Noah's home, or something else?

Man, I am so close to Black Sea...I have to do some research, who knows, I could be lucky, hehehe
 
About the Black Sea flooding, I've heard my anthropology professors talk about this and it seems that the general consensus is that this event is what Noah's Ark and other similiar ancient tales are based upon.

I'm not too sure about the Atlantis theory though. I've read a couple of books that goes into detail how Atlantis might actually now be known as Antartica though. Those books were written by Erich von Däniken, so I doubt that they hold up to academic standards.
 
Because he's german? :twisted:

Anyway, why don't they go to the bottom of the black sea and check it out? They did, but seemed to give up so early. Maybe it's too salty.
 
There are definetely traces of civilization at the bottom of the Black Sea, but you have to remember that this was a time period where settlements were spread apart from each other, so it would be really hard to do any research unless you knew where exactly to look.

You're right about the salt though, as that would cause advanced corrosion on any research vehicles they send into the water.

Erich von Däniken has a habit of making scientific facts into pseudo-science-fiction, which is why I wouldn't hold what he says to be actual fact. Still, his books made for some really interesting middle school reading material.

EDIT: Keep in mind that we're talking about a large area of land that was suddenly and rapidly flooded by salt water and turned into a sea. Nothing that was there before the flood would still be in its original condition, or unaltered by the salt water and settlement.
 
Ozrat said:
About the Black Sea flooding, I've heard my anthropology professors talk about this and it seems that the general consensus is that this event is what Noah's Ark and other similiar ancient tales are based upon.
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Yah, I've heard it too, and I agree with it largely. Would explain why the Jewish 'race' is so closeley related to the caucasian, why it's Mt. Ararat of all places....interesting stuff.
 
Lord Inquisitor Baboonius said:
Ozrat, I thought you were an engineering student?
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I'm 17 and I know most of this, you don't have to get a degree to know the basics of the Black Sea. Though to be honest, I'm a bit surprised as well Ozrat.
 
It's not that. Why does he have anthropology professors? Unless he had that in high school (weird maybe).
 
The salt levels in the Black Sea are no higher than other nearly landlocked bodies of water; the salt content wouldn't do anything to a ship it wouldn't do in the open ocean.

I remember seeing some of Von Danigan's work that claimed that you could tell the location of cities because of unnatural mounds on the seabed. Ancient cities were always built upon previous buildings (and still are, but anyways) so they would 'mound up' over time. These mounds would be excellent clues for where to look.

And the Atlantis thing has also been shown with good evidence to have been a Minoan island city-built on a volcano. You can see where this is going. But still, the idea that Atlantis rests at the bottom of the Black Sea is almost as intriguing as the story of Moses and his Ark.

Why or how do you suppose CCR that the Ark got deposited on top of Mt Ararat? The water came in slow enough that it probably couldn't have 'sloshed' the Ark up that high.

Another thing that is intriguing is the idea that the Black Sea Valley, if you will, may have been the Biblical Garden of Eden too. Since it was so far below sea level the air was much more dense, in a manner similar to the Dead Sea. The dense air makes crops grow much much faster, just as they do on the (non-salted) shores of the Dead Sea. Thoughts?
 
I remember reading somewhere that the water/salt structure (yes I know it sounds stupid) is different in the Black Sea than in other seas. Overly cold and salty bottom, if I recall correctly.

I think there's an old issue of National Geographic lying around on my shelves somewhere on the subject...
 
From what I know, it is pretty likely that the Black Sea flooding was the event that so many civiizations remember as a gret flood around that area. The towns being on mounds because of rebuilding is true too if I recall. It's basically from refusethrown out into the street breaking down and raising the street level. Also, when you tore down a building that didn't have any useful parts to it, you would just live it there as foundation for the new building. This could create underground chambers that were the basement for the old building (or buildings). This took place over a long time though.


As far as Atlantis goes, it was most likely the cataclysmic destruction of the island of Thera (map) in the Aegean Sea. When the volcano that created the island decided to erupt, it destroyed most of the island. Migration patterns of ancient peoples with tales of a civilization like Atlantis can be traced back to this area. They've had a few shows on The History Channel about it and there are some books.
 
Why or how do you suppose CCR that the Ark got deposited on top of Mt Ararat? The water came in slow enough that it probably couldn't have 'sloshed' the Ark up that high.
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No no, that's not what I mean, I don't believe in Genesis literally. I mean the area around Ararat being the home of the Jewish 'race', and the population explosion from Armenia-eastern Turkey was what is said about after the Ark is grounded.

Talking out of ass: anyone think it could be about the Indo-European explosion? I mean, according to the non-Kurgan guys, Indo-European civilization started in Anatolia. It could have been a pretty literal Noah's Ark in a few ways.
 
I was referring to the Ark literally. Apparently a large ship has been cited on the slopes of the mountain, and both aircraft and eyewitness accounts have been brought back. They describe a ship that matched the biblical dimensions of the Ark. The Turkish government has put the mountain off limits explorers however, perhaps because they do not want anyone to confirm (or deny) the stories?

To clarify: The flood in the bible refers to flooding the entire earth; an ancient ship lodged on the side of a mountain would seem to back up these claims. But what if the flood was really the Black Sea? How then would the ship be tossed so far above sea level, if it indeed originated in the Black Sea Valley?
 
I'm a Christian, but I don't buy it. That would mean the resulting generations of people setteled in the area would not use wood readily availible in a fairly sparce land.

Turkey does'nt want people there becasue of Armenian Freedom Terrorists.
 
ConstipatedCraprunner said:
I'm a Christian, but I don't buy it. That would mean the resulting generations of people setteled in the area would not use wood readily availible in a fairly sparce land.

Turkey does'nt want people there becasue of Armenian Freedom Terrorists.
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The location is above the tree line and far away from many settled areas. My guess is that its isolation keep it from being explored or taken apart. So were you going to asnwer my question? :wink:
 
I suppose it would make it look like a bigger flood if not a world wide one, but I doubt it exsists today, or that it even exsisted.
 
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I mean, the oldest example of a ship found in Turkey I can think of is either of mid Byzantine or Abbasid design, that's 1000 years ago. This ship would have to predate the oldest ones in exsistance from pre dynastic Egypt, or at least date from a similar time.
 
And would be well preserved, above the treeline, away from insects and environmetal degradation. Besides it was huge, the chance of part of it, even a small one, is reasonable, given the condition it is preserved in.

I'm just saying, it is an interesting idea, and may provide evidence for or against the biblical story, if it did exist.
 
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