morals, not someone elses.

Wex said:
If you chose not to believe in something greater, in immortal essence of a human being, in afterlife, and if your world really makes sense as such, that's your call. I couldn't bear to live with no hope.
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no hope? i hope to be healthy, i hope to live a good life, i hope my friends lead a good life. what else do you need? some bonus incentive in the afterlife? "suicide now, kill as many people as possible and gain a bonus of 40 maidens! limited time offer! act now!"

Wex said:
(Moreover, that belief implies that everything around us arose from chance. How do you explain the genesis of life? Or intelligence? Or love? Are they all just... coincidences? Accidental rearrangement of molecules? Really. :? )
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a cosmic brainfart if you wish.

of course, i do not say i know how the galaxy was formed or how life came to be, but i doubt there was any god or conscious entity that orchestrated it.

Wex said:
If you chose to believe in such, you will come to terms with death. It is not the end, it is nothing to be afraid of. (Else, as I said, there would be no point in life, even no point in bearing children: in a sense, you condemn them to death as soon as they are conceived. Talk about twisted perspective...) Death is as natural as birth is.
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of course, but why should i be afraid of disappearing entirely once my life is over? why should i feel sorry for my children if they disappear likewise after a fulfilling life?

to me the concept of life after death you find in nearly all religions seems to be a simple tool to ingrain a certain moral standard. if you life by those standards, you get to eat desserts with golden spoons all day, or shag 40 virgins all night. if you fuck up & tell them to sod off, you will forever burn in eternal damnation! this applies to heaven & hell, as well to reincarnation & so on and so forth.

these things are merely a set of morals or ethics that are reinforced with a reward or a punishment. it also causes people to accept adverse conditions under the guise that everything will be ok, the afterlife will repay you for your suffering.

i've got this little theory that both the bible and koran were written by very smart philosophers who sought to imprint those morals (who are in fact a lot like laws) and give people hope. nothing less, nothing more.

you'll notice that only very few religions brake away from those stereotypes.

anyhow, is there a god? doubt it. does it matter in the end? not really... just live a good life by your own values & morals and try to help the people you can. if thats not good enough for any god out there, then tough luck for him. (if i go to hell for this, he sure is one pathetic little sack o' shit...)
 
Life after death? No.
An objective meaning of life? No.
God? No.
True love? No.
Free will? No.

Ass 'n titties, beer, tobacco, movies, creaming faces, music, cognac, whores? Yes. These 'little things in life' make up for the 'big questions', IMO. Despite somewhat dull answers to the Questions that some people answer with great imagination, there is still <strike>hope</strike> reality escaping activities. Evading reality is what I like and do best. It also feeds my very will to live.
 
Serifan said:
I just don't know what are all your thoughts on the afterlife.
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I know I'm ignoring everyone else's posts but Richard Matheson's What Dreams May Come is an incredible look at the afterlife and is well worth the read.
 
Wex said:
Suaside, you imply that everything you do in life is caused by the fear of death? I... I really can't understand your line of reasoning. Why would afterlife be unlikely anyway? Eighty-five percent of people believe in some kind of it, would you try to explain where they err?
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Argumentum ad populum. Hence a bullshit argument.
Wex said:
And what's the point of living if death is final? Everything I did, every mark I made in people's lives, every challenge I coped with, every love, every tear, every smile, every hope, everything I came through that made me who I am is for naught? I will die, and I will be forgotten. People around me will die and eventually be forgotten. Nothing will remain in the end.
How can you live in such doomed world? If you truly believe death's the end, then, in a sense, you already are truly dead.
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Argumentum ad Invidiam. Again bullshit.

Wex said:
If you chose not to believe in something greater, in immortal essence of a human being, in afterlife, and if your world really makes sense as such, that's your call. I couldn't bear to live with no hope. (Moreover, that belief implies that everything around us arose from chance. How do you explain the genesis of life? Or intelligence? Or love? Are they all just... coincidences? Accidental rearrangement of molecules? Really. :? )
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Straw man.
The non-existence of an afterlife does not imply the non-existence of a maker. Moreover, the logic itself is flawed in that for every part of human evolution there has been a plausible scientific explanation. The fact that you do not wish to accept that it has been explained is your problem.


Wex said:
If you chose to believe in such, you will come to terms with death. It is not the end, it is nothing to be afraid of.
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Bullshit. The only thing that can make you unafraid of death is not caring that you may lose your life. Most believing Christians do not have this in any way.
Wex said:
(Else, as I said, there would be no point in life, even no point in bearing children: in a sense, you condemn them to death as soon as they are conceived. Talk about twisted perspective...)
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Straw man. He never said that life was worthless. In fact, he claimed the opposite and said that you'd need to live your life to the fullest because there was no life after death.
Aside from that, you're not condemning your children to death by bearing them. You are giving them a life. The fact that death eventually awaits doesn't change that. In fact, believing that there's a life after death doesn't either, they'll still die.
Wex said:
Death is as natural as birth is.
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So?
 
I just found out they are giving her a 20% of coming out of the coma and a 10% chance if she does wake up she won't have permanent brain damage.

Her husband feel terrible because he broke a promise to her. she didn't want to go on life support if it came to that. he is giving her 3 weeks to come out of the coma if not he will turn the life support off.

I feel so bad for her she has had a rough life, Her ex-husband beat her up all the time in fact it got so bad he broke her back, this was what the operation was for to fix her spine because she still has problems walking.
 
I have a close friend who has been in a coma for a month. I know where you are coming from. Hope she gets better.

Life after death? Yeah. I'm not a big fan of details, though.
 
I don't fear death. I fear the pain that is involved in the dying but not the being dead part. To me it is like sleeping. When you're doing it you don't care, because you don't know you're doing it.

The idea of eternal life really scares me though. I think it would be fun for a while, but what happens if you get bored and there's no way out? Imagine it. Going on and on and on and on and there's no end to it. Scary...
 
it is said Immortality is the worst punishment a person could suffer. Yes you could say it is wicked and you would love to live forever but I am sure after 3000 years you will start to feel like you have had enough, or what happens if something kills everyone on the planet, you are going to be very lonely.
 
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