new graphics, etc? who wants them?

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Ronin

First time out of the vault
I was reading through the forums and am surprised by the many people talking about graphics, new combat systems, (the list goes on).

thing is, I dont think i'd like fallout as much without the original f1/f2 graphics and combat system. To be honest all I really want is a new well thought off storyline, new quests and a fallout 3 so big I could play it for 3 years and still not have finished it.

I'm basically worried that any changes from the original f1 and f2 will do f3 no good, and even worse turn out in a game that will ruin its predecessors...

I realize bethesda won't ever make a remake like described above, but i'm still curious what the other members of nma think about this.

ps. as an addition to what I posted above, all I want is maybe some new people graphics (mobster is coolish), some minor fixes (realistic restocking merchants, new talking heads, some new sprites (though in the fallout theme), bigger map (though still in north america), bigger towns (more quests, maybe more maps, not to big though, dont want to get lost).
 
AFAIK the original 3D models the sprites are based on don't exist anymore.

Tough luck, eh?
 
Ronin said:
a fallout 3 so big I could play it for 3 years and still not have finished it.
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Why stop there? Make it 10 years. And no empty landscapes or randomly generated mazes, it should all be crafted and plotted in minute detail. Also they should sell it to us for $2.99.
 
Per said:
Why stop there? Make it 10 years. And no empty landscapes or randomly generated mazes, it should all be crafted and plotted in minute detail. Also they should sell it to us for $2.99.
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Could that really happen? :freak:
 
Per said:
Ronin said:
a fallout 3 so big I could play it for 3 years and still not have finished it.
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Why stop there? Make it 10 years. And no empty landscapes or randomly generated mazes, it should all be crafted and plotted in minute detail. Also they should sell it to us for $2.99.
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woo soo funny, its a figure of speech. Thanks for the well founded reply
 
With a few rendering effects, yes.

Add some lighting effects, proper shadows and anti-aliasing, and it'd have looked good enough.

They could've supported bump-mapping or other eye candy for the high-end-whores, too.
 
Personally, it would be great if they add some nice rendering, etc. I really don't care as long as the flavor is preserved. One can only hope the designers don't get so tied up in sprucing up the graphics that they decide to "improve" too much artistically. IE, making the laser look like something from " Babylon 5" vs something from "Mars needs Women" ...50's baby, always :)
 
If they keep graphics as they are that'd be great, however, it could work with other graphics. Just as long as they stayed true to what made Fallout, Fallout. They've made big changes to games battle system/graphics before, and the game's been great fun. E.G FF7, another one of my great loves, they went from Top-down-view that they'd used all along, and changed to 3d models, and it was a fun experience.
If they make a real-time-combat game, it must be boycotted.

I gave up on Fo3 being what I hoped a while back, I'll get it, but I'm more looking forward to Bourgeoisie.
 
meatbot said:
Personally, it would be great if they add some nice rendering, etc. I really don't care as long as the flavor is preserved. One can only hope the designers don't get so tied up in sprucing up the graphics that they decide to "improve" too much artistically. IE, making the laser look like something from " Babylon 5" vs something from "Mars needs Women" ...50's baby, always :)
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Mars Needs Women (1967) wasn´t made in te fifties.
 
That´s ok.

Anyway, I don´t mind if it´s made in 50´s or even 60´s as long as it has the right feel to it. I know what you were trying to say but I just had to point taht out.
 
It's difficult to get any kind of feel with 3D graphics. The only games worth mentioning when you talk of atmosphere and that quickly jump to mind are Doom 3 and perhaps even S.T.A.L.K.E.R if the game looks as good as the screenshots do.

The 2D Fallout graphics left a lot up to the players imagination; I can't say the same for many 3D games.

No more fantasizing about those red headed ladies in metal armour..

There was this cartoonish type of rendering out for a game called.. XIII I believe. Perhaps if they'd make it few grades less cartoonish it'd be perfect for that 50's look and feel.. Has anyone ever played that? I only saw a few screenshots.



thing is, I dont think i'd like fallout as much without the original f1/f2 graphics and combat system. To be honest all I really want is a new well thought off storyline, new quests and a fallout 3 so big I could play it for 3 years and still not have finished it.
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I never thought of my Fallout experience as finished. You can play till all possibilities are explored and when that's done, you create your own!
 
Toon shaders are a bad idea.

XIII looked shit. Zelda doesn't look much better even though it dropped the inking.

The last thing Fallout should look like is a low-quality CG cartoon.
 
I agree with Ashmo. Cartoon theme would not apply to Fallout. Not to mention i can't imagine post apocalyptic Zelda :D . Pity that probably most of Van Buren techniques will not be used by Beth. The point for programmers and developers is to create (as the name suggests) a suitable continuation, not a new game, and I'm not convinced Beth will succeed to do so. I do not know whether you have seen Oblivion technical requirements. If Beth tries to create F3 on the Oblivion engine the requirements will be awkward. I don't even touch the point that FPP/TPP 3D game would not be a fallout for some fans.
 
Strong Points: "We used the old engine, and spent all our time on gameplay."
"Hey, look, hardcore fans are happy!"
"We were able to make the game quicker, because we weren't fucking around with a new engine."

Weak Points: "Look, fancy crap! Doesn't that distract you from the lack of content in the game!"
"I'm sorry, but we're delaying the game somemore for engine building."
"Since we've already changed the engine, let's get rid of all Fo's good points."
 
I don't get your remark.

I assume you want to keep the 2D engine. This can not be done because:

  • Very few people who still like 2D games.
  • Even fewer people who would buy them
  • Investors don't invest in things that aren't worth investing from an economic point of view. Unless they're tree hugging hippies, in which case they wouldn't be p(l)aying (for) a game that has a lot of violence and almost no trees to hug.
  • The 2D engine is heavily outdated and a lot of techniques used back then can be done quicker and better now. Like the talking faces. This is mentioned in the bible.

Just because it looks different, doesn't mean it has to feel different. I have a high-end computer and if I buy a brand new game, I want it to make use of what I have. [/list]
 
I'd enjoy better graphics in a new game. Completely new game, not part of a series. Changing the engine would completely ruin the feel of Fo as much as a new combat system or an alternative to S.P.E.C.I.A.L would.

Bethesda only understand money, so unless it's made clear that F03 with fancy shit wouldn't be bought, they won't keep the good ol' system. Were a Boycott of Fo3 with new graphics made clear to BethSoft, perhaps that would make a difference.

This is mentioned in the bible.
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I read the Fo Bible, and anyone who played the game in a non-hallucigenic state can disprove alot of their points. It may not be the case for this point, but I wouldn't hold the Bible up as a volume of great truth.

Also, the idea of someone who only today understood who bethsoft are, lecturing on the fine points of Fo3 irratates me.
 
RPGenius said:
I'd enjoy better graphics in a new game. Completely new game, not part of a series. Changing the engine would completely ruin the feel of Fo as much as a new combat system or an alternative to S.P.E.C.I.A.L would.
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That's just bullshit. A 3D engine does not need to change anything about the game. All they need to do is keep the original isometric view and create graphics for the engine that have the seem feel to them.
And besides that, it's completely unrealistic for a company who just spent a lot of money on a license to then use an outdated and hard to script for engine that mod teams have been using for several years now.

RPGenius said:
Bethesda only understand money, so unless it's made clear that F03 with fancy shit wouldn't be bought, they won't keep the good ol' system. Were a Boycott of Fo3 with new graphics made clear to BethSoft, perhaps that would make a difference.
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FO3 with 'fancy shit' will still be bought, including by you probably. See, the old graphics and engine are quite good, but that doesn't automatically make everything else sucky.


RPGenius said:
I read the Fo Bible, and anyone who played the game in a non-hallucigenic state can disprove alot of their points. It may not be the case for this point, but I wouldn't hold the Bible up as a volume of great truth.

Also, the idea of someone who only today understood who bethsoft are, lecturing on the fine points of Fo3 irratates me.
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And your, largely unfounded, remarks about Bethsoft not being able to do anything irritate me a lot. Live with it.
Besides which, these points you make:
"We were able to make the game quicker, because we weren't fucking around with a new engine."

Weak Points: "Look, fancy crap! Doesn't that distract you from the lack of content in the game!"
"I'm sorry, but we're delaying the game somemore for engine building."
"Since we've already changed the engine, let's get rid of all Fo's good points."
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Are also bullshit. That new engine has largely been developed and will have already been used for Oblivion, meaning that the extra investment put into the 'new' graphics engine will be minimal. And that last point is completely unfounded, and is what annoys me a lot about remarks made around here lately.

Look, people, Bethesda may not have done much good regarding the TES series, but just shouting 'Bethsoft sucks, they can't do anything right' is both only loosely founded in reality and won't help at all. It just makes you look like a moron who will hate the end-product no matter what Bethsoft does. Because they haven't shown anything at all flaming them for making an inferior product you don't know anything about will only lead to them ignoring the rational and well-thought out points that don't involve flaming them.
 
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