Life After Death
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Jarno Mikkola
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Well I will have my kids, and they have their kids... And if they have a part of my mind in them, am I truly dead, no. And like a plague, my mind will go forth, until the end of existence, with it will have a part of.Wex said:
John Uskglass
Venerable Relic of the Wastes
SnaX said:
Heaven's like having an impossibly powerful prostate, an incredibly durable penis and watching good lesbian porn all the time brother. It's constant self-satisfaction mixed with the occasional pleasent jet of warm liquid acros your face.
The absense of evidence *certainly* isn't evidence, though.Specialist said:
i dont really see the point of that comment. indeed, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, however how is that relevant?Specialist said:
am i supposed to take a leap of faith just because some guy wrote a book about there being a god in which he threathens me with heaven & hell? am i supposed to just forget rational thought and start following every word of a guy that wears a dress all day long?
if you're convinced, then good for you. i hope you find happyness in your beliefs.
science sure isnt perfect & it doesnt explain everything, but it sure beats flat out dogmas and fairy tales. i'll stick to my own thoughts, thank you velly much.
I think that there might be a state of being that comes after this one. I wouldn't necessarily call it Heaven and Hell, but...
Science has shown that the human body creates more energy than it uses. No one knows exactly where this extra energy goes.
Science also tells us that matter can be converted to energy, and vice versa, but matter/energy can not simply cease to exist.
Does this prove the existence of an afterlife? No.
Does it DISprove the existence of an afterlife? No.
It simply proves the point that if everything mankind knows were a single drop of water, then what we don't know is all of the other water on Earth in comparison. A scifi author/ scientist named Isaac Asimov once said:
All opinions aside, no one truly KNOWS what happens after you die. All I can say, Serifan, is that you need to follow your heart on this one. That's the only way to find out what is true for you. And knowing your own personal truth will help you be strong for your friend. You have my sympathies, my friend, and good luck in your search for your own personal truth.
Science has shown that the human body creates more energy than it uses. No one knows exactly where this extra energy goes.
Science also tells us that matter can be converted to energy, and vice versa, but matter/energy can not simply cease to exist.
Does this prove the existence of an afterlife? No.
Does it DISprove the existence of an afterlife? No.
It simply proves the point that if everything mankind knows were a single drop of water, then what we don't know is all of the other water on Earth in comparison. A scifi author/ scientist named Isaac Asimov once said:
All opinions aside, no one truly KNOWS what happens after you die. All I can say, Serifan, is that you need to follow your heart on this one. That's the only way to find out what is true for you. And knowing your own personal truth will help you be strong for your friend. You have my sympathies, my friend, and good luck in your search for your own personal truth.
What does that have to do with a God? Plenty with religion, but pretty much nothing pertaining to God.
Every second fucking idiot off the street seems to think that God = all the added extras like religion, afterlife, judgement, omniprescence, etc.
P.S. I'm not refering to you, this is just a genrtal rant
P.P.S
I was in a fight tonight any my right arm isnt workisn
dammn knucklees
I believe that when I die, I will be greeted by my ancestors in a hall, where every day will be a feast and we will all joy untill ragnarok.
That is, if I don't for some reason walk the road to Hel, in wich case, I will join Loki at ragnarok, fighting gods and men.
Or if I die bravely in battle, and Odin choose me to be an Einherjer, I will fight Loki and his dead army, unlikely though, since I have no wish for a greater glory like that.
After Ragnarok, well, I have no idea.
That is, if I don't for some reason walk the road to Hel, in wich case, I will join Loki at ragnarok, fighting gods and men.
Or if I die bravely in battle, and Odin choose me to be an Einherjer, I will fight Loki and his dead army, unlikely though, since I have no wish for a greater glory like that.
After Ragnarok, well, I have no idea.
Specialist said:
Every second fucking idiot off the street seems to think that God = all the added extras like religion, afterlife, judgement, omniprescence, etc.[/quote]
so you believe in 'a' god not affiliated with any common religion? could you give us your point of view on god then? is he omnipresent? all powerful? that kinda stuff.
and do please add why you believe in him, over any other explanation.
(not to make fun of you, mind you, but just to hear a fresh opinion. most people are boring comformists.)
i hope they're worse off than you areSpecialist said:
My belief is a little strange, at times I think it's a certainty that such a being would exist (I don't think it would be possible for multiple such beings), at other times it seems pretty sketchy.
During the times that there is belief, there's no worship, just an acknowledgement of existence. I don't discount the possibility of a big bang occuring either, for all I know this being may have started it.
As to powers... x-ray vision and superspeed.
Just kidding, This beings powers would be incomprehensible.
I mean, hell, such a being would be as likely to exist as the big bang spontaneously happening.
It really depends on what you want to hear.
If you like pixies and fairies and magical stuff that doesn't make sense but keeps you from the worries of free thought:
Yes, there is an afterlife. If you live your life by following an arbitrary set of moral standards, you'll go to heaven and/or be saved by Jesus/Moses/Tarzan/Some guy in a skirt, and all will be fine, because you will experience eternal happiness without ever having to worry about your mortal problems.
Alternatively, no, life is the mess we are put through before we get the final reward of omniscience and, ironically, non-existance, by becoming one with everything and/or ceasing to exist. If you screw up, you come back and have to endure it all over again, probably as a lesser lifeform.
If you want the sober version without the magic, which actually gives you the burden of responsibility:
No, there is no life after death. At least not in the sense any major religion came up with so far. When you die, your conciousness slowly fades away after an incredibly uplifiting dream your brain creates whenever it suffers from severe loss of oxygen (the so-called "near death experience", which can be reproduced through severe physical stress resulting in unconciousness through sudden loss of oxygen). After that, your conciousness has ceased to exist and your body, if not kept functional through artificial means, will begin to decompose only to eventually cease to exist as well.
In this case, there's really not much I can tell you to make death look like a particularily fun thing to look forward to, but considering the point of living beings is to live, rather than to die, that only makes sense.
The only good thing, however, is that if death is the end, that also means you KNOW that your existence is finite. I find that far more uplifting than the concept of some infinite duration of would could only become a torment in the long run.
Besides, don't think of how much your life sucks, or how little time you have left. Think of how lucky you are for the little time you have had.
Consider how unlikely it is that you ever came to existence, considering the gazillions of people who could theoretically have been there instead of you (just take into account the genetical possibilities, then consider your life as a whole and the events that essentially made you who you are, and without which you *would* be a different person -- even so, you could have died before birth, or your parents could never have met).
Your life is an incredible privilege, and you should be happy to have tht privilege. And if you know you are going to die soon, there's no point in looking at other people who get to live longer -- being disappointed or jealous that you don't get to live as long (or weren't born with the same privileges -- physical OR material) doesn't make you live longer or make you any happier, so it's a waste of time.
There's always someone who had a longer life, or had more sex, or more friends, or more action, or seen more of the world than you have.
Of course I'm not saying you shouldn't look beyond the rim of your plate or anything like that. The meaning of life is the pursuit of happiness, and that includes striving for something better.
But greed an jealousy won't get you happiness, that's all I'm saying.
And that's the meaning of life in a nutshell.
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EDIT: To the above poster... GTFO. The big bang wasn't unlikely. If it happened, it was bound to happen. Probability only comes into play when you analyse the possible consequences of something and don't know all the variables (of course we may never know all the variables, blame Heisenberg for that bit of knowledge).
Also, the notion of an incomprehensible god usually implies that you only think of that god as the explanation for something that you do not fully comprehend. That means your god only lives in the gaps of mankind's understanding of how the world works. And that living space is shrinking rapidly.
If you wish to think of any such supernatural (i.e. irrational) being, be it god, Satan, Santa, pixies, or the easter bunny, as the cause of the Big Bang, that's fine.
But please don't blame the state of the world as-is (x-ref: creationism / intelligent design) or the happenings in people's daily lives on him.
Trust me. If God was responsible for all the good and evil in the world, God would be one hell of a sadistic asshole.
Only one thing is sure: God is a woman and her name is Eris.
All Hail Discordia.
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EDIT: Oh, and if you decide rationality is too boring and DO want to go with the fairies and pixies, please DO pick a religion that is a bit interesting.
Nothing personal, but Islam, Judaism and Christianism just totally lack humour. Which is amazing, because Roman Catholicism would have the potential for quite some fun -- especially if you think about the actual accounts some of the stories describe. The whole "bring out your visitors so that we may know them" thing is just gold.
If you like pixies and fairies and magical stuff that doesn't make sense but keeps you from the worries of free thought:
Yes, there is an afterlife. If you live your life by following an arbitrary set of moral standards, you'll go to heaven and/or be saved by Jesus/Moses/Tarzan/Some guy in a skirt, and all will be fine, because you will experience eternal happiness without ever having to worry about your mortal problems.
Alternatively, no, life is the mess we are put through before we get the final reward of omniscience and, ironically, non-existance, by becoming one with everything and/or ceasing to exist. If you screw up, you come back and have to endure it all over again, probably as a lesser lifeform.
If you want the sober version without the magic, which actually gives you the burden of responsibility:
No, there is no life after death. At least not in the sense any major religion came up with so far. When you die, your conciousness slowly fades away after an incredibly uplifiting dream your brain creates whenever it suffers from severe loss of oxygen (the so-called "near death experience", which can be reproduced through severe physical stress resulting in unconciousness through sudden loss of oxygen). After that, your conciousness has ceased to exist and your body, if not kept functional through artificial means, will begin to decompose only to eventually cease to exist as well.
In this case, there's really not much I can tell you to make death look like a particularily fun thing to look forward to, but considering the point of living beings is to live, rather than to die, that only makes sense.
The only good thing, however, is that if death is the end, that also means you KNOW that your existence is finite. I find that far more uplifting than the concept of some infinite duration of would could only become a torment in the long run.
Besides, don't think of how much your life sucks, or how little time you have left. Think of how lucky you are for the little time you have had.
Consider how unlikely it is that you ever came to existence, considering the gazillions of people who could theoretically have been there instead of you (just take into account the genetical possibilities, then consider your life as a whole and the events that essentially made you who you are, and without which you *would* be a different person -- even so, you could have died before birth, or your parents could never have met).
Your life is an incredible privilege, and you should be happy to have tht privilege. And if you know you are going to die soon, there's no point in looking at other people who get to live longer -- being disappointed or jealous that you don't get to live as long (or weren't born with the same privileges -- physical OR material) doesn't make you live longer or make you any happier, so it's a waste of time.
There's always someone who had a longer life, or had more sex, or more friends, or more action, or seen more of the world than you have.
Of course I'm not saying you shouldn't look beyond the rim of your plate or anything like that. The meaning of life is the pursuit of happiness, and that includes striving for something better.
But greed an jealousy won't get you happiness, that's all I'm saying.
And that's the meaning of life in a nutshell.
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EDIT: To the above poster... GTFO. The big bang wasn't unlikely. If it happened, it was bound to happen. Probability only comes into play when you analyse the possible consequences of something and don't know all the variables (of course we may never know all the variables, blame Heisenberg for that bit of knowledge).
Also, the notion of an incomprehensible god usually implies that you only think of that god as the explanation for something that you do not fully comprehend. That means your god only lives in the gaps of mankind's understanding of how the world works. And that living space is shrinking rapidly.
If you wish to think of any such supernatural (i.e. irrational) being, be it god, Satan, Santa, pixies, or the easter bunny, as the cause of the Big Bang, that's fine.
But please don't blame the state of the world as-is (x-ref: creationism / intelligent design) or the happenings in people's daily lives on him.
Trust me. If God was responsible for all the good and evil in the world, God would be one hell of a sadistic asshole.
Only one thing is sure: God is a woman and her name is Eris.
All Hail Discordia.
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EDIT: Oh, and if you decide rationality is too boring and DO want to go with the fairies and pixies, please DO pick a religion that is a bit interesting.
Nothing personal, but Islam, Judaism and Christianism just totally lack humour. Which is amazing, because Roman Catholicism would have the potential for quite some fun -- especially if you think about the actual accounts some of the stories describe. The whole "bring out your visitors so that we may know them" thing is just gold.
I don't have time to think of dying. I just acquired a new fuck friend. When I do eventually lose my mortal coil from this world, I will die knowing all of the shaven pussy I have had.
P.S. The temple of Norelco/Philips provides all of the answers my freinds.
PPS PHILLIPS fo those insisting on adding 2 L 's
P.S. The temple of Norelco/Philips provides all of the answers my freinds.
PPS PHILLIPS fo those insisting on adding 2 L 's
I don't honestly believe in afterlife nor to any greater being or gods. Ofcourse you don't know for sure but that's my bet. A religious guy once said, that the ones that don't believe in god have to live all their lives in eternal torment, without comfort of knowing to live after death. That is total bullshit. Ofcourse you might want to do thing or two before you die at the moment of death and you are going to have horrible feeling of not seeing your loved ones again, but I don't really mind if nothing happens after death. Since there is nothing after death, it shouldn't bother your.
Yes, Serifan, there is a life after death, but get this: it looks exactly the same as this life! In every detail. That's right: when you die, time kinda sorta stands still, milions of years pass in a mere instant, stars explode, solar systems collapse, the universe gets filled to the brim with black matter (which scientists don't understand fully yet, but have some more patience because they eventually will) and the 'ever-expanding' universe finally comes to a halt and, what do you know, actually starts contracting at some point in time (billions of years from now of course, but you will not be aware of that). Then, at some distant point in time, we will get this thing called a Big Crunch, which will result in a singularity: the smallest configuration of the universe but with all the maps in there, all the data that the universe once consisted of, your left hand, the colour of your eyes, the early departure of your friend, the first words your daughter uttered, the taste of a kiss - it's all in there, it's all stored in that singularity, and when the singularity 'explodes', all those pieces of the big puzzle that is reality will find their place in space and time again: dinosaurs will rule the world once again, Rome will fall, Hitler will try to reshape the world and you and I and eeryone else will be born again, in the same time and the same space, and we will all do exactly the same thing, like puppets on a string, like putty. You will knock up your girlfriend again and get a beautiful daughter because of that, and your friend will once again fall into a coma, balancing between life and death, causing grief, demanding hope.
You don't believe me, eh? That's okay. You probably believe that the universe has no purpose: it created itself one day and now it's just going to expand almost endlessly, until all the stars burn up and everything is black and lifeless. Makes a lot of sense, eh?
You don't believe me, eh? That's okay. You probably believe that the universe has no purpose: it created itself one day and now it's just going to expand almost endlessly, until all the stars burn up and everything is black and lifeless. Makes a lot of sense, eh?
Life is the shadow of Death
I percieve death as a release of energy that will in turn become some other form of life, however abstract and in conceivable it is to the limited human mind. The universe is infinite. It is not there for no reason. Everything intertwines and becomes One.
Speak of me not as One
Speak of me not as None
Speak of me not at all
For I am continual
We, as a race are stubbornly shortsighted. Celebrate death.
I percieve death as a release of energy that will in turn become some other form of life, however abstract and in conceivable it is to the limited human mind. The universe is infinite. It is not there for no reason. Everything intertwines and becomes One.
Speak of me not as One
Speak of me not as None
Speak of me not at all
For I am continual
We, as a race are stubbornly shortsighted. Celebrate death.
From the infinite wisdom of Lazarus Long: "There is no conclusive evidence of life after death. But there is no evidence of any sort against it. Soon enough you will know. So why fret about it? " If I direct my thought toward anything but, it leads directly toward insanity.
Dracon M'Alkir
Vault Senior Citizen
Luke said:
You win a high-five from me.
