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There's another reason for omitting the children-they would have to remove them anyway in countries with laws banning the depiction of child deaths.

Instead, they decide to make the game around with no children. I can't' say this decision disappoints me. It's a good business decision.
 
There's another reason for omitting the children-they would have to remove them anyway in countries with laws banning the depiction of child deaths.

Instead, they decide to make the game around with no children. I can't' say this decision disappoints me. It's a good business decision.
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That is true, although it's entirely likely there will be children in the game, they will simply be unkillable.
 
ejacksonian said:
There's another reason for omitting the children-they would have to remove them anyway in countries with laws banning the depiction of child deaths.
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And furthermore, they might be afraid to do this, because someone would certainly come out with a patch to put killable children back in for the countries with the ban, and this might cause Beth problems, just like they got burned with Oblivion when someone released the boobies patch and they had to rerate it to M.
 
umph, those ethics, morals & double standards.....maybe someone'll get so frustrated with this that they will ACTUALLY come out in the street and kill a child :)
or they'll be curious whether the children are really unkillable (as someone suggested, that would be a possibility in the game) :mrgreen:
 
vovan said:
ejacksonian said:
There's another reason for omitting the children-they would have to remove them anyway in countries with laws banning the depiction of child deaths.
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And furthermore, they might be afraid to do this, because someone would certainly come out with a patch to put killable children back in for the countries with the ban, and this might cause Beth problems, just like they got burned with Oblivion when someone released the boobies patch and they had to rerate it to M.
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On the other hand, Neverwinter Nights (1 and 2) both have plenty of full nudity haks and no trouble at all.

The reason for this being that the Oblivion 'booby' patch used inherent game textures (the male chest texture actually, since it had nipples), where as NWN's nude haks used 100% fan created material (well... actually more like 5%, but it was the 5% that mattered).
 
Blackwing said:
The reason for this being that the Oblivion 'booby' patch used inherent game textures (the male chest texture actually, since it had nipples), where as NWN's nude haks used 100% fan created material (well... actually more like 5%, but it was the 5% that mattered).
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That actually raises a curious point. Wouldn't the same logic apply to making children killable?

I mean, it seems to me that to ESRB, this may seem like a very similar case.

Recall Oblivion. Game comes out without female nudity. Rated T (I think?). Modder comes along, puts in-game skins onto female models. Now, there's nudity, using in-game assets, so bam, re-rate M.

Now, let's say F3 comes out with unkillable children (not confirmed from what I understand?). Rated M. Modder comes along, flips the isKillable flag (or something), making children killable. Killing was in the original game, children were in the original game. Would it not then be a consistent decision for ESRB to apply the same kind of logic as before and re-rate the game as if children were killable to begin with?

Therefore, there seem to be two solutions to this (excepting putting in killable children): (a) no children, or (b) no modding.


Sorry if I am beating a dead horse here. If this has been discussed to death, feel free to disregard me - I haven't been following the forums here or on Beth site much...
 
You are not beating a dead horse-you get a legitimate point there.

However, that is why I believe Bethesda will be as cautious as possible, and have no children in the game- at all. In any additional content relating to children would not be there's.

Remember, having no children in the UK version of FO2 was annoying. I couldn't complete certain quests. Bethesda has every reason to only have non-children in the game.
 
ratsnack said:
cool im gonna call adults, non-children now
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The only reason I am referring to non-children is because it is still possible for Bethesda to use teens, or other people that are not children nor adults.
 
Updated. Added the link to the article preview. Anyone have any quotes taken from around the forum they think would work for this?
 
The version of Fallout 2 I played had unkillable children. It was kind of hilarious being beaten up by a small child.

I didn't feel that it detracted at all. I think this is a lot of kerfluffle about very little.
 
Uh....isn't Fallout 3 already rated 16 or 18+?? If not, I bet it will be. So what's up with the kids? Why do they bother? It's a game for adults from the start anyway. Those damn politicians.....I think game designers should use arguments like "if there won't be any children in the game, people playing it won't know how to talk with them in the real world, cause that what games do - teach and not violence only" or "if there'll be immortal kids, people playing it will think they can shoot children and they'll live. The sight of a killed child should be showed as drastic as possible, to make people not want to see it ever again. Normal people anyway".
Screw ESRB or whatever it is called. Damn nerds and no-lives wanting to tell other people what allowed or not (I'm not an anarchist mind you, I just don't appreciate other boundaries than official law and my sense of morality).

As for the FAQ - I was beggining to think that guys at NMA are frustrated assholes with a need to flame people disagreeing with them. Now I'm glad to see that I was wrong x] Neat job man.
 
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