List of Problems with Fallout Online

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DarkUnderlord

Water Chip? Been There, Done That
Here is a list of all the Problems that I can think of for Fallout Online.

1: People Killers. You can't stop them, You could, but making players invincible if attacked by other players? Or being struck down by "the hand of God" if you attack another player?

2: Time. Travelling around wouldn't work. Taking days to travel between destinations wouldn't work. You would end up with different dates/times for different players. E.G 1am in the morning for me but 8am for you etc...

3: Talking out of combat. How do you talk another human out of combat? He'd just say yeah, I won't fight you. Then he'd turn around and fight you. how would this work? (This is one thing I LOVE about the game, you don't have to kill most things)

4: Quests. All the quests would degenerate into "Go kill the blah" or "get the blah from blah" etc... There would be no, kill the Unity, or get the plans and do whatever etc...

Think about. Think about what you LOVE about the Fallout games and ask yourself, How would that work Online in a game like Ultima Online???

Personally, the only online Fallout game that would work would be doing single player Fallout with up to 7 other people. Kind of like Diablo. Where you all group up and go finish the game. It's just you'd have better partners then your NPC's. E.G. When you encounter raiders or whatever, you'd all have power armour and plasma rifles, and you'd all have the human intellignece NOT to get so close and end up attacking your partners. Of course, the game would require being logged on for five days straight so that you could finish it. Okay, okay, so you can save and reload a multiplayer game, but gee, when is everyone available to play again??
 
Solutions

#1: Thats still a problem, and that doesn't stop many people from playing online.

#2: Have travel in complete realtime. I know its tedious, but for now that is the only way.

#3: Have huge penalties for dishonoring other players. You can also use speech in other area.

#4: That I don't have a solution for. All playes will be 'small potatoes' so to speak.
 
RE: Solutions

>#2: Have travel in complete realtime.
>I know its tedious, but
>for now that is the
>only way.

How do you compensate for the fact that most of Fallout was desert and it took literally days to get from one place to another? All movement would need to be realtime also, you can't just wander the desert in a different time system than everyone else.

>#3: Have huge penalties for dishonoring
>other players. You can also
>use speech in other area.

Like what? And doesn't that detract from the realism of the game? Doesn't it suck to just go around hunting Raiders? I might as well just wander the desert in Fallout 2 searching for things to kill.

>#4: That I don't have a
>solution for. All playes will
>be 'small potatoes' so to
>speak.

I think a lot of online players have the intelligence of "small potatoes."

-Xotor-

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RE: Solutions

#1

In Anarchy Online there will be "PK zones" meaning mind control drugs in the air that completely stop you from PKing. In cities and civilized areas, that is. In the wastes, everyone is completely free.
 
RE: Solutions

its a good idea...but xotors right...at this time it couldnt be done...yes i said at this time..i can stil remain quasi optomistic they could find solutions...i mean..theres always a chance...((by the same token though theres always a chance id die in my sleep but thats a different subject...so...))
 
RE: Solutions

GOOD!.

yes that is a cool solution, or you could have it so they can only ingage in combat if they both agree on it so a lev 12 doesnt go killing a poor lev 1 with like 20 life, or you could have it that in some areas like most cities, the pk would atack at his own risk to that npc cops around will beat the %$%$ out of him for going hostile, or possibly kill him, maybe have lots of cops going around everywhere, with tazers,, that could knock you out, not like the cattle prods in fallout2, that you just swing like a crobar, it should actually be an engergy weapon......

another thing about, the online fallout being more randomized, you could get a job as a cop, in a police station, i didnt find that possible in fallout but maybe it is, just not easy and is commen as you would think,, and a police, you as a police could atack a bad player, and as a cop you could get high tech free stuff like tazer, gatline gun etc to defend the world from pks, but if you kill someone that is not doing anything wrong you would get terrible rep and be hunted down by the police... i dunno, alot of ideas yes do seeem whaked, but i am trieng, not like xoter and roshambo who are totally not going to accept the idea of fallout online........ no offens, dont even post to this but.......BIGOTS!!!
 
RE: Solutions

>yes that is a cool solution,
>or you could have it
>so they can only ingage
>in combat if they both
>agree on it so a
>lev 12 doesnt go killing
>a poor lev 1 with
>like 20 life,

Oh that's great, then what's the point of having an online game? To kill raiders? You can do that in regular Fallout 2. Seriously, the only point to Online games is to kill other people. That's the big reason it attracts so many player.

>or you
>could have it that in
>some areas like most cities,
>the pk would atack at
>his own risk to that
>npc cops around will beat
>the %$%$ out of him
>for going hostile,

And if you've got power armor, 300 stimpacks, 500 life, the Sniper Perk, 10 Perception, and a Vindicator and 8000 rounds of caseless, what are those NPC "cops" going to do about it? And why would there be NPC cops in the first place? Since when has any town besides Vault City and NCR had cops, and when has anyone actually been threatened by those cops when you've got mondo abilities and armor?

>or possibly
>kill him, maybe
>have lots of cops going
>around everywhere, with tazers,, that
>could knock you out, not
>like the cattle prods in
>fallout2, that you just swing
>like a crobar, it should
>actually be an engergy weapon......

Oh yes, I'm sure all the cops have tazers and how about batons too? This is FALLOUT, not some crazy future world where somehow all cops have tazers on them.

>another thing about, the online fallout
>being more randomized, you could
>get a job as a
>cop, in a police station,

And do what? Fight crime? Those PKs will waste that place faster than anything.

>i didnt find that possible
>in fallout but maybe
>it is, just not easy
>and is commen as you
>would think,, and a police,
>you as a police could
>atack a bad player, and
>as a cop you could
>get high tech free stuff
>like tazer, gatline gun etc
>to defend the world from
>pks,

FALLOUT people, we're talking about "Fallout." You don't find organizations with every cop getting high tech weapons. What if the cop goes berzerk inside the office? And who will administer guns? What's to prevent a person from grabbing the guns and leaving?

>but if you kill
>someone that is not doing
>anything wrong you would get
>terrible rep and be hunted
>down by the police...

Do you think PKs care? PKs are eleven year-olds who spend their entire day building up their character. Then when they've got god-like stats they grab the best weapons and waste anyone in their path. If they were that easy to kill, there'd be no PKs.

>i
>dunno, alot of ideas yes
>do seeem whaked, but i
>am trieng, not like xoter
>and roshambo who are totally
>not going to accept the
>idea of fallout online........ no
>offens, dont even post to
>this but.......BIGOTS!!!

"Bigot" means you are descriminatory towards PEOPLE. People who call for FOOL are usually clinically dead above the neck, and simply think that FOOL will be like Fallout but with real people to talk to. Big news: It isn't. You don't get NPC personalities, you don't have pimps, prostitutes, hobos, or whatever. You get a bunch of players all wanting to be the Vault Dweller and killing anything they see. THINK.

-Xotor-


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RE: WtF?

dude, i said the ideas seemed whaked!
but heres another thing, you could have it like everquest, have a pk realm and a none pk realm, and all of the eleven year olds would go to the pk realm, and mature playrs like you and me that dont just want to go around and kill things, could play on the none pk realms... but then i see that in combat sometimes you miss and hit someone els, would missing and hitting another player be considered pk? or even be possible in a none pk realm.

No xoter i am not a bigot, i argue and see both sides of the argument where you are only going for the none fallout online, so by definition you are the bigot. hell heres another whaked idea so dont say anything aobut it!, you could have it so you dont even know the difference between an npc and a player, hell actually that seems like a good idea, sinse (posted by underlord) you could have carreers, you could have the carreers be the same as most of the npcs so you couldnt tell the difference between players and npcs.
 
yes xoter you did ban me

first of all, yes xoter you did ban me im now mous and not mouse, second of all you band me for a good reason, for talking about something that didnt have anything to do with fallout, even though i said at the end something about it you banned it anyway... if you band this you are just being punk, because it has just as much to do with what we are sapose to be posting on these forums as your last post.
 
You still don't get the hint?

>first of all, yes xoter you
>did ban me im now
>mous and not mouse,

So? That's supposed to make it 'okay' to post now? Please don't tell me you're THAT stupid as to actually believe that load of bullshit reasoning. Then again...

>second
>of all you band me
>for a good reason, for
>talking about something that didnt
>have anything to do with
>fallout, even though i said
>at the end something about
>it you banned it anyway...

Damn straight.

>if you band this you
>are just being punk,

No. It's called enforcing the first ban.
YOu get banned, you're gone. Get the picture?

Right now I'm going to recommend for Miroslav to ban you from the entire site if he wants to, because you've been that much of a...well, eloquence failing me for this brief moment...an idiot.



This redefines sucking ass...​
 
RE: You still don't get the hint?

>So? That's supposed to make
>it 'okay' to post now?
> Please don't tell me
>you're THAT stupid as to
>actually believe that load of
>bullshit reasoning. Then again...

To tell you the truth, that floored me. How could anyone have a mind so void of reason to think that a ban meant we simply don't want the person to use the same account? Furthermore that a simple removal of a letter from the name constituted a name change.

>
This redefines sucking ass...​

Or rather, redefines stupidity.

-Xotor-

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RE: You still don't get the hint?

...DAMN PEOPLE,DAMN PEOPLE,DAMN PEOPLE...ok sorry i had to say that...xotors correct....theyd ruin fool..i still wish it were possible ((please dont think im some unrepentant zealot who thinks it would work..im a realist whos willing to accept that if it could then it would be great but since it isnt....))
 
RE: You still don't get the hint?, dude!

DUDE! why ban me? because im the only one here with some fucking logic?, or maybe you think i make you look bad? xoter banned me for a post that made him kinda look bad, you are taking advantage of your powers, you are sapose to ban ppl for good reasons such as talking about something that has nothing to do with this forum wich i did ONCE to get to xoter, so he banned me, and i think the only reason you think im an idiot is because i cant spell,, big %$%$ deal, i know a scientist who has to ask someone how to spell seartain words,

ATLEAST I AM TRIENG TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE FALLOUT ONLINE WORK, ENSTEAD OF JUST BAGGING ON PPL WHO TRY, enstead of your worthless asses, who just ban ppl for there logic, i havent seen you post one idea of your own, you just make a war with ppl who do, or find some fault that they made, or some BS, and wtf is this war about? it doesnt even seem to be about fallout online with you anymore! :( and the only logical excuse you have made that you dont think fool will work, is pks. and WTF DO I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF AGAINS 2 OR MORE PPL? CANT YOU LET XOTER, OR WHOEVER ARGUE ON HIS OWN? fuck i feal superior just arguing an argument, and most of my arguments 1 on 3. and you have made no point whatsoever! go head ban me again, il just rename myselfe, and not let anyone know im mouse, and i bet you will deleat this because it is another post that makes you look bad, sure u can call me stuped, it does not prove a damn thing,,, try to put some fucking logic into your argument for god sake, mister know every god damn thing! and another thing what is the point of this argument, the ppl of fallout will make there game the way they damn well please, and you know why i have so many typose? is because my blood boils over so much on these goddamn forums, i could kill! i am the only one that puts logic into there argument,, if you flame me ever again,, try to stick to the subject, AND TRYYY TO MAKE A POINT WITH LOGIC!
 
RE: You still don't get the hint?

and yet again you have made no point, just " vocallly ejaculating" ok i made ONE MISTAKE so you banned me, i came back because i will try not to do it again, and if you ask me you should be banned you are not sticking to the goddamn subject anymore, nore do u put logic into your argument, and you dont even argue about fool anymore, the only excuse u have made, about it is pks,, big fucking whoop!

this redefines sucking ass

or redefines bigotry
 
RE: You still don't get the hint?

>...DAMN PEOPLE,DAMN PEOPLE,DAMN PEOPLE...ok sorry i
>had to say that...xotors correct....theyd
>ruin fool..i still wish it
>were possible ((please dont think
>im some unrepentant zealot who
>thinks it would work..im a
>realist whos willing to accept
>it would be great

yes i am a realist too, they are not realists, they are bigots,
>that if it could then

i think you said that to cover up that you are a unrepentant zealot who thinks it WONT WORK,, if it doesnt that%$ if it does that would be greate, but it seems that I am the only one trieng to find a way to make it work,,, and here i find myself fighting a 1 on 3 argument,, maybe this siuts me, i do not get enough exercise, and this is good to get my heart going, sens i get such an adrinaline rush in arnger,

but
>since it isnt....)) SEE? a realist would try to find a way, and state both sides of how something wouldnt work and try to find a solution
 
RE: You still don't get the hint?,, #3

and yet again you have made no point, just " vocallly ejaculating" ok i made ONE MISTAKE so you banned me, i came back because i will try not to do it again, and if you ask me you should be banned you are not sticking to the goddamn subject anymore, nore do u put logic into your argument, and you dont even argue about fool anymore, the only excuse u have made, about it is pks,, big fucking whoop!

this redefines sucking ass

or redefines bigotry
 
RE: You still don't get the hint?, dude!

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>DUDE! why ban me? because im
>the only one here with
>some fucking logic?,

So far all you've been is shouting bigot at everyone and going on about how Fallout Online will work. I'll show you some real logic, I hope it doesn't pass over your head.

>or maybe
>you think i make you
>look bad? xoter banned me
>for a post that made
>him kinda look bad,

No, you flamed him. And kept going on about a topic that DOES NOT HAVE TO DO WITH FALLOUT 3.

>you
>are taking advantage of your
>powers, you are sapose to
>ban ppl for good reasons
>such as talking about something
>that has nothing to do
>with this forum wich i
>did ONCE to get to
>xoter, so he banned me,

Well, no shit. And you're still talking about it.

>and i think the only
>reason you think im an
>idiot is because i cant
>spell,, big %$%$ deal, i
>know a scientist who has
>to ask someone how to
>spell seartain words,

Uh...no. You're an idiot because you can't seem to get certain concepts through your skull about why you were first banned.

>ATLEAST I AM TRIENG TO FIND
>A WAY TO MAKE FALLOUT
>ONLINE WORK, ENSTEAD OF JUST
>BAGGING ON PPL WHO TRY,

Yeah, like a save feature? That was just one of many faults of your so-called 'logic'. You've even admitted to not playing online games of the calibre that you speak of.

So in essence, you are crying because everyone refutes your naive and baseless points.

>enstead of your worthless asses,
>who just ban ppl for
>there logic, i havent seen
>you post one idea of
>your own, you just make
>a war with ppl who
>do, or find some fault
>that they made, or some
>BS, and wtf is this
>war about?

So what happened to "lets try to keep this a private"?

>it doesnt even
>seem to be about fallout
>online with you anymore! :(

And really... What does Fallout Online have to do with this board?

> and the only logical
>excuse you have made that
>you dont think fool will
>work, is pks. and WTF
>DO I HAVE TO DEFEND
>MYSELF AGAINS 2 OR MORE
>PPL? CANT YOU LET XOTER,
>OR WHOEVER ARGUE ON HIS
>OWN?

When you post, you put it up in public view. We've even posted MANY links, which you have conveniently ignored, that have a rehash of EVERYTHING. Like how would you put a turn-based combat system into a real-time roam? Exactly. It wouldn't be Fallout there anymore. And another topic that has been talked about (and how you've managed to miss the conversation of such) would be how the setting would be ruined by thousands of people being placed into the Fallout realm, all killing things, players or critters. It's not going to be a wasteland setting; it's going to be a hunting-spree in a barren and ravaged land. No semblence to Fallout whatsoever.

>fuck i feal superior
>just arguing an argument, and
>most of my arguments 1
>on 3. and you
>have made no point whatsoever!

Riiight. All you have been doing lately is sniveling how nobody likes your naive and unfounded ideas, and then call people bigots. You really need to learn the meaning of that word before you use it.

> go head ban me
>again, il just rename myselfe,
>and not let anyone know
>im mouse, and i
>bet you will deleat this
>because it is another post
>that makes you look bad,

Nope. I'm going to leave it up for a while.

And there's a problem with your plan. First off, I'm going to LART you, contacting your ISP about this matter of you bypassing a script ban. Then, you will be denied access to this entire site.

>sure u can call me
>stuped, it does not prove
>a damn thing,,, try to
>put some fucking logic into
>your argument for god sake,
>mister know every god damn
>thing!

No, you first. Learn what you are talking about before you talk about it. Have you played any mass-online games? Probably not. I've been playing them probably before you were a glimmer in your mother's eye. Islands of Kesmai, and I played for free. That was back in 84-85 time frame. That's one of the first really popular one I played. MUD2 is another. I've CREATED online games as well, being one of the top Perl consultants for MUD/MUCK/MUSH building. So yes, I do believe I have some experience on how it would or would not work, even in text-based. Turn-based combat like Fallout 1/2's would not even be possible in a MUD, realistically. There's still a possibility for others to come and surround the group. There is a command delay in most MUDs, but it's not like Fallout's system at all.

You've gone on about how if you didn't want to play multiplayer, then play single player, and then going into a bit about online play and then talking about SAVING? In online games, you don't actively save. In online games of the genre you are talking about, there isn't an option to play 'single-player'. Actually go out and do some research

>and another thing what is
>the point of this argument,
>the ppl of fallout will
>make there game the way
>they damn well please,
> and you know why
>i have so many typose?
>is because my blood boils
>over so much on these
>goddamn forums, i could kill!
> i am the only
>one that puts logic into
>there argument,, if you flame
>me ever again,, try to
>stick to the subject, AND
>TRYYY TO MAKE A POINT
>WITH LOGIC!

How about you use some logic for once, ok?

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Do you find ANY mention of PKs in these posts? Not much, by far. In fact, they have everything you speak about already answered and then a lot more things you haven't even brought up yet.
You will find that I logically refute posts, whereas you blather on with uneducated pipe-dreams and then whine when people counter with sound logic and years of experience, who also banned you because you did flame Xotor. You accuse them of being bigots when they show you examples, talk about how it would not work in the current system and concept, and much more. Actually learn what a bigot is before you call someone that. Also, you don't have a firm grasp what a 'realist' is either. A pessimist is someone that would say FOOL would not work, period, and leave it at that. An optimist would be like you, just going on how it could be made without taking into considerations of the game and keep going on about how it would work. A realist would look at both sides, analyze what might be the best outcome, and then formulate a stance upon that outcome. With my experiences in both graphical and non-graphical online games, and in the Fallout system, I could tell you that the two are not able to be merged without serious modifications to either system - unfortunately the online system would have to be kept because it would be online, however the Fallout system would have to be neutered severely.

Thank you for your baseless whining, now goodbye, again.
 
RE: You still don't get the hint?, dude!

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>AT 03:15 PM (GMT)
>
>
>>DUDE! why ban me? because im
>>the only one here with
>>some fucking logic?,
>
>So far all you've been is
>shouting bigot at everyone and
>going on about how Fallout
>Online will work. I'll
>show you some real logic,
>I hope it doesn't pass
>over your head.
>
>>or maybe
>>you think i make you
>>look bad? xoter banned me
>>for a post that made
>>him kinda look bad,
>
>No, you flamed him. And
>kept going on about a
>topic that DOES NOT HAVE
>TO DO WITH FALLOUT 3.
>
>by the way this is the lovable mouse...

>>you
>>are taking advantage of your
>>powers, you are sapose to
>>ban ppl for good reasons
>>such as talking about something
>>that has nothing to do
>>with this forum wich i
>>did ONCE to get to
>>xoter, so he banned me,
>
>Well, no shit. And you're
>still talking about it.
>
>>and i think the only
>>reason you think im an
>>idiot is because i cant
>>spell,, big %$%$ deal, i
>>know a scientist who has
>>to ask someone how to
>>spell seartain words,
>
>Uh...no. You're an idiot because
>you can't seem to get
>certain concepts through your skull
>about why you were first
>banned.

uuhh what are you talking about, i said exactly why i was banned, because i said something that had nothing to do with fallout3
>
>>ATLEAST I AM TRIENG TO FIND
>>A WAY TO MAKE FALLOUT
>>ONLINE WORK, ENSTEAD OF JUST
>>BAGGING ON PPL WHO TRY,
>
>Yeah, like a save feature?
>That was just one of
>many faults of your so-called
>'logic'. You've even admitted
>to not playing online games
>of the calibre that you
>speak of.
>
>So in essence, you are crying
>because everyone refutes your naive
>and baseless points.

>
>>enstead of your worthless asses,
>>who just ban ppl for
>>there logic, i havent seen
>>you post one idea of
>>your own, you just make
>>a war with ppl who
>>do, or find some fault
>>that they made, or some
>>BS, and wtf is this
>>war about?
>
>So what happened to "lets try
>to keep this a private"?

that was afterwards, and you didnt reply either,
>
>
>>it doesnt even
>>seem to be about fallout
>>online with you anymore! :(
>
>And really... What does Fallout
>Online have to do with
>this board?

ideas i thaught, ideas for fallout 3, you were the one that made a argument about it and not just changing the idea
>
>> and the only logical
>>excuse you have made that
>>you dont think fool will
>>work, is pks. and WTF
>>DO I HAVE TO DEFEND
>>MYSELF AGAINS 2 OR MORE
>>PPL? CANT YOU LET XOTER,
>>OR WHOEVER ARGUE ON HIS
>>OWN?
>
>When you post, you put it
>up in public view.
>We've even posted MANY links,
>which you have conveniently ignored,
>that have a rehash of
>EVERYTHING. Like how would
>you put a turn-based combat
>system into a real-time roam?
> Exactly. It wouldn't
>be Fallout there anymore.
>And another topic that has
>been talked about (and how
>you've managed to miss the
>conversation of such) would be
>how the setting would be
>ruined by thousands of people
>being placed into the Fallout
>realm, all killing things, players
>or critters. It's not
>going to be a wasteland
>setting; it's going to be
>a hunting-spree in a barren
>and ravaged land. No
>semblence to Fallout whatsoever.

dude i allready tried to explain some ways to avoid just pking, and that is the fith time youv complained about that, making only 2 faults with fallout online,,,,, OK WHAT AM I MISSING?
this is your chance to actually say the (actuall) REASON (WHY) FALLOUT ONLINW WONT WORK, and tell me, i am serious i really mist something, why can fallout tactics have multiplayer capabilaty and not fallout3?, what is so different about it mister know everything?, you answere this and i will stfu about fallout online explain to me what fallout tactics has that fallout 3 doesnt? try to explain with out being an asshole, you know? a mature conversation. please for the sake of god, i need to know, why?
>
>>fuck i feal superior
>>just arguing an argument, and
>>most of my arguments 1
>>on 3. and you
>>have made no point whatsoever!
>
>Riiight. All you have been
>doing lately is sniveling how
>nobody likes your naive and
>unfounded ideas, and then call
>people bigots. You really
>need to learn the meaning
>of that word before you
>use it.
>
i do know what it means, it is exctly what you are, and a stubborn, arogent. narow mindead pearsion, who is to strong in his own opinions, it is unbelieveable!
or did you want the exact dictionary definition?. anyways it is what you are

>> go head ban me
>>again, il just rename myselfe,
>>and not let anyone know
>>im mouse, and i
>>bet you will deleat this
>>because it is another post
>>that makes you look bad,
>
>Nope. I'm going to leave
>it up for a while.
>
>
>And there's a problem with your
>plan. First off, I'm
>going to LART you, contacting
>your ISP about this matter
>of you bypassing a script
>ban. Then, you will
>be denied access to this
>entire site.

ssuuuuree i will, heh,, u know that is relly mean! i really needed to know why fallout 3 online would not work and you never ever gave a strait answere, i would be stuck, not being able to ask you,, man that is so fucking mean, i could be stuck untel fallout3 came out to see why fallut tactics could have multiplayer and not fallout 3? may god have mercy on ure soul
>
>>sure u can call me
>>stuped, it does not prove
>>a damn thing,,, try to
>>put some fucking logic into
>>your argument for god sake,
>>mister know every god damn
>>thing!
>
>No, you first. Learn what
>you are talking about before
>you talk about it.
>Have you played any mass-online
>games? Probably not.
>I've been playing them probably
>before you were a glimmer
>in your mother's eye.
>Islands of Kesmai, and I
>played for free. That
>was back in 84-85 time
>frame. That's one of
>the first really popular one
>I played. MUD2 is
>another. I've CREATED online
>games as well, being one
>of the top Perl consultants
>for MUD/MUCK/MUSH building. So
>yes, I do believe I
>have some experience on how
>it would or would not
>work, even in text-based.
>Turn-based combat like Fallout 1/2's
>would not even be possible
>in a MUD, realistically.
>There's still a possibility for
>others to come and surround
>the group. There is
>a command delay in most
>MUDs, but it's not like
>Fallout's system at all.
>
>You've gone on about how if
>you didn't want to play
>multiplayer, then play single player,
>and then going into a
>bit about online play and
>then talking about SAVING?
>In online games, you don't
>actively save. In online
>games of the genre you
>are talking about, there isn't
>an option to play 'single-player'.
> Actually go out and
>do some research
>
>>and another thing what is
>>the point of this argument,
>>the ppl of fallout will
>>make there game the way
>>they damn well please,
>> and you know why
>>i have so many typose?
>>is because my blood boils
>>over so much on these
>>goddamn forums, i could kill!
>> i am the only
>>one that puts logic into
>>there argument,, if you flame
>>me ever again,, try to
>>stick to the subject, AND
>>TRYYY TO MAKE A POINT
>>WITH LOGIC!
>
>How about you use some logic
>for once, ok?
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/index.cgi?az=show_thread&om=635&forum=ForumID5&omm=16
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/index.cgi?az=show_thread&om=635&forum=ForumID5&omm=25
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/index.cgi?az=show_thread&omm=0&om=636&forum=ForumID5
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/index.cgi?az=show_thread&om=643&forum=ForumID5&omm=2
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID2/124.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID2/118.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID2/122.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID2/128.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID2/133.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID2/137.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID2/144.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID2/169.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID2/485.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID5/161.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID5/339.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID5/378.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID5/400.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID5/376.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID5/405.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID5/472.shtml
>
>http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/ForumID5/583.shtml
>
>
>
>Do you find ANY mention of
>PKs in these posts?
>Not much, by far.
>In fact, they have everything
>you speak about already answered
>and then a lot more
>things you haven't even brought
>up yet.
>You will find that I logically
>refute posts, whereas you blather
>on with uneducated pipe-dreams and
>then whine when people counter
>with sound logic and years
>of experience, who also banned
>you because you did flame
>Xotor. You accuse them
>of being bigots when they
>show you examples, talk about
>how it would not work
>in the current system and
>concept, and much more.
>Actually learn what a bigot
>is before you call someone
>that. Also, you don't
>have a firm grasp what
>a 'realist' is either.
>A pessimist is someone that
>would say FOOL would not
>work, period, and leave it
>at that. An optimist
>would be like you, just
>going on how it could
>be made without taking into
>considerations of the game and
>keep going on about how
>it would work. A
>realist would look at both
>sides, analyze what might be
>the best outcome, and then
>formulate a stance upon that
>outcome. With my experiences
>in both graphical and non-graphical
>online games, and in the
>Fallout system, I could tell
>you that the two are
>not able to be merged
>without serious modifications to either
>system - unfortunately the online
>system would have to be
>kept because it would be
>online, however the Fallout system
>would have to be neutered
>severely.
>
>Thank you for your baseless whining,
>now goodbye, again.

blah balh balh blah blah, please tell me ? and i will stfu up about it, wy fo3 online, will work where tactics will, explain? :)
 
RE: You still don't get the hint?, dude!

>blah balh balh blah blah,
>please tell me ? and
>i will stfu up about
>it, wy fo3 online, will
>work where tactics will, explain?
>:)

Geez, you're such a moron! Did you even bother to click on any of the links Roshambo provided? They go into lenghty detail on why FOOL wouldn't work. Please read those messages and come back then. No wait... Read those messages and DON'T come back at all.

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