On the third day of Fallout...we're done!

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GameBanshee finishes its Fallout feature fairly quietly, having supplied us with interesting interviews though sadly not with any vital Fallout devs or masterminds, they're rounding it up by finished their history of Fallout and launching a "massive Fallout equipment database" which, with NMA's database still broken thanks to our server and FalloutVault's database not being easy to view thanks to wiki technology, is probably the best Fallout item database currently available. The history of Fallout is fairly simple, but accurate, being one of the few tales of Tactics on the net that gives a normal description of the fan reaction to Tactics rather than accusing us of being slavering maniacs:<blockquote>When the game was released, fan reactions weren't all that favorable. The track record set by the two previous installments garnered very high expectations, and most gamers were expecting a third game in the series rather than a standalone hybrid. Nevertheless, the game received fairly high review scores, and it did offer another chance for fans of the series to return to the wasteland while they awaited Fallout 3. As it turns out, the wait was much longer than expected.</blockquote>Link: History of Fallout part 2 on GameBanshee
Link: Fallout equipment database on GameBanshee
 
Amazing that they still live in their own reality.

Now, as someone who helped run V13, NMA, and DAC, and who was on the Interplay forums for quite a long time, spoken with more people of all of the development teams than these folks could care to Mobygames, I can certainly debunk this load of shit. Well, Gamebanshee hasn't been doing too well when it comes to being informed. This latest bit has been a little bit of a yawn from people who post a history as if it means they know what they are talking about.

When the game was released, fan reactions weren't all that favorable.

Because it was being billed as like JA2 but set in the Fallout universe, when it wasn't even close to either point. "Were't all that favorable" is putting it mildly, kind of like saying "Gamebanshee only kisses a little ass".

The track record set by the two previous installments garnered very high expectations, and most gamers were expecting a third game in the series rather than a standalone hybrid.

Lies. This wasn't the reason why the game failed. Most got over the fact "IT WSUS KNOTT MEANT OT B R RPG!!!!", as some moron would attempt to illuminate us with for months after realease, long before the game hit gold. It wasn't much of a problem shortly after the announcement, as many of us happen to LIKE Jagged Alliance 2, and it was made by a different developer. Spin-offs do happen, but only do well when they are treated right. Heroes of Might and Magic, as tabletop RPGs and old Might and Magic gameplay are both like board games, therefore Heroes of Might and Magic was a logical style conversion that gave almost the same gameplay but in a computer board game. One of the best, ever. Fallout and Jagged Alliance 2 shared many aspects, complimented each other where the other was a bit lacking, and I still maintain that the two could be combined for one of the best hybrid games ever, with the superior strengths of both, and excel brilliantly in design. If only it was treated right, which it wasn't, not from the start.

Then it was said by Interplay lackeys that if we bought the spin-off, that it would help Fallout 3 be made (and repeated the lie for F:POS, so I'm surprised that Gamebanshee didn't reprint them into the preview), as supposedly Fallout 3 was in closed doors development then, so it wasn't that bad of a gripe. Instead, FOT2 was greenlighted for a bit because of the interest in FOT, having the highest number of pre-orders in Interplay online store history...until people actually played FOT. Then both FOT2 and Fo3 were canned.

However, FOT was neither in the Fallout universe nor was it anywhere close to Jagged Alliance 2 - a fact made obvious when I asked about the world map and they had to go back and put it in to give the game a bit more non-linearity and random encounters, since it was originally just going to be a series of maps with a bunker interlude. A couple of phone calls by yours truly, and all the FOT apologists and fanboys can kiss my ass for getting the game to the state where it is now. Yes, you CAN nudge developers, if you have a spine to give them a nudge, and the knowledge to point out the facts in ways they can't argue out of. It still isn't a wholly good game, but at least it isn't total crap.

Yes, you can get more flies with honey than vinegar, but again I'm not trying to attract flies, nor could I really compete with just honey when the developers get the honey-laced rimjob from media whores like Gamebanshee. Vinegar might also stop the whores from licking.

Amazing that Gamebanshee would still try this bullshit after having been caught slobbering over Interplay's PR knob for F:POS. I then send Jon a rather thorough re-education. The funniest thing after that was when they started whining to Telefragged and I had to further point out where their editors were all collectively a bit..."special". Not as special as Special Ed Lewis.

They're still media whores.

Nevertheless, the game received fairly high review scores,

All written before the rest of the flaws with the game (aside from the ones myself and others pointed out), and the numerous technical issues, were brought to light; thus making a big stir that the game was nowhere near the quality the reviews mention, and the technical issues also killed off much interest.

and it did offer another chance for fans of the series to return to the wasteland while they awaited Fallout 3.

I love how they note "the wasteland" instead of "Fallout universe", as it should have been. Great way to deny your earlier verbal fellatio of Chuck, folks, and your woeful ignorance of the Fallout universe and lies to defend them.

As it turns out, the wait was much longer than expected.

And Gamebanshee has been in denial ever since...oh, wait!

Look, here's Bethesda...time for ass-licking!
 
Roshambo said:
Amazing that Gamebanshee would still try this bullshit after having been caught slobbering over Interplay's PR knob for F:POS. I then send Jon a rather thorough re-education. The funniest thing after that was when they started whining to Telefragged and I had to further point out where their editors were all collectively a bit..."special".

From there:
Saint Proverbius said:
From: proverbius@rpgcodex.com
To: "Jon Burnedbum" <jon>, "Odin" <Odin>
Subject: Re: Some Serious Negativity...
Date sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 07:10:29 -0500

> Alright, I hate to say something to another gaming site, but I think things have gone too far. As
> posted on the NMA-Fallout website:
>
> Come on, seriously. Over the past couple of hours, we?ve come under attack by a force of
> Fallout ?fans? inspired by this ridiculous newsbit. Ass licking? Shithead? I?ve always been a
> huge Fallout fan and totally understand the bitterness that Interplay has closed BIS and shelved
> Fallout 3. In fact, we?re working on Fallout 1 and 2 sites on GameBanshee as a sort of ?tribute?
> to the fantastic pieces of work that they were.
However, our editors have their own views, and a
> preview is just that ? a preview. If Brotherhood of Steel turns out to be a piece of garbage, it?ll
> get what?s coming for it. There?s absolutely no reason to be slinging mud at us and calling
> names because we dish up an article that you don?t care for.

Don't be such a whiny bitch, Jon. Now get out there and lick some more ass, shithead. Very Happy


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So it took them over two and a half years to finish this history? Jesus, that's a long time.

Might I also note that smartquotes is one of the worst features to be implemented?
 
Sander said:
So it took them over two and a half years to finish this history? Jesus, that's a long time.

As I've said before, the Gamebanshee editorial staff isn't keen on using a search engine, or looking up info in the right locations; so they first make whatever shit up that they want to, then when someone corrects them and points out the facts, they then data mine all links given and post up history articles to pretend that yes, they really did know what the fuck they were talking about and that the article was that way from the start. Yes, it was, of course.

:D
 
Seems the Gamebanshee guys still remember Rosh, they erased all the links to NMA on a few replies i posted on their FO2 forum


Edit: Funny:
Dear Briosafreak,

You have received an infraction at GameBanshee Forums.

http://www.gamebanshee.com/forums/showthread.php?p=887778

Reason:
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Minor Infraction

Greetings.

While we don't discourage links when answering questions other people post, we do have a strict rule regarding advertisment.

Your recent posting in the Fallout 2 section more then a little resembles advertisment for the No Mutans Allowed website and forum, thus falls under our advertisment rule and therefore you recive an infraction.

Be aware that infractions can and will influence on your posting priviliges if you do not abide to our forum rules.

I'm going to edit out a number of your links as they appear to be nothing more then pure advertisment.

With regards
Xandax

My reply:
Briosafreak said:
Don't be silly, if you had bothered to check the links you would see that they were going to the apropriate topics that could help those guys. Why would we want to be advertised on your fora? You guys are the oposite of everything NMA stands for, we don't want your forum members, i was just trying to help a few while reading the forum after i saw the Fallout series on the main page.

Bah why bother
 
Yes yes yes ... try to connect my actions with some random disagreement between somebody several years ago. :roll:
I'm sure you can find other dissagreements you can try to pin that on. As if people don't have better things to do then walking around thinking about who somebody disagreed with years ago......
 
Ok i believe you, it had nothing to do with the past. But why saying i'm spamming the place? I just placed links to help the guys that had problems, since this site has a nine year history (at least, since i don't know when Miroslav's page was up) we should have suficient info to help them, we have been doing tech help that should have been done by Interplay for years now, and together with DAC's Fallout wiki we pretty much cover everything from the series, so again what got into you to acuse me of spamming?

Greetings.

I've deleted your posts refering to the advertisment infraction you have gained.

Regardless of whether you think them advertsiments or not you can discuss this topic with me or site owner Buck Satan via the PM.

With regards
Xandax

I'll discuss it here, then, and refrain to post there. Now will you say why in hell did you missed checking the links that clearly were not advertisement, but suggestions to help resolve the precise problems that were beeing questioned? Why did you jumped the gun like that?
 
I will be happy to discuss it with you, but I see no reason to derail this thread into such a discussion, out of respect for this forum and because it really doesn't belong in this thread, so you can send me a PM either here or on GameBanshee if you so desire.

The only reason I posted in this thread was because your explicit linking of my actions to some year old events I never even knew off until I read these newscomments and because of your attributing "GameBanshee" with some "twisted" set of opinions as if people from there can't be Fallout fans.
 
I didn't atribute anything, read again please. You've yet misrepresented what i was doing. But yeah, better to move to PMs, i'll wait for yours then, i still don't get why you did what you did, particularly to someone that made public the Van Buren screenshot on the right side of the three part Fallout series feature you have and has yet to ask credit to NMA for it, credit that is long due by the way.

I'll wait then.

Edit: Saw your reply. The idea that posting links to another place ALWAYS means an advertisement policy is ludicrous. I was trying to help, geez. Next time i'll quote gamebanshee stuff without any link or credit, since that could be considered spam...

juvinile steortypes to yourself

Dude i'm 35 and have two kids, you are the one that needs to grow up.
 
Now only if their forum staff could bother to figure out what's going on before posting garbage. But hey, you can't even expect that of the editors or the top ass-licker at GameBanshee, so we'll make a special exception in your case, Xander. For now.

The only reason I posted in this thread was because your explicit linking of my actions to some year old events I never even knew off until I read these newscomments and because of your attributing "GameBanshee" with some "twisted" set of opinions as if people from there can't be Fallout fans.

No, it's because your editors are whiny fucktards who had to be corrected at length when they publicly sucked Chuck Cuevas off for their F:POS preview, didn't see anything bad in wearing kneepads full-time for a few similar occasions, and you similarly have your head firmly lodged up someone else's ass. Said preview is now edited, though we still have links to the original pieces, including the questionable idiocy found in aforementioned preview.

That they had to make that shit up kind of proves that they weren't Fallout fans, but instead cheaply cashing in on the name like Chuck, but as media whores instead of as people who had anything relevant to say about the series. Their ignorance proved this in leagues, and that they printed it for the ignorant cattle that comprises their readership in mind. What a wonderful way to keep your readership informed, when they are that wholly ignorant of what Fallout stood for when it was released and then try the "modern" argument in regards to game design details. Then the cattle like GameBanshee started licking the ass of everyone who copied the formula of Diablo, settling for the Lowest Common Denominator because that gets the largest crowd, resulting in people not caring that the title which stood for good CRPG P&P gameplay when the industry was again full of action-based games coined "CRPG", is turned into exactly what it was designed contrary to. Your moronic editors might actually have noted that...if they were around then and simply were not pretending to reinvent history for their own sake. Or if they weren't busy licking ass to attract the Lowest Common Denominator. Again.

So GameBanshee doesn't just lick ass, it encourages its readers to be ignorant to the point of joining it in the mindless ass-licking.

Regardless of whether you think them advertsiments or not you can discuss this topic with me or site owner Buck Satan via the PM.

The last time anyone did that about GameBanshee idiocy, and not even on GameBanshee, Dumbfuck Buck decided to go whining to our hosts that we weren't being nice and fair and refused to swallow every bit of the PR kit they reposted for content, and the rest of the shit they made up from out of their own ass as the other half of said content.

So, take your "spamming" elsewhere, Xander, or I'll arrange our own welcome for it - since you don't see any reason for the oldest and largest resource on Fallout, in particular the longest-running technical support and home to several unofficial patches, to be listed as a resource for people to use. So you prefer that your readership sits in the same befuddled confusion that your editors do, likely under the same 20-watt dimness that illuminates your own reality, and feel that technical resources that might be of some help are "advertising". That is GameBanshee's problem, not ours, but we'll sit back and have a laugh about it.

You really are a shitty moderator...and pretty fucking stupid. About on par with TechWiz.

Briosafreak said:
particularly to someone that made public the Van Buren screenshot on the right side of the three part Fallout series feature you have and has yet to ask credit to NMA for it, credit that is long due by the way.

I'll wait then.

You'll be waiting a long time, then. Something that you forget, all of the mass media whore sites, which GameBanshee apparently looks to "growing up to be IGN(orance) someday", don't see any reason to credit their sources or do anything else but slobber over developer/publisher knob like mindless cattle, while inventing whatever reality into print as they see fit.

Which they are still doing, if their fabricated backgrounds around FOT and F:POS are any indication.

Keep on licking ass, GameBanshee, keep on licking.
 
I love how every time Rosh makes a post he amounts to "a force of Fallout fans". As if people on other forums have to imagine that it really is a boatload of people ganging up on them to make it bearable.
 
That's because Rosh isn't really a person, but the collective bile of the entire Fallout community. Simply put, ire and resentment of individual Fallout fans were so intense that they materialized as amorphous blobs of slimy, foul-smelling goo. All blobs merged into one giant super-blob that became sentient, concocted a fake identity and began posting its vitriolic rants on Fallout fansites.
 
*claps*

Rosh everytime you post your comments it is pure gold.

P.S
if you die can I have your brain.
 
Ratty said:
That's because Rosh isn't really a person, but the collective bile of the entire Fallout community. Simply put, ire and resentment of individual Fallout fans were so intense that they materialized as amorphous blobs of slimy, foul-smelling goo. All blobs merged into one giant super-blob that became sentient, concocted a fake identity and began posting its vitriolic rants on Fallout fansites.

you could've just said:

our
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