political test leanings?

[TheHobbler]

If you have extreme values then you're going to get criticized about it. Get over it.

I haven't been criticized. I can't claim something that hasn't happened. I just keep being told that "my views" show my

disregard for how complicated the real world actually is.

Which isn't a criticism, just an insult.

I am literally telling people to actually say what they mean. Because having "extreme values" doesn't mean you have less life experience.

 

[Dragula]

If you have extreme values then you're going to get criticized about it. Get over it.

I had an extreme value. Where is my critique?!

 

[Deleted member 53669]

I haven't been criticized. I can't claim something that hasn't happened. I just keep being told that "my views" show my

Which isn't a criticism, just an insult.

I am literally telling people to actually say what they mean. Because having "extreme values" doesn't mean you have less life experience.

Wearing yourself on your sleeve, typical.

 

[TheHobbler]

Wearing yourself on your sleeve, typical.

What are you talking about? You haven't said anything. Typical of who/what? This is such an empty response, you would have been better off not posting.

If your critique is assuming I have limited life experiences then you aren't saying anything. Say something of substance.

Edit: And in case you missed it, how about actually posting your political test result? It'd be more interesting that what you've had to say so far.

 

[Deleted member 53669]

What are you talking about? You haven't said anything. Typical of who/what? This is such an empty response, you would have been better off not posting.

If your critique is assuming I have limited life experiences then you aren't saying anything. Say something of substance.

Edit: And in case you missed it, how about actually posting your political test result? It'd be more interesting that what you've had to say so far.

lol, so typical.

Spoiler

I already posted my test results

 

[TheHobbler]

I can already tell you after taking this crap before.

Left-leaning Libertarian.

Communists have taken over left-libertarians and change the goalpost constantly against property rights.

I'm a constitutionalist.

10 years later I won't have changed and I'll be considered or labeled something else.


Whatever the case, I piss off any form of collectivism that isn't rooted in personal consensus so I'm used to getting pissed on by morons.


The rest of you are pussies probably.

This is not posting your results, but yokie doke. It also demonstrates a dramatic misunderstanding of political terminology, and seem to just use terminology that sounds nice. Considering I am literally a left-libertarian, and internationally all libertarians are left.

You're a constitutionalist? Then in what way could you be a Libertarian, left or right? And the idea that labels change willy-nilly is demonstrably false. Sure, if you cloister yourself in the American political sphere, but I assume you have a wee-bit more life experience than that.

Do you mean to say that you piss off fascists when you say that you "piss off any form of collectivism that isn't rooted in personal consensus," or that you dislike "any form of collectivism that isn't rooted in personal consensus?" If the latter, we agree on that point. In which case you have been accusing yourself of having limited life experience.

I'm applying critical thinking to my posts. I'm asking you do the same. If you don't feel like doing so, why bother posting? It makes you look bad. Can't wait for your "typical" response.

Edit, because I keep missing things: You also failed to respond to anything I said. Which just validates my own conclusion.

 

[Dragula]

and internationally all libertarians are left.

What? No.

 

[Deleted member 53669]

What are you talking about? You haven't said anything. Typical of who/what? This is such an empty response, you would have been better off not posting.

If your critique is assuming I have limited life experiences then you aren't saying anything. Say something of substance.

Edit: And in case you missed it, how about actually posting your political test result? It'd be more interesting that what you've had to say so far.

This is not posting your results, but yokie doke. It also demonstrates a dramatic misunderstanding of political terminology, and seem to just use terminology that sounds nice. Considering I am literally a left-libertarian, and internationally all libertarians are left.

You're a constitutionalist? Then in what way could you be a Libertarian, left or right? And the idea that labels change willy-nilly is demonstrably false. Sure, if you cloister yourself in the American political sphere, but I assume you have a wee-bit more life experience than that.

Do you mean to say that you piss off fascists when you say that you "piss off any form of collectivism that isn't rooted in personal consensus," or that you dislike "any form of collectivism that isn't rooted in personal consensus?" If the latter, we agree on that point. In which case you have been accusing yourself of having limited life experience.

I'm applying critical thinking to my posts. I'm asking you do the same. If you don't feel like doing so, why bother posting? It makes you look bad. Can't wait for your "typical" response.

Edit, because I keep missing things: You also failed to respond to anything I said. Which just validates my own conclusion.

Do you like to drink piss?

I assume so because you are a humorless cunt.

If I piss on your open gullet for an extended period of time while you punch yourself in the face and squeeze your balls, do you reach climax?

Spoiler

I subscribed to the Venus Project FYI, it's very far left. Have you realized I'm fucking with you yet? I hope so or your not gonna get along here

 

[TheHobbler]

What? No.

Libertarian is inherently left.

And Dopamine is asking if I like to drink piss.

Guys, I did not want, nor start, this thing. I just posted my results in a fun thread about posting results. I noted my own shift because I found that personally interesting. Just because I have values you don't like doesn't mean you should just start baseless insults. It's immature. I will respond because, hey, it's kinda fun for me to have actual conversations. It's why I joined the forum. I also don't take kindly to baseless insults, but I'm not about to breakdown because of it.

So, if you don't like my values, say that. Dopamine, for a guy calling everyone else a pussy you are the biggest one here.

Edit for Dragula: Edits seem to be my thing. This is pulled from Wikipedia sources. It was written in 2012, the free-market ideology is the predominantly American version of Libertarianism.

"The Rise of Social Anarchism". In Gaus, Gerald F.; D'Agostino, Fred, eds. (2012). The Routledge Companion to Social and Political Philosophy. p. 223. "In the meantime, anarchist theories of a more communist or collectivist character had been developing as well. One important pioneer is French anarcho-communists Joseph Déjacque (1821–1864), who [...] appears to have been the first thinker to adopt the term "libertarian" for this position; hence "libertarianism" initially denoted a communist rather than a free-market ideology."

 

[Dragula]

Libertarian is inherently left.

In economical terms it is very right. Laissez-faire capitalism and all that crap. You see that in all libertarian parties in Europe. They are considered right-wing.

 

[TheHouseAlwaysWins]

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Alright so i have a couple of questions

1: So why are you against using the government?

2: In the upcoming democratic primary, are you going to go for bernie or blue no matter who for the primary?

 

[TheHouseAlwaysWins]

In economical terms it is very right. Laissez-faire capitalism and all that crap. You see that in all libertarian parties in Europe. They are considered right-wing.

There is a libertarian left against private property but all forms of libertarian and anarchist ideology across the left and right is idealist nonsense. If you don't have a state you can not actually protect your project.

A lot of people who get into it want it to be their new liberalism and don't really have an ethos. Today's anarchists are tomorrow's liberals.

 

[Dragula]

There is a libertarian left against private property but all forms of libertarian and anarchist ideology across the left and right is idealist nonsense. If you don't have a state you can not actually protect your project.

Of course there are left-wing anarchists, that does not make libertarianism an inherently leftist ideology though.

 

[Deleted member 53669]

You

Libertarian is inherently left.

And Dopamine is asking if I like to drink piss.

Guys, I did not want, nor start, this thing. I just posted my results in a fun thread about posting results. I noted my own shift because I found that personally interesting. Just because I have values you don't like doesn't mean you should just start baseless insults. It's immature. I will respond because, hey, it's kinda fun for me to have actual conversations. It's why I joined the forum. I also don't take kindly to baseless insults, but I'm not about to breakdown because of it.

So, if you don't like my values, say that. Dopamine, for a guy calling everyone else a pussy you are the biggest one here.

Edit for Dragula: Edits seem to be my thing. This is pulled from Wikipedia sources. It was written in 2012, the free-market ideology is the predominantly American version of Libertarianism.

"The Rise of Social Anarchism". In Gaus, Gerald F.; D'Agostino, Fred, eds. (2012). The Routledge Companion to Social and Political Philosophy. p. 223. "In the meantime, anarchist theories of a more communist or collectivist character had been developing as well. One important pioneer is French anarcho-communists Joseph Déjacque (1821–1864), who [...] appears to have been the first thinker to adopt the term "libertarian" for this position; hence "libertarianism" initially denoted a communist rather than a free-market ideology."

You're right. I'm angry and I'm taking it out on you. I'll let other people pick apart your biases in a friendly conversation. Yet since I'm a broken emotional wreck I'll go ahead and just take it out on you out of my base snap=quick intuitive judgement.






you're a big baby. waa waaa look at you, you big baby. * Boomer glasses * Now it's my turn to become powerful and emotionally abuse and manipulate everyone to suck my peepee.

Good luck kid

*Votes Bernie Sanders*

 

[TheHobbler]

In economical terms it is very right. Laissez-faire capitalism and all that crap. You see that in all libertarian parties in Europe. They are considered right-wing.

It has been subverted from its original meaning, but that doesn't mean I should allow it to persist in that way. Though, begrudingly, you're right.

Alright so i have a couple of questions
1: So why are you against using the government?

2: In the upcoming democratic primary, are you going to go for bernie or blue no matter who for the primary?

If you are asking me, which seems like a safe assumption, I can provide some short answers. But this isn't the "Hobbes Thread."

1. Because government is inherently oppressive and hierarchical. Though I'm not strictly against all "forms" of government. A network of direct democracy local councils would be ideal. Though I'm also not saying that we should immediately abolish everything. I'm not an idiot. I work towards an end goal, knowing that it very well may not happen in my lifetime.

2. Bernie in the primary, if he doesn't win I'll still vote blue. It's a move in the right (left, lol) direction at least.

A lot of people who get into it want it to be their new liberalism and don't really have an ethos. Today's anarchists are tomorrow's liberals.

A common sentiment, but there are enough exceptions that I wouldn't say it. Especially because expecting anarchists to try to enact their ideals in the current world is silly. However, working within the system to further that agenda isn't.

You
You're right. I'm angry and I'm taking it out on you. I'll let other people pick apart your biases in a friendly conversation. Yet since I'm a broken emotional wreck I'll go ahead and just take it out on you out of my base snap=quick intuitive judgement.

you're a big baby. waa waaa look at you, you big baby. * Boomer glasses * Now it's my turn to become powerful and emotionally abuse and manipulate everyone to suck my peepee.

Good luck kid

*Votes Bernie Sanders*

I'm not sure why this thread has to devolve into people "picking apart my biases." The rest of your post leaves me at something of a loss. Is this how you enjoy presenting yourself? Are you trying to drive me off the forum or something? I'll be honest, it's kinda working. I legitimately just wanted a nice place to discuss Fallout and talk to people. I posted my political test results in a new thread about political test results, and all I get is grief. I'm not attacking anyone else's values or results. This is just so childish, when I had hoped to escape the stupid childishness of other sites.

 

[TheHouseAlwaysWins]

Libertarian is inherently left.


If you are asking me, which seems like a safe assumption, I can provide some short answers. But this isn't the "Hobbes Thread."

1. Because government is inherently oppressive and hierarchical. Though I'm not strictly against all "forms" of government. A network of direct democracy local councils would be ideal. Though I'm also not saying that we should immediately abolish everything. I'm not an idiot. I work towards an end goal, knowing that it very well may not happen in my lifetime.

2. Bernie in the primary, if he doesn't win I'll still vote blue. It's a move in the right (left, lol) direction at least.

1: You live in a globe that is filled to the brim with nations that all hate each other and want to go to war with each other for resources. A set of anarchist communes can't survive longterm against outside reactionary nations because it doesn't have a central state to train and organize soldiers, alongside keeping the country up to date in technology. Imagine if the USSR went the anarchist route. the slavs would not exist.

2: The democrat party is not on the side of the left at all. It's not "harm reduction" It's neoliberalism with a human face to it. The republicans alongside the democrats are the same party to each other.

A common sentiment, but there are enough exceptions that I wouldn't say it. Especially because expecting anarchists to try to enact their ideals in the current world is silly. However, working within the system to further that agenda isn't.

A lot of anarchists in the past few decades become assimilated into liberal culture.



I am not trying to argue with you but I am trying to get you to expand your leftist politics.

 

[Deleted member 53669]

It has been subverted from its original meaning, but that doesn't mean I should allow it to persist in that way. Though, begrudingly, you're right.


If you are asking me, which seems like a safe assumption, I can provide some short answers. But this isn't the "Hobbes Thread."

1. Because government is inherently oppressive and hierarchical. Though I'm not strictly against all "forms" of government. A network of direct democracy local councils would be ideal. Though I'm also not saying that we should immediately abolish everything. I'm not an idiot. I work towards an end goal, knowing that it very well may not happen in my lifetime.

2. Bernie in the primary, if he doesn't win I'll still vote blue. It's a move in the right (left, lol) direction at least.

A common sentiment, but there are enough exceptions that I wouldn't say it. Especially because expecting anarchists to try to enact their ideals in the current world is silly. However, working within the system to further that agenda isn't.

I'm not sure why this thread has to devolve into people "picking apart my biases." The rest of your post leaves me at something of a loss. Is this how you enjoy presenting yourself? Are you trying to drive me off the forum or something? I'll be honest, it's kinda working. I legitimately just wanted a nice place to discuss Fallout and talk to people. I posted my political test results in a new thread about political test results, and all I get is grief. I'm not attacking anyone else's values or results. This is just so childish, when I had hoped to escape the stupid childishness of other sites.

They all say that. Thats what they all say, then they drink the quaffer.


But since this is freaking you out I guess you're right. I guess this isn't a place for ya.

 

[TheHobbler]

1: You live in a globe that is filled to the brim with nations that all hate each other and want to go to war with each other for resources. A set of anarchist communes can't survive longterm against outside reactionary nations because it doesn't have a central state to train and organize soldiers, alongside keeping the country up to date in technology. Imagine if the USSR went the anarchist route. the slavs would not exist.

2: The democrat party is not on the side of the left at all. It's not "harm reduction" It's neoliberalism with a human face to it. The republicans alongside the democrats are the same party to each other.

1. Yes, that's why I'm not advocating for blindly jumping into anarchist communes. I agree with Marx, that certain material conditions must be met. We agree on this point.

2. I also agree on this point, however with the way the US system works there are only two parties. I'll take a Democrat over Trump. I still support leftist parties, but to do so during a presidential race gets nowhere, realistically. So while supporting any democrat means I'm still supporting a centre-right candidate, it's still further left than the 'alt-right.'

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I've lost trust in your good faith, and will proceed to ignore you. You just keep putting forward responses that lack any content at all. Engaging is a waste of time, and risks validating your hollowness. I'm saying this so you know that I didn't simply miss your post when writing my above reply.

 

[TheHouseAlwaysWins]

2. I also agree on this point, however with the way the US system works there are only two parties. I'll take a Democrat over Trump. I still support leftist parties, but to do so during a presidential race gets nowhere, realistically. So while supporting any democrat means I'm still supporting a centre-right candidate, it's still further left than the 'alt-right.'

The republicans are not altright. After trump they'll go back to being neoliberals because its in their interests. The altright is currently irrelevant.

 

[Deleted member 53669]

1. Yes, that's why I'm not advocating for blindly jumping into anarchist communes. I agree with Marx, that certain material conditions must be met. We agree on this point.

2. I also agree on this point, however with the way the US system works there are only two parties. I'll take a Democrat over Trump. I still support leftist parties, but to do so during a presidential race gets nowhere, realistically. So while supporting any democrat means I'm still supporting a centre-right candidate, it's still further left than the 'alt-right.'

I've lost trust in your good faith, and will proceed to ignore you. You just keep putting forward responses that lack any content at all. Engaging is a waste of time, and risks validating your hollowness. I'm saying this so you know that I didn't simply miss your post when writing my above reply.

This guy is a total narcissistic scumbag. He not only can't take criticism, he feels justified in his own bullshit the more criticism he takes.