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[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-00 AT 02:47PM (GMT)[p] I have an idea for the monkeys at Black Isle and Interplay. Make the game work in the first release. I mean, why on earth do they release a bug ridden, hole filled version of the game, then release a patch that is several megabytes in size that fixes all kinds of critical errors and that isn't compatible with already saved games from the unpatched game? Wouldn't it make more sense to make the first issue work? Games like IceWind Dale (which sucked) were much bigger than FO games, but they had all the bugs worked out when they released it. Nothing pisses anyone off more than losing their save game because Interplay released a bad game that needs a large, uncompatable patch to fix.

Just a thought.

~TheGate
 
Your bitching is a little late.

What's so bad about a few megs? Maybe I'm the only one around here with Cable\DSL but still, even with a 14.4 and.... geez. And Icewind Dale sucked? Do you have a prototype iMac or what? For the love of Geezmou.
 
>Your bitching is a little late.

>What's so bad about a few
>megs?

Some people appear to enjoy buying a defective product and waiting a few weeks to download a patch. Suppose you decide to play that FO2 CD of yours twenty years from now... that patch might not be available.

Frankly, if people don't complain, nothing will ever improve... if everyone was like you, why bother having beta testers before release?
 
I have to agree with Merlin Jones. I still think it's funny that certain people at Interplay(*cough*Chris Taylor*cough*) still like to claim that Interplay/BIS didn't realise how buggy Fallout 2 was when they released it. How could anyone in QA *not* hit that disappearing trunk bug?

I also think it's odd that Fallout 2 was released several months too early and Baldur's Gate was released right on time. If Baldur's Gate and Fallout 2 had hit the shelves the same day and had that several months of additional testing and fixing, I really don't think it'd be the mess it was when it was released.
 
<< Suppose you decide to play that FO2 CD of yours twenty years from now... that patch might not be available. >>

Do you think you'd even be able to run it? It's a pain to run old DOS games with current computers. I think you'd run into a bunch of problems trying to run Fallout in 10 years.

Skie
 
<< I also think it's odd that Fallout 2 was released several months too early and Baldur's Gate was released right on time. If Baldur's Gate and Fallout 2 had hit the shelves the same day and had that several months of additional testing and fixing, I really don't think it'd be the mess it was when it was released. >>

Why do you find it odd? They wanted to release Fallout 2 before BG. They were probably worried BG would steal many of their sales if they released on top of each other.

My complaint wasn't about the need for the patch...it's that there were still problems even after the patch. I know in my game Cassidy could walk through walls and enemies and well, anything. There were alot of times you could only see the lower half of his body too. It was...erhm...interesting...

Skie
 
>>Do you think you'd even be able to run it? It's a pain to run old DOS games with current computers. I think you'd run into a bunch of problems trying to run Fallout in 10 years.<<

If I were to use Doyle's words, that sounds rather "ignorant"... After all, aren't you familiar with the concepts of (1) emulation and (2) abandonware? Indeed, in 10 years time I'll be playing F2 using WINE and a Linux or QNX box....

I have no wish to buy a defective product which contravenes the sale of goods act and the uniform commercial code. Why should I have to incur additional time and expense searching for an obscure download patch? If I were to insist on my strict legal rights, I'd return the CD and INSIST on a properly functioning replacement .... you'll notice that M$ has a large disclaimer for this situation -- for good reason!

Which is why I always wait 6 months before buying a game (I'm waiting for a 3rd generation patch).... and, if bugs are _still_ a problem, I refuse to buy.
 
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Oct-20-00 AT 02:27PM (GMT)[p][font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Oct-20-00 AT 02:25 PM (GMT)

<<Your bitching is a little late.>>
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Nice slang 8-ball. Next time, lets see if you can make an intellegent comment. And the "bitching" isn't late, in fact it can't be too late as not everyone knows they need a patch to play the almost three year old game with no flaws. And they didn't even re-release the bug free game. Can you rememver, if you own a psx, Resident Evil.? There was Resident Evil; then they released RE: Directors cut, with more gore, puzzles, different endings and outfits, and FIXED GLITCHES.
Who cares if you have a DSL/Cable modem? It's irrelevant to the topic, and most people dont need one, or they don't have mommy and daddy to pay for it. It's annoying as hell having to need to download a patch to fix a buggy game I paid good money for. I, like most consumers with half a brain, enjoy products I buy to function. If people like you with your cable modems never noticed imperfections like this, people would be getting screwed over all the time.

~TheGate
 
Exactlly. It would seem that BIS and INterplay didn't even have decent beta testers. I mean, it's obvious they didn't, what with itmes that "fallout" (no pun intended) of my inventory, how can consumers not be irritated?

~TheGate
 
Right, that's exactly why Fallout 2 was rushed out the door before it was done. They didn't want the two games to compete with each other.

Of course, Fallout 2 couldn't compete with much because of all the bugs in it. Most games that are shoved on to the market too early get fairly bad reviews due to the bugs. Word of mouth doesn't help sales either.

Yeah, I'm still fairly pissed about Interplay's unwillingness to finish the job on Fallout 2.
 
Geez, I get your point but why make all the personal attacks? Do you have something against magic 8-Balls or people with high speed connections? And why is modem speed irrelevant? Having a .0001 baud modem has a tendency to deter the simple folks from downloading patches.

I agree with you that they don't release sado-masochistic games because most masochists pay women to dress up in leather and whip them, not Fry's to give them screwy games. However, I overlooked it and attempted to state that I did safely because I'm a Fallout fan, which I think most of you are, and Fallout games aren't just normal games... they're FALLOUT games. Shouldn't we all, being Fallout-fan enough to post here, also have the MO to overlook the bug for a couple weeks?

We shouldn't attack each other.

We're better than that.

We're Fallout fans.

We should play Fallout.

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG AND PLAY FALLOUT?
 
>> And why is modem speed irrelevant? Having a .0001 baud modem has a tendency to deter the simple folks from downloading patches.>>

The fact is that sane people don't want to buy a defective game, and that half-smart individuals don't want to pay for the privilege of post release beta testing so that a patch can be dreamed up?
 
<< If I were to use Doyle's words, that sounds rather "ignorant"... After all, aren't you familiar with the concepts of (1) emulation and (2) abandonware? Indeed, in 10 years time I'll be playing F2 using WINE and a Linux or QNX box.... >>

Actually, it was a guess formulated by history. I am familiar with abondonware and emulation. I dunno about you, but I am unable to play Wasteland on my PII 300 no matter what I tried.

Just curious, what makes you think Linux will be around in 20 years?

I have no wish to buy a defective product which contravenes the sale of goods act and the uniform commercial code. Why should I have to incur additional time and expense searching for an obscure download patch? If I were to insist on my strict legal rights, I'd return the CD and INSIST on a properly functioning replacement .... you'll notice that M$ has a large disclaimer for this situation -- for good reason!

I hate to say this, but you don't have to buy it. And, if you have problems with the game, return it.

<< Which is why I always wait 6 months before buying a game (I'm waiting for a 3rd generation patch).... and, if bugs are _still_ a problem, I refuse to buy. >>

But you did end up buying Fallout 2, right? It was still buggy even after the patch(es). Did you end up returning it, and insisting they give you a bug free version?

Skie
 
The glory of emulation. hehe :) I've had less problems using emulators, than I have trying to run DOS games.

Skie
 
And, full-smart people wait until the games been patched before buying it. They also tend to look at reviews before buying, and do all sorts of other smart things.

Skie
 
>> I dunno about you, but I am unable to play Wasteland on my PII 300 no matter what I tried.<<

Maybe you should download a free copy of FreeDos and Moslow onto a floppy and use that to boot up the game? Maybe you mistake your lack of knowledge for lack of ability... it makes little difference. Why not create your own version of Wasteland?

>>Just curious, what makes you think Linux will be around in 20 years? <<

Where is most of the new money and talent in the industry shifting towards? It's geared at developing a user friendly Linux and embedded *NX based desktop.

Moreover, open source projects (once they reach critical mass) tend to maintain themselves... I imagine that if FO was released under an OSI license, F2 would have been a better game (due to the competition) and F3 would probably be a readily extensible, fan based production, with IP probably providing its own F3 based expansion using the code.

>>I hate to say this, but you don't have to buy it. And, if you have problems with the game, return it.<<

To who? How will I recover the cost of my lost time, postage etc? What if I'm not based in the US at the time?

In any event, it is likely that many people put off the purchase because the CD was defective... reviews promising that "a patch is on the way?"... That's not enough.

>>But you did end up buying Fallout 2, right? It was still buggy even after the patch(es). Did you end up returning it, and insisting they give you a bug free version? <<

Still, I suppose that misguided people such as yourself paid top dollar at the release date, suffered the bugs and inconvinience of a poorly completed game, faithfully reported these bugs on the IP board, and felt very important... Thank you, because I managed to purchase F2 at a bargain price with BG, and a patch was available for a (comparatively) trouble free, enjoyable game.
 
Your characters can STILL walk through doors (at least on my game) but only from certain sides. They had to open the doors to get out... except with brotherhood doors, they walked right back out of them. That's how I got into Mordino's room to kill him after finishing most of his jobs... I never figured out how to get the enclave-trade-bodyguard one.
 
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