More forum tidbits from here and Bethesda

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Brother None, Jan 18, 2008.

  1. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all

    Apr 3, 2003
    Fallout 1 lead designer (and Tactics senior designer) Chris Taylor had some clarifications on the earlier Fallout 3 developers on Fallout:<blockquote>1. Interface & Hotkeys
    I've been playing FO again and there are definitely areas of the interface I would re-design using the experience I've gained over the years. Skill use and Inventory are _way_ up there. Bummer the guy didn't find the hotkeys, it makes the game so much more enjoyable to play.

    2. Weapons
    The gun choices in FO1 were 90% mine. I felt that weapon technology would have developed differently in the Fallout universe after the split with our timeline, so I tried to make less of the weapons "real-world". The two exceptions (that I can remember) are the Desert Eagle .44 and the 9mm Mauser. The DE was my favorite gun at the time and I had to include it. The 9mm Mauser is an older weapon that I think has a very cool, unique look to it.

    Others, like the .223 and the 10mm guns, were based on real-world weapons. (There are guys out there that make pistols that shoot rifle cartridges, like the .223. I applaud their insanity. ^_^)

    The 14mm is pure speculation.

    And the energy weapons are just plain out fantasy.

    My only regret is not including a Colt .45. It fits in the same category as the Mauser. I think it was a question of trying to keep the number of ammo types down.

    Nowadays, it's a more interesting question of what weapons to include because more manufacturers pay attention to how their products are used in computer and video games. You might (erm, probably) have to get permission from Glock, for example, to use their likenesses and marks in a game.

    -Chris</blockquote>Dan Ross, QA on Fallout 3, is taken aback. There are some more questions further down that thread, nothing pertinent except a clarification that the guys answering questions on the forum really aren't the guys who have any influence on anything.<blockquote>Did it happend that on one or more occasions you were discussing something from this board in terms of bending your view towards it or simply including it? If yes, what topic area from forum was discussed or discussed mostly (like moral, art/graphics, lore stuff, gameplay and so). If not, are you planning to do so in future?

    Ricardo Gonzalez (interface programmer): As a coder, I have a very specific field of influence for changes in the game. Possible holes in the BoS backstory? Changes in world architecture? Not my bag. Now, if you want discuss the use of static const member variables over pre-processor defines, then we can talk turkey!

    Dan Ross (QA): Not really my department, so no.</blockquote>
  2. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all

    Apr 3, 2003
    I hate to say it but someone has to...

    And this is a QA guy, people. Quality...Assurance... :boy:
  3. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    He played three Fo2 games and didn't get the car working? Guess he's not a crazy completist then.
  4. Maphusio

    Maphusio Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Sep 25, 2004
    I'm so confused what's Roshambo have to do with this?!
  5. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    He was working in QA.

    It's kinda scary that the person that is responsible for searching for bugs and making sugestions doesn't even read manuals for games he plays...
    Or didn't notice that manuals are on game CD...
  6. FeelTheRads

    FeelTheRads Vault Senior Citizen

    Sep 15, 2004
    It's sad when people find it funny that they're dumb and suck at what they do. This Dan Ross seems almost thrilled.
  7. Briosafreak

    Briosafreak Lived Through the Heat Death

    Dec 18, 2003
    Well he read the Chris Taylor remark and found it funny that after all the Fallout gaming he did he never saw that. Seems pretty humble and light hearted of him, I'm glad he has a sense of humor.

    That doesn't make sense, it's not like he is testing the games he plays, he's is playing them. Geez, relax, we have enough things to criticize that came in the last weeks or are coming soon, let's not go overboard with petty stuff now.

    Besides he is a nice guy, still hasn't been dipped...
  8. Morbus

    Morbus Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 16, 2006
    I actually don't see it that way... He's just, you know, covering it up with jokes. It's like when someone is emotionally unstable and keeps telling jokes and stuff, only in this case, its more like when the employee screws things up and tries to make it seem not that big a deal when the boss comes to him all "wtf's goin on in here?"...

    Aww, when it comes down to it, even Herve Caen may be a nice guy... times...

    ...when he's sleeping...
  9. Briosafreak

    Briosafreak Lived Through the Heat Death

    Dec 18, 2003
    Nah, you are being too speculative.

    You can't seriously compare the two, now can you?
  10. Morbus

    Morbus Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 16, 2006
    Of course not, I don't even know him :P I was just saying that, despite their acts, people are usually nice when you get to meet and know them. It's like, people can do lots of horrible stuff, but not be horrible people.

    I know it's kind of hard to accept for torr and petey... todd and pete but it's probably true...
  11. Serbaside

    Serbaside Casual Vaulter

    Dec 20, 2005
    Now I feel bad knowing these guys read our posts on how we think they suck.
  12. Mord_Sith

    Mord_Sith Mildly Dipped

    Sep 21, 2007
    It's mostly the company that's disliked, as they're making the decisions that are destroying our favorite / childhood game theme and replacing it with a Paris Hilton knockoff.
  13. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    You're able to tell that from the way someone posts? Even when there's a more reasonable interpretation?

    I don't think they suck. I think we'd find them quite agreeable if they were to post here, except they're not allowed to.
  14. xdarkyrex

    xdarkyrex Vault Senior Citizen

    Aug 28, 2006
    I never said they suck, I've been very supportive as a rule of thumb. Being a dick to someone who has the job of delivering a complex piece of art to you seems pretty counter-productive :P
    Even if you aren't confident in their direction.
    Delivery is key.

    That being said... they seem nice to me, I bet they're all cool guys, even if they don't know Fallout so intimately that they can be counted among the fanatics.
  15. Briosafreak

    Briosafreak Lived Through the Heat Death

    Dec 18, 2003
    That has surely backfired on them. bah.
  16. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all

    Apr 3, 2003
    They should feel bad about making a game that is upsetting so many :mrgreen:

    That said, we're generally a lot nicer to people who post here than people who stay on their own island. You can notice that in several previews we criticized, if/when the writer comes over himself, the tone of the debate changes completely. We'd be a lot less mean to these guys if they posted here. And the saddest thing is that it's not even their fault that they can't.

    And it's not like anyone can blame our users if we don't feel like going to the Bethesda forums, who have a reputation across several places on the internet as one of the worst-moderated forums in existence, with petty rules, not to mention the Fallout 3 forum is a mess that exists purely for the purpose of trolling and flaming.

    Besides, I always find it confusing how people feel you can't criticize Bethesda's talent pool when working on Fallout 3 without making them "feel insulted."

    If a commercial contractor suddenly decides he wants to build a home for a family of husband-wife-and-2.6-children and I tell him "dude, you've never done this before, get other professionals who do know what they're doing to help you or stop it" am I insulting him? Questioning his talent? He's still a very good commercial contractor, he just shouldn't be building homes.

    Same goes for Bethesda. They're very good at what they normally do, but why do so many people (especially gaming media) think that means they're good at whatever else they pick up by default? Why would someone who made Oblivion be good at Fallout?

    We have a saying in the Netherlands: "schoenmaker, blijf bij je leest", or "shoe maker, stay with what you've learned."

    It's not our fault they didn't, but it sure as hell is our good right to mock them as they show more and more that they're really in over their heads.

    Well, we do, you're too busy running a Fallout 3 fansite :P
  17. Morbus

    Morbus Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 16, 2006
    I don't "tell" it, it's just the way I see it. And I'm biased, as you all know. Biased out of moral obligation.
  18. GuyIncognito

    GuyIncognito First time out of the vault

    Sep 19, 2007
    Chris Taylor's way of saying "he loves the bear dude" too?
  19. ***F.E.A.R.***MaNiaC

    ***F.E.A.R.***MaNiaC First time out of the vault

    Sep 22, 2007
    "Schuster, bleib bei deinen Leisten." in german.
    Guess you knew it ;-)

    We have also great examples for people not staying with what they learned. Remember that small austrian guy that did draw postcards and then was up to become the ruler of germany?
  20. Ravager69

    Ravager69 Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 21, 2007
    Uncle Sam? Ah, no, you mean Hitler. Sorry, my bad. Anyway, I don't think staying with what you learn is a good idea. If everyone stayed with what they learnt at elementary....