Moral Ambiguity

k9wazere said:
Anyway, it's very applicable to FO3. Your choices at char creation seem to have very little impact on the way the game plays. Your choices in dialogue always seem to lead you to the same outcome. Your actions throughout the game have no bearing whatsoever on the ending. :/
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In the gametrailerstv interviews the Beth director gave the example of "moral ambiguity" as whether you decide to blow up Megaton. HA. That's not ambiguity, that's moral choice...either you're evil or good. There is nothing ambiguous about it! I think it's lack of creativity. AND the karma system often eliminates the choice. e.g. Tenpenny Tower:
[spoiler:86cd288c5b]To be good, you pretty much have to side with the ghouls which ALWAYS results in the death of the residents, even the tolerant ones. AND you always get negative karma for killing the ghouls even for avenging the good people"[/spoiler:86cd288c5b]

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Or like sleeping with the woman at Vault City courtyard to get her husband out of the detention centre in FO2.

Sure, it was a nice thing to do, but you still are a bastard because of the way in which you decided to do it.

I think at the end of the day its all about depth, and that is what FO3 lacks I think.
 
Chancellor Kremlin said:
Or like sleeping with the woman at Vault City courtyard to get her husband out of the detention centre in FO2.

Sure, it was a nice thing to do, but you still are a bastard because of the way in which you decided to do it.

I think at the end of the day its all about depth, and that is what FO3 lacks I think.
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Yee F2 had it moments...like sleeping with daughter and mother :) and at end you got info daughter is pregnant :) damn i think i play again F2 and cheak something...

Any way i started play again as bad character with some modification all npc killable and kids too...

And after i blowup megaton i found Moira and well i reloaded...

I was traying to tell her to move her ass out of megaton but there is no such option...

My first game was as good character and when i finished...i reloaded many times and i came with idea earlier my big green friend told me he is immune to radiation he got geck for me...and when i ask him to start purifyer he refuses WTF...so its me or Lyons kinda lame ending...maybe i killed colonel to fast maybe he can be persuaded...

Any way F3 is fine but i want extra content i dont care about voice acting i just want lots of options...any way whats point of voice acting becouse of that theres not much dialogue plus most people dont like this or that voice...
 
gregor_y said:
Yee F2 had it moments...like sleeping with daughter and mother :) and at end you got info daughter is pregnant :) damn i think i play again F2 and cheak something...
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Or selling your NPC's into slavery lol.

Or marrying Miria, selling her into slavery/having her killed, then telling her father.

Or asking for bribes from people, and then just turning them in anyway.

Or being a made man gangster and getting stuff for free or major discounts.

*Sigh* .... I miss all that.
 
Chancellor Kremlin said:
Or marrying Miria, selling her into slavery/having her killed, then telling her father.

*Sigh* .... I miss all that.
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Thats the fun part father dies if you tell him :)

Any way we all miss that...
 
Blood Ties quest pisses me off.

(I moved this post from a thread I created and then deleted the thread because my post fits much better here. Re: Blood Ties)

Ok. So I got this quest at the very beginning of the game and neglected it for a while. Then I finally make it over to distant Arefu and get on this whole quest to find Lucy's brother. I get around to it eventually and I find out what happened to him.

[spoiler:b4d877a1f7]He's living with a bunch of fucking vampires! So I'm like "ok, well a bunch of wanna-be vampires kidnapped this guy, let's set him loose." I get the password from one of the women-vampires using the lady killer perk, which would have been a perfect opportunity to get me laid but again Bethesda keeps my character uncharacteristically celibate. [/spoiler:b4d877a1f7]

I've gotten tangent but anyway, I 'freed' Lucy West's brother and arranged the agreement between Arefu and the family. I talk to the brother West and ask him what it's like to be back in Arefu, he says "Well it's kind of weird being back in my parents house, but everyone here has been really nice to me." wtf? What a bland, generic answer that has nearly nothing to do with any of the quest that I just spent 45 game-minutes doing!

[spoiler:b4d877a1f7]Nothing about holding back cravings for human blood or desiring to kill everyone or anything or what he's gonna do now that everyone he knows is gone. MOST importantly, nothing about his damn sister or her damn letter that I went through all the trouble of bringing to him[/spoiler:b4d877a1f7]

Then I go back to Lucy to tell her that I delivered her letter. She says "Oh, gee thanks for doing that, I practically forgot about it." FOLLOWED BY "It means so much to me that you delivered it, thanks so much". No EXP. No Karma gained. Don't find out what the letter was about. Nothing about her brother being a [spoiler:b4d877a1f7]fucking vampire!

Brother West never goes back to his sister, and I only assume that he will eventually devour everyone in Arefu now that he's an unsupervised vampire man-child. So I'm going back and redoing the quest to just keep him with the family and screw Lucy and her damn letter that was the reason why I got into this quest in the FIRST place.[/spoiler:b4d877a1f7]

You might say, 'Oh what an unpredictable ending'. Well sure it was unpredictable, but it was uncreative, and it didn't even resolve most of the issues the quest brought up in the first place. Was I supposed to neglect this quest and forget to check back with lucy or her brother? Was I supposed to not care about the outcome? What other quests am I supposed to not care about, because I'd like to know in advance before I waste my time.
 
Unfortunately this is all too common in the game.

[spoiler:ffcc1a2148]Take for example when you help the druggy in Megaton. You get lukewarm reactions to helping him, and then Andy Stohl still treats you with general disdain when you speak to him.[/spoiler:ffcc1a2148]

The impact you make in the world of Fallout 3 is minimal. The biggest impact you can make on these people's lives is to end them.
 
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