Now Dove, Akin did ask if the problem exists for the original Fallout.
No (or very little) random encounters in F2
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^excactly
yep, encounter boosting, I've allways been under the impression that the amount of random encounters depended on travel time...what I'm thinking is:
PC enter world map, soundtrack and count-down until next random encounter starts...
Now if the player hasn't moved, or is staying still when the count-down stops, he/she won't get any random encounters...
If he/she is moving, there is x % chance of getting a random encounter
And since the soundtrack and count-down starts at the same time, you would get randoms on the same places of the soundtracks every time if you know what I mean...'tis wrong?
dude_obj said:
yep, encounter boosting, I've allways been under the impression that the amount of random encounters depended on travel time...what I'm thinking is:
PC enter world map, soundtrack and count-down until next random encounter starts...
Now if the player hasn't moved, or is staying still when the count-down stops, he/she won't get any random encounters...
If he/she is moving, there is x % chance of getting a random encounter
And since the soundtrack and count-down starts at the same time, you would get randoms on the same places of the soundtracks every time if you know what I mean...'tis wrong?
Kahgan said:
Well my experience in number of encounter have been:
On an old machine say < 400Mhz the encounters are "normal".
On fast machines (1-1.5Ghz) I hardly get any encounters.
If I use the random encounter booster patch (sets 100/100/100/100/100) I get too many encounters.
If I reduce those numbers 100/70/50/40/30 I'm back to "normal" (about the same as it used to be on a slow machine).
I have no idea if "travel time" affects the number of encounters, but the percentages are set in worldmap.txt. So even if its true, we can't change travel time, but we can change the chance of them occuring by changing the numbers in worldmap.txt
Akin said:
Fallout, contrary to what someone said previously, does NOT use the same engine as Fallout 2. I've been replaying them both extensively as of late, and after probably 5 or so total games worth of Fallout 1, I'm pretty convinced that random encounters are somehow tied to travel times, as they seem completely normal in Fallout 1 without any mods or slow-down utilities.
I've solved my encounter problem with Fallout 2 in almost exactly the same way as a couple others have mentioned here (modified the values in the encounter patch) - my numbers were so close to those I'll have to go get my nullifier to prevent you people from reading my thoughts anymore.
While the concept of the game engines has been mentioned, is it just me, or does anyone else find it odd that Fallout 2 runs *very* fast on the world map/travel scrren and alt-tabs (fairly well), whereas Fallout 1's world map seems to work just like it did on the machine I first played the game on years ago, and can't be alt tabbed whatsoever (at least it doesn't do anything on my system).
I'm wondering if the difference isn't due to code changes that had to be made in order for the car to actually move faster than walking in FO2 -since this wouldn't have been required in FO1. If that's the case, I also wonder if the travel screen couldn't be slowed down in FO2 to get it to work more as originally intended... maybe with one of those in-memory patchers or the like, since I tend to suspect it's hardcoded in the exe and not in a script or the like.
Meh.. just musing now, so I'll hush.
-Wraith
I have a _very_ interesting observation:
I didn’t just clicked on one of the “city buttons”, but clicked on locations on the world map on the way to that particular city instead (ie divided the way into smaller stages), I almost ALWAYS had a random encounter just after I STARTED from where I stopped by in the wasteland…
Try it out, you don’t even have to go to the game screen (so don’t enter the empty place), just stop by on the world map, then click on a new location, and (based on my experiences) you’ll have that highly wanted encounter-sign WITHIN JUST A SECOND… 8)
By the way, I use the edited (!) encounter-booster (so no 100%s featured) but anyway, this method generates an encounter 90% of the time.
I don’t know if it’s a bug of the original game or something the encounter-booster introduced, anyway it works (in case you’d miss those random encounters)!
I didn’t just clicked on one of the “city buttons”, but clicked on locations on the world map on the way to that particular city instead (ie divided the way into smaller stages), I almost ALWAYS had a random encounter just after I STARTED from where I stopped by in the wasteland…
Try it out, you don’t even have to go to the game screen (so don’t enter the empty place), just stop by on the world map, then click on a new location, and (based on my experiences) you’ll have that highly wanted encounter-sign WITHIN JUST A SECOND… 8)
By the way, I use the edited (!) encounter-booster (so no 100%s featured) but anyway, this method generates an encounter 90% of the time.
I don’t know if it’s a bug of the original game or something the encounter-booster introduced, anyway it works (in case you’d miss those random encounters)!
Yeah, I'm not certain what causes that (admittedly, I haven't dug *that* deep into all the files involved yet), but I have to agree that the encounter rate is quite noticably higher if you were to make a trip in say 2 or 3 stages (stopping as you indicate in an empty location and starting again from there) than if you go straight point-to-point.
I suspect that there's some manner of "if no encounter yet, check again with higher chance" statement in there *someplace*, which sees every stop as another check -but that's merely speculation right now since as I said, I haven't really dug that deeply just yet.
-Wraith
I suspect that there's some manner of "if no encounter yet, check again with higher chance" statement in there *someplace*, which sees every stop as another check -but that's merely speculation right now since as I said, I haven't really dug that deeply just yet.
-Wraith
Here's some similar stuff from an old tips collection that might be of interest:
Could be just random BS though.
Could be just random BS though.
Brutulf said:Exactly what does those percentage ratings mean?
Is it percentage of hitting an encounter when moving from one spot to another, the percentage for hitting one within a give time period or what? Has anyone got a clue?:
I don't know yet personally, but I expect to know before long since the project I'm beginning work on currently will eventually require me to understand how all that works.
I'll keep you posted either I'll explain how it works or I'll post saying I've disected it and still can't figure it out (which may happen if too much of it is hard-coded. Tearing apart the exe isn't my area of expertise.)
-Wraith