Nuka world one step backwards one step forwards ?

Irwin John Finster said:
Yea Bethesda and No Man's Sky developers didn't even have to do damage control, public relations, or marketing because kids on there do it for them.
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Honestly I feel bad for the guys at Hello Games. I know they lied but they were just an indie studio that should've stayed independent and should've charged $20, but instead they got way too much exposure.

I don't feel anything for Pete "realism" Hines.
 
SarcasticGoodGuy said:
Honestly I feel bad for the guys at Hello Games. I know they lied but they were just an indie studio that should've stayed independent and should've charged $20, but instead they got way too much exposure.

I don't feel anything for Pete "realism" Hines.
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I don't understand this sentiment. Hello Games is a business. They charged $60 for a product, lied about the product, and failed to deliver a good, working product. If this was EA people wouldn't be saying "I feel so bad for EA right now, they just got caught up in the moment and got excited and really wanted the game to be good. It's not their fault!"

If you start a business and lie about your product and charge 3 times what its actually worth you have no one to blame but yourself. Naivety isn't an excuse when you're charging real money for things.

But I don't want to derail the thread into another NMS thing so i'll leave it at that.
 
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Irwin John Finster said:
I don't understand this sentiment. Hello Games is a business. They charged $60 for a product, lied about the product, and failed to deliver a good, working product. If this was EA people wouldn't be saying "I feel so bad for EA right now, they just got caught up in the moment and got excited and really wanted the game to be good. It's not their fault!"

If you start a business and lie about your product and charge 3 times what its actually worth you have no one to blame but yourself. Naivety isn't an excuse when you're charging real money for things.

But I don't want to derail the thread into another NMS thing so i'll leave it at that.
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Didn't buy the game, haven't been following it much. The only lies I know of are multiplayer and giant sand worms.
They're just people, the hate seemed a little unjustified imo. But yeah I'll stop here instead of derailing the thread completely.
 
There's more to the boss fight than just beating him with a squirt gun: The Overboss wears a special power armor charged with energy that prevents him from taking damage. You use the squirt gun to short it out, lowering his defenses for a short time period, at which point you can use guns, melee, or whatever. Meanwhile he runs around shooting at you and tossing grenades until his armor kicks back on. Rinse and repeat until he's dead. It is a boss fight, regardless if you think it's stupid. The issue is how they don't leave it to the player to figure out what weapon to use on him to lower his defenses. As so often with this game, there's a lot of hand holding, no real puzzle solving. I think the player fighting and failing to beat the boss, only to finally figure out that a squirt gun was the key, would have been very gratifying. It's like the cappy puzzle where we collect letters for a password. Do they let us try and figure it out and input the password? Nope, we only need to collect the letters and an NPC figures it out for us.
 
Chud said:
There's more to the boss fight than just beating him with a squirt gun: The Overboss wears a special power armor charged with energy that prevents him from taking damage. You use the squirt gun to short it out, lowering his defenses for a short time period, at which point you can use guns, melee, or whatever. Meanwhile he runs around shooting at you and tossing grenades until his armor kicks back on. Rinse and repeat until he's dead. It is a boss fight, regardless if you think it's stupid. The issue is how they don't leave it to the player to figure out what weapon to use on him to lower his defenses. As so often with this game, there's a lot of hand holding, no real puzzle solving. I think the player fighting and failing to beat the boss, only to finally figure out that a squirt gun was the key, would have been very gratifying. It's like the cappy puzzle where we collect letters for a password. Do they let us try and figure it out and input the password? Nope, we only need to collect the letters and an NPC figures it out for us.
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Why would you wear armor that can be disabled with water?

Or am I asking inconvenient questions? lol
 
Chud said:
There's more to the boss fight than just beating him with a squirt gun: The Overboss wears a special power armor charged with energy that prevents him from taking damage. You use the squirt gun to short it out, lowering his defenses for a short time period, at which point you can use guns, melee, or whatever. Meanwhile he runs around shooting at you and tossing grenades until his armor kicks back on. Rinse and repeat until he's dead. It is a boss fight, regardless if you think it's stupid. The issue is how they don't leave it to the player to figure out what weapon to use on him to lower his defenses. As so often with this game, there's a lot of hand holding, no real puzzle solving. I think the player fighting and failing to beat the boss, only to finally figure out that a squirt gun was the key, would have been very gratifying. It's like the cappy puzzle where we collect letters for a password. Do they let us try and figure it out and input the password? Nope, we only need to collect the letters and an NPC figures it out for us.
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My point is you're beating him with a fucking squirt gun.
That's stupid even by Bethesda standards. I know "it is a boss fight", I never said it wasn't. But Bethesda have never gotten boss fights right. They don't have unique attacks (unique armour/weapons don't count) and instead of making an effort they just went with :

P: "Hey Emil, what's up?"
E: "Not much Babe, just working on Nuka World"
P: "I hear people want to be a raider"
E: "Nice! And that's why you're the PR guy"
P: "Aww Babe you're so kind"
E: "I need a gimmick for the boss fight, it's easier than putting effort into"
P: "Hmm"
...
"Make it take place in a bumper cars arena"
E: "Not gimmicky enough"

A wild Todd appears

T: "Squirt gun"
 
Irwin John Finster said:
Why would you wear armor that can be disabled with water?

Or am I asking inconvenient questions? lol
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It's silly video game logic, the kind that would have fit perfectly fine in an old 8-bit game. I personally won't get my panties in a twist over something like that, it's more the lack of any real puzzle solving that annoys me. Once I was told how to do the fight, I lost interest real quick and it all became a chore: "Just die already."
 
Chud said:
It's silly video game logic, the kind that would have fit perfectly fine in an old 8-bit game. I personally won't get my panties in a twist over something like that, it's more the lack of any real puzzle solving that annoys me. Once I was told how to do the fight, I lost interest real quick and it all became a chore: "Just die already."
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But what if it's raining when you do the boss fight?
 
Chud said:
The Overboss wears a special power armor charged with energy that prevents him from taking damage.
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Here's a question, how in the flying name of Horrigan does electricity make you invincible? I didn't pay much attention to the suit itself, but from the looks of things that suit should be killing The Overboss from the inside out. Like, I could've accepted if he was a melee boss, and the extra juice just jacked up his punches. But no, he's literally invincible. It's not even a damage reduction, he's physically unkillable.

Like, seriously! If being powered by electricity made you unkillable, I think the BoS, Enclave, NCR, or hell, even the institute would realize this massive game changer.
 
DR_LaZer said:
Here's a question, how in the flying name of Horrigan does electricity make you invincible? I didn't pay much attention to the suit itself, but from the looks of things that suit should be killing The Overboss from the inside out. Like, I could've accepted if he was a melee boss, and the extra juice just jacked up his punches. But no, he's literally invincible. It's not even a damage reduction, he's physically unkillable.

Like, seriously! If being powered by electricity made you unkillable, I think the BoS, Enclave, NCR, or hell, even the institute would realize this massive game changer.
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Good point. Really tesla coils should now block bullets.
 
I don't think any game studio is void from criticism infact nothing is escapilly something you paid for you won't buy some boxers turned out they where itchy and no complain about it. What does anyoun me is both extrems though people who don't really much of the game and heavy critic it and also people who ignore other peoples.

I saw a youtube saying Nuka world was a good send of for fallout 4 but thats just not case it reallly is the worst DLC and worst bit of fallout so far. Look at the steam reveiws and you'll see people don't like it i mean if you do fair enough. But overally if you don't think nuka world is crap thats you're own opion and not the collect expeirence right? If steam veiws are negative then its says alot as every other fallout Game and DLC is very postitive. So for me this says alot it really does. I would agure that steam rating are more acurate as they actually brought game rather than critics opion. They people who brought the game really matter and really don't like it that much so yeah something up.

I think if you play more 10 hours of anything you have the right to critic it even les maybe just paying for it you desevre to reveiw it however, Why people get so mad I can't understand

fair reveiw : Nuka world is crap. I dind't enjoy it
unfair reveiw : FUUUUUUCKKKK YOOUOOOUUU YOU FFUUUCKKKS MAK EBETTEER GAMMESMMMSMS KILLL YOU ALLLL

Why people don't says its crap and move on i don't know. I was talking to this guy on discor dthe opther day and he was defending bethesda like they where void from critism thats just so werid and childish. I said to him that even though bethesda is my favourate game studio they still desvre critism no one above that
 
SarcasticGoodGuy said:
Wish I was.
People on F4 Reddit were circlejerking to this crap.
"bethesda finally got a boss battle right"
"next time people say the bitcher is better I'll show them this"
"the guys that are slowly clapping are my favs"
Just a couple of cherry picked ones^
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Link, pl0x?
 
Mr Fish said:
Link, pl0x?
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It'll take a while sifting through the cesspool, but I'll find them

EDIT: I got them from the Nuka World megathread (pre-release version), after the Nuka World stream. cba finding the exact ones, but if you want a good laugh just read a couple of the comments.
 
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SarcasticGoodGuy said:
Honestly I feel bad for the guys at Hello Games. I know they lied but they were just an indie studio that should've stayed independent and should've charged $20, but instead they got way too much exposure.

I don't feel anything for Pete "realism" Hines.
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I don't care how much hype they got caught up in, if something is spinning out of control then you take measures to calm it down. You don't succumb to it yourself and let it blow out or proportion. They knew what they were doing and they kept doing it. Indie developer, big developer, first game, several games down the line; Irrelevant. They dun gon fucked up and I'm giddy about the backlash they're receiving.

Chud said:
There's more to the boss fight than just beating him with a squirt gun: The Overboss wears a special power armor charged with energy that prevents him from taking damage.
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That brings up some questions though... How does "The Overboss" have access to this technology but The Institute, Shi, BOS and Enclave doesn't? And how could one possibly become invincible to 'anything', even a fatman? Even Optimus Prime that was supposed to be nearly undefeatable got blown up by some missiles.
 
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