Man dies six days after assault
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Oh do shut up. While I do feel that the "nerf everything" attitude of parents in the last decade and a half hasn't helped matters (more on that), being "manly" certainly isn't an issue. Kyuu said everything else I wanted to say.
While youth crime overall has gone down, it seems that the nature of the crimes have become more horrifying. What I think has happened is that alot of youth don't have a concept of empathy anymore. Children are often raised now to think they are special. That they are highly entitled, that nothing bad should ever happen to them, and are never exposed to anything that can hurt them. As such they grow up with three major flaws: They are highly self-centered, have little concept of pain or human suffering (thus no empathy), and beleive that what suits them is more important than anything else (self entitlement, brought about by ego stroking self esteem boosting policies).
I'm different. I grew up with parents who let me take my knocks, and who let me do stupid stuff. And when I did something stupid, they took me aside and told me exactly why what I did was stupid then sent me to my room and let my suffer for it.
I learned that my actions have consequences, that other people matter, and that other people are like me. I learned respect and empathy.
Empathy is the key to humanity. The knowledge that other people feel, and that our actions cause harm. That they hurt like we do. Empathy is what creates guilt, what prevents us from just taking advantage of everyone around us.
I'm not just talking out of my ass here. I am a teenager, I am part of the upcoming generation and I know what it's damn well like. How so few kids I know understand the idea of consequence. Care that some old lady is going to have to climb up a latter in the middle of winter to clean her egg splattered window; to have to spend $100 of her pension to fix her car. How so many kids can get outraged when they are treated "unfairly", then turn around and kill some kids dog for kicks, knowing full well if someone ripped their hoodie they'd shit kick them.
...Alot of my generation is absolutely fucking fucked. And it's all because their somewhat less fucked up parents kept them so sheltered, so safe, to the point where they emerged from their cacoons to late to become people.
Actually, "manliness" is an issue, especially when knowing how to defend oneself is part of being "manly." I suppose it's a pretty fluid definition, but here's a quick reference:
50 Cent, Eminem, Linkin Park, that kid who played Donnie Darko: Not manly.
Dirty Harry: Manly.
Sure, you can't go around being like something on TV without running the risk of being a "cartoon male," but that's where discretion and personality comes into play.
I'm also not saying that you have to be manly to defend yourself, either, though it couldn't hurt. For instance, even by my own definitions, I'm very, very unmanly except for my facial hair and higher than average (much higher) tolerance of alcohol - though I'm a bad example in this case because pretty much anyone on the planet could beat my ass to death without much trouble.
But when a society embraces the pussification of men so whole-heartedly as ours, most of the virtues attributed to being "manly" are also attacked. And so we get (not to attack anyone who's posted, just examples):
"Don't defend yourself, you might get in trouble!"
(Fed mostly to women)"Don't carry a weapon, they'll just take it away and hurt you with it!"
"Why use a gun/knife when you can just use (insert less effective less-lethal device - pepper spray, tazer, etc.)"
Etc., etc.
First off, you and I have very different definitions of manliness. For instance, you've pretty much just described 15-year-olds, who aren't really considered "men" anymore.
Secondly, being boisterous and crude can get you out of a lot of trouble if used properly.
Wild_qwerty
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Yoshi525 said:
I think they need a better understanding of cause and effect, in other words consequences for your actions.
Go back to the days of a lashing in the town square, bring back the stocks, and start hanging people
Sure maybe it over reacting to chop of the pinky finger of someone caught shoplifting but I doubt that they would risk another finger...
Sure the guys could be charged with mainslaughter after all it was an accident that the guy died, its not their fault, they werent breast feed when they were babies and guy looked at them funny, so lets face it he kind of deserved it. Simple answer - public hanging
Public Hanging - Guaranteed to reduce repeat offending
Sorrow
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
I agree, let's kill all violent criminals.
Lost Metal
Olde Skull
What is your definition of "Manliness?"
Because I've been in, seen and tried to break up a lot of fights as a youngster
Here are some things I've noticed,
The winner is almost always completely random
Height means nothing
Weight means nothing
Experience means nothing
Manly features like Muscles, Facial Hair and Aggressive attitude, mean nothing
Skill does mean something, unless the person is drunk, then it means nothing.
One thing I have consistently noticed though, is people with a wrestling background, win fights more often than people who like to throw wild punches and kicks.
Because I've been in, seen and tried to break up a lot of fights as a youngster
Here are some things I've noticed,
The winner is almost always completely random
Height means nothing
Weight means nothing
Experience means nothing
Manly features like Muscles, Facial Hair and Aggressive attitude, mean nothing
Skill does mean something, unless the person is drunk, then it means nothing.
One thing I have consistently noticed though, is people with a wrestling background, win fights more often than people who like to throw wild punches and kicks.
Specialist said:
They will say the same in the future...
Its not hard to find academic texts that say teh exact opposite thing!
Anyway, i belive juvenil violence is increasing in Europe due to imigration from the ex-colonies. I could elaborate, but i gotta go work now so maybe later...
Sorrow
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Well, we have a school and street violence in Poland without immigration.
I think that it's more the question of media hysteria and lack of hygiene.
I think that it's more the question of media hysteria and lack of hygiene.