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Ethan Taranto-Kent, known as InTheOnlineAsbestosSuit to NMA regulars, has just uploaded, for our viewing pleasure, the first part of Mad Nation to YouTube:

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More to come soon, in the meantime, check out his thread about Mad Nation on our forums.

Link: Mad Nation Part 1 on UTb
 
UnidentifiedFlyingTard said:
I like the cinematography, pretty good for what you where working with.

Thanks, surprisingly, it worked out pretty alright for Digital8. To be fair, everything is very heavily post-produced: the image is heavily color corrected and adjusted using Apple's Color, and the sound alone took about three weeks straight, five days a week, to get even presentable. But that's what I get for choosing to shoot on obsolete technology.

That being said, since we finished this one, we've shot the first of several short followups. And that was shot on a Panasonic HVX in true 16:9, so it looks spectacular by comparison.
 
The the black/sky image was awesome

But the beard and hair looked too clean and "unpostapocalyptic" haha. The glasses should be more worn out.

And to capture the feeling of his agony, maybe some "dizzy" effects would help.
 
dirtbag said:
The the black/sky image was awesome

But the beard and hair looked too clean and "unpostapocalyptic" haha. The glasses should be more worn out.

And to capture the feeling of his agony, maybe some "dizzy" effects would help.

Agreed. He does look a bit too clean, although I just watched it here in that little embedded video, so perhaps little details will show up in a larger format. But, there are some pretty good cinematic aspects here, as well as a great looking location to shoot. :)
 
dirtbag said:
But the beard and hair looked too clean and "unpostapocalyptic" haha. The glasses should be more worn out.

And to capture the feeling of his agony, maybe some "dizzy" effects would help.

On your first point, yeah I totally agree: early on in the original Mad Nation thread, when I first posted screenshots from the early shoots, people pointed this out too. I started dirtying the costume up little by little throughout the movie: by the end, it looks a lot better, particularly the pants.

As for the second, with this scene I tried to take it from a more I guess you could say hyper-realistic, observer looking in perspective. However, there's a sequence a bit later in the movie that has a little more of the kind of thing you suggest.
 
firstly, id have to admit that this doesnt impress me so far. That being said, I'll give you credit for making post-apoc projects like this.

I think it dragged on too far with the credits in the beginning, no offence, but waiting litterally almost a minute, hearing bombsirens isnt interesting, and I think the viewer gets his patience tried.

As you said, this shot was shot at old technology, so I won't comment on sound, lighting etc yet.

Still, I'm looking forward to see what else is up your sleve, so keep em coming :)
 
Nice cinematography, as others pointed out and also the location.

As for being experienced in music and sound editing, I will honestly tell you the sound pretty much sucks. Especially the voice over part...which was kinda random and "out of place" with its low quality.
I can understand the low budget, but I can tell you that even with a simple Cool Edit or Audacity program, you can make magic.
But, we all learn from our experience and failures :)

There is no background sound effects, just this humming sound- which would fit more into a cave location, not an open field. Sound effects for the background are very important, especially for the post-apo setting, on the open-field (like some short wind blowing for some time to time, whenever the scene allows it). In this case actually better recorded sound would be alright, in STEREO! What's the problem to buy a microphone (preferably condenser type), and record the sound separately during the scene, using some cheap audio recorder with the mic attached to the hockey stick ala Kevin Smith style? :P

Damn, I wish I could help you with all that, and even compose some soundtracks, but ATM I don't have my equipment with me, as because I moved to London recently.
But next year I might be ready to work as a musician/composer again...can't wait.

Edit:
The part at the end when the guy falls, it looks silly 9the way he falls).
 
korric said:
I think it dragged on too far with the credits in the beginning, no offence, but waiting litterally almost a minute, hearing bombsirens isnt interesting, and I think the viewer gets his patience tried.

Good point, and if this was made specifically for youtube, I'd agree with you. However, keep in mind that the almost a minute long opening credits are the opening of a movie that's 47 minutes long. The only reason I'm uploading to youtube in chunks like this is that nothing more than 5 minutes long gets any views on youtube.

Public said:
Nice cinematography, as others pointed out and also the location.

...the sound pretty much sucks. Especially the voice over part...which was kinda random and "out of place" with its low quality.
I can understand the low budget, but I can tell you that even with a simple Cool Edit or Audacity program, you can make magic...

There is no background sound effects, just this humming sound- which would fit more into a cave location, not an open field...

:PEdit:
The part at the end when the guy falls, it looks silly 9the way he falls).

The locations and visuals in this movie are it's real strengths, I feel. I had to go out of my way to make them look as good as possible, given that I knew the sound was going to suck either way since we were using the inboard microphone on a shitty camera.

What you hear in this movie is actually the product of two straight weeks of sound editing. You think it sucks now? Yeah, I admit it's pretty bad. But you should have heard it before I started spending countless hours using Soundtrack Pro and Audacity to clean it up. As for background acoustics, I deliberately wanted the opening to have nearly no background sounds. There's plenty of ambient noise later in the movie. Finally, the humming: I can't explain why it's doing that, really: the DVD version has a very low, barely audible camera hum that's impossible to completely remove without making the rest of the audio sound like it's under water, I guess the youtube upload must have made it more audible.

The voice-over narration was recorded in the same locations as the scenes took place, with a Tascam P2 portable digital audio recorder and a shotgun microphone, both borrowed from my school. We used the same equipment to record a lot of ambient noise that was used later on in the movie. We would have used this equipment to record -all- audio, but unfortunately, we didn't have access to it until the last year or so of the production, and I wasn't about to go back and re-shoot the whole damn movie by that point.*

As for the fall, well, that's just how I fell at the time I guess. I admit it looks a bit funny.

*EDIT: For the record, I absolutely -hate- using in-camera audio, even when we have a separate microphone on a boom pole running into the camera. I love shooting double system, meaning recording the video/film with a camera and recording audio with a completely separate machine (I prefer the Tascam over most things for this purpose) and microphone set up. This gives you both the best quality audio and the widest range of what you can do in editing.

That being said, I rarely get to shoot double system. Usually equipment is hard to come by, and people to operate it are just as difficult to find. These days, I'm lucky if I can find a camera and a camera operator other than myself. However, I'm moving to Los Angeles in January, and have two friends with HD cameras out there, so I'm thinking about buying my own Tascam (with all the mics and gear, it's about $1,500), assuming that my friends are cool enough/have enough time to make movies in the time frame and frequency I like to. I've been shooting a movie every month for the past three months or so, and I want to keep up that trend, although the living expenses and work responsibilities of LA might put a dent in that.
 
I uploaded one of my movies in two 9 minute parts, so little views, lesson learned, people have small attention spans, uploading 5 minute chunks is a good idea.

also, this makes me want to stop being lazy and make a new short.
 
Yeah, my buddy Kevin (who's videos can be seen at http://www.hollywoodeasttv.com/profile/NewKidsOnTheRock and www.youtube.com/foomman), was the first of us to figure out the whole formula for internet videos. I guess statistically speaking 5 minutes is the cut off point between quick enough for viewing indiscriminately whenever you're online, and being too long not to have to make a commitment to finish the thing in one go.

And you totally should make another short. As I see it, the more student/amature film makers there are out there, the better.

Speaking of which, we started the next one yesterday:

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TJ, my buddy with the Thompson sub-machine gun on the right, suggested we find a good looking girl, dress her in bloody rags, and have her pose on the hood of the car, ala 50's pin up girls on classic cars.

EDIT: figure I should clarify, this is not on location, this was before we went out to start the shoot.
 
InTheOnlineAsbestosSuit said:
TJ, my buddy with the Thompson sub-machine gun on the right, suggested we find a good looking girl, dress her in bloody rags, and have her pose on the hood of the car, ala 50's pin up girls on classic cars.

Yeah.

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(Ok, it's not 50's but still cool.)
 
I don't care what the others said: I've been following you for some time now and I like what we are being presented here: a movie made by a beginning filmmaker who is still learning the trade and who is not afraid to make mistakes. The mere fact that you actually finished this project is already impressive, the fact that you reported about it to us on a regular basis is just fucking nice.

I like this first part of the movie. The sirens during the title sequence is perfect, I don't think it's annoying at all.
First scene is slow, acting is sufficiently good to pull it off, creative angles and lighting effects, yeah, it's good. For what it always was meant to be, this is actually very good.

Points of criticism: the gunshots need to be louder and grittier (if that makes any sense). A sparsely used blurring effect could help to communicate the feeling of fatigue and pain and drowsiness the protagonist is suffering from (but you could so easily overdo that, I'd leave it out).

I like how you shot this on obsolete material. As we speak I am making 13 illustrations with goddamn ancient zipatone sheets. I only have 13 sheets left and I can only get new ones if I order at least 250 new sheets directly from the factory (which I can't do because that would ruin me financially). Obsolete stuff is fucking cool. It makes you think twice before doing something. And the limitations of the material actually feed creativity I dare say.

Great stuff, Taranto-Kent! I'll be clicking the link to the second part in 5... 4... 3... 2... seconds.
 
UnidentifiedFlyingTard said:
you should invest in an HD Camera, I did, and never looked back.

Yeah, I'm going to be getting a Panasonic HVX when I have the cash. For now, I've ditched the camera Mad Nation was shot on, and I'm shooting on a friend's Cannon XL1, which I personally don't like much but it's all that's available to me.

I really like the Sony camera they shot Public Enemies on, but it's ridiculously expensive :/

alec said:
I don't care what the others said: I've been following you for some time now and I like what we are being presented here: a movie made by a beginning filmmaker who is still learning the trade and who is not afraid to make mistakes.

...

Points of criticism: the gunshots need to be louder and grittier (if that makes any sense). A sparsely used blurring effect could help to communicate the feeling of fatigue and pain and drowsiness the protagonist is suffering from (but you could so easily overdo that, I'd leave it out).

I really do appreciate your liking the movie so much: as cliché as it sounds, the people who feel the way you do are why I keep doing this. And it makes me happy to know there's still some people on here that've been following the movie since day one. As far as the gunshots are concerned, there's a few parts in the movie where I deliberately make the gunshots very loud and realistic in that sense, but I didn't want to over do it because I didn't want the audiences' ears bleeding by the end of the movie. I might louden up these ones in part one though, just since they're the first of the movie.
 
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