Rocks don't get viruses either.
As for no one answering questions etc., posting specs might help.
As for no one answering questions etc., posting specs might help.
Problem with Fallout on Imac
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King of Creation said:
the right link is http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2004-07-03 btw
Although I am saddened by the news that you can't play Fallout anymore, I however must reply to your virus issue with macs. If it's a computer it can get a virus, period. There aren't many out there for one reason. Nobody worth their salt uses a mac, therefore, no programmers, no viruses. Those that can, and also hate macs, still wouldn't be caught dead using one.IvanJarvis said:
Seriously?jona0 said:
No really, you can't use a PC?
AND you're a modder?
If you can explain to me how you can write code/script events, yet not be able to install a program in windows (even though they install themselves) I would be grateful.
/edit: I just noticed, everybody here defending macs, just can't quite figure out how to structure a sentence. Among other punctuation problems...
... Just saying.
Buy a cheap PC. You can probably get a cheap PC that can run Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 and reasonable speeds for less than $300 now days. The slower it is, the more encounters you will have. 
After you are done playing with it, install Linux or netBSD and setup it to be your custom firewall to protect your Mac from the few trojans that exist out there in the Internet.
After you are done playing with it, install Linux or netBSD and setup it to be your custom firewall to protect your Mac from the few trojans that exist out there in the Internet.
King of Creation
Vault Fossil
SuAside said:
yeah, my bad
thanks
While I am a pc user, I cannot concur with the "Mac sucks" oppinion shared mostly by WINDOWS users in this thread.
MacOS is certainly not the best OS there is, but Windows is even farther from that. The sole difference is that you can use a DIFFERENT OS (DOS) to recover things if Windows goes mad. You can't do that with a Mac, unless you switch to Linux (which I wouldn't recommend because the Apple PowerPC system is really pretty much only intended to be used for Macintosh systems).
MacOS X is based on Unix, like Linux. That's an improvement because now you even have a console. I prefer the "real thing", so instead of going half the way and use MacOS X on a PPC, I use Linux on a PC.
For games, Windows is the only way to go (unless you have the time to fiddle around with WINE and WineX -- which runs Fallout 1 and 2 perfectly, from what I've heard) because all developers primarily aim for Windows unless they aim for the freaking CONSOLE market first (which is the "in" way to do it at the moment, as it seems -- Interplay and Blizzard did it too).
The benefit of using a Mac is that it's all one box. You know that you don't have to worry about drivers or hardware (unless you are really into it and buy all these USB external devices) and thus you know that whatever goes wrong is not your fault, which is true for Windows systems too, but there you are usually not only the sole person to take the blame, but you also never know for sure.
If it's broken, send it in. If you want to improve it, buy a new one. Simple, although not exactly cheap.
Linux is not a destkop system tho. It's not meant to be. If you want one and don't want to rely on Windows or Macintosh OS, buy a copy of BeOS or Zeta, which is based on BeOS. It's reliable, Unix based and easy to use. However don't expect it to run every (any?) Windows application, it might work with Linux stuff, but definitely not Windows.
Windows systems are not the best systems out there, but they do their job ... unless you're cursed with bad luck like me anyway (I've replaced the RAM and CPU and now I think it's running less or more stable, but I'm still not sure why it began crashing in the first place -- or how to fix it).
Linux systems are more decent, but still not anywhere close to the user friendliness of their commercial competitors (not talking about the commercial-ish Linux distros here).
MacOS does its job, which is being good for graphical stuff, but not much more. It's a decent multimedia system, but not the best of its kind.
BeOS and Zeta seem to be great alternatives to MacOS if you don't want a system-in-a-box type of computer and yet don't like to have to learn how your pc does magic. I don't think I'd have much fun with it if it's got the same overwhelming user==idiot expectation Windows and MacOS have.
MacOS is certainly not the best OS there is, but Windows is even farther from that. The sole difference is that you can use a DIFFERENT OS (DOS) to recover things if Windows goes mad. You can't do that with a Mac, unless you switch to Linux (which I wouldn't recommend because the Apple PowerPC system is really pretty much only intended to be used for Macintosh systems).
MacOS X is based on Unix, like Linux. That's an improvement because now you even have a console. I prefer the "real thing", so instead of going half the way and use MacOS X on a PPC, I use Linux on a PC.
For games, Windows is the only way to go (unless you have the time to fiddle around with WINE and WineX -- which runs Fallout 1 and 2 perfectly, from what I've heard) because all developers primarily aim for Windows unless they aim for the freaking CONSOLE market first (which is the "in" way to do it at the moment, as it seems -- Interplay and Blizzard did it too).
The benefit of using a Mac is that it's all one box. You know that you don't have to worry about drivers or hardware (unless you are really into it and buy all these USB external devices) and thus you know that whatever goes wrong is not your fault, which is true for Windows systems too, but there you are usually not only the sole person to take the blame, but you also never know for sure.
If it's broken, send it in. If you want to improve it, buy a new one. Simple, although not exactly cheap.
Linux is not a destkop system tho. It's not meant to be. If you want one and don't want to rely on Windows or Macintosh OS, buy a copy of BeOS or Zeta, which is based on BeOS. It's reliable, Unix based and easy to use. However don't expect it to run every (any?) Windows application, it might work with Linux stuff, but definitely not Windows.
Windows systems are not the best systems out there, but they do their job ... unless you're cursed with bad luck like me anyway (I've replaced the RAM and CPU and now I think it's running less or more stable, but I'm still not sure why it began crashing in the first place -- or how to fix it).
Linux systems are more decent, but still not anywhere close to the user friendliness of their commercial competitors (not talking about the commercial-ish Linux distros here).
MacOS does its job, which is being good for graphical stuff, but not much more. It's a decent multimedia system, but not the best of its kind.
BeOS and Zeta seem to be great alternatives to MacOS if you don't want a system-in-a-box type of computer and yet don't like to have to learn how your pc does magic. I don't think I'd have much fun with it if it's got the same overwhelming user==idiot expectation Windows and MacOS have.
Dove said:
that aint actually true, the first really dangerous trojans for macs have surfaced about a month ago i believe. which was followed by a shitload of other virusses.
someone in the viruscommunity must have dared his friends into doing such shit, because who in his right mind would wanna hack a mac anyway.
as for the "macs rule"-thingy: i'm a gamer and a hardwarefreak, therefor macs suck (and no i aint going to run a thousand emulators that suck donkeyballs and never work...)
Hi again!
>No really, you can't use a PC?
>AND you're a modder?
>If you can explain to me how you can write code/script events, >yet not be able to install a program in windows (even though >they install themselves) I would be grateful.
Installing is not the problem, but to get it running ;-(
Oh well, I USE a Windows-PC - but never more than I must....
In case of FO that is:
- .MSG .TXT files (including Worldmap.txt) = Texteditor (Mac)
- XP for critters = Hexeditor (Mac)
- Critters = FUCK (well one of the few(!) tools that really work!)
- Items = FIME (another one that worked - very strange)
- maps = MAPPER (but it always(!) crashes my PC on leaving (so I have to end it via ctrl-alt-del - arghhh!) - is that normal ?
- .dat = DATEXPLORER (well it works - but only after a few tries ;-( )
- testing = Mac again, because this dam*** PC-FO2 wont work (most of the time) ;-((( - but I wish it would....(again I am too stupid ???)
So you see, I "use" my PC, but I can neither play the game nor test the mods on it..... thats where the "usage" stops - pity....
By now I simply prefer a hexeditor - where it is possible...
And that is only ONE example!
And it seems that no one can (or wants to?) help me and tell me why....(Yes I HAVE patched the Fallout2 exe!!!)
Well I (try to) use W98 on an AMD 1.2 GHZ with 512MB RAM and a 40 GB HD - need something else?
>The slower it is, the more encounters you will have
Well, it seesm I have another advantage on my Mac: I have lots of encounters( except the KAGA ones ;-(( ), and its a fast Mac!
Seems, the Mac-Version is not that bad, as everybody thinks....
Greetings
Jona
>No really, you can't use a PC?
>AND you're a modder?
>If you can explain to me how you can write code/script events, >yet not be able to install a program in windows (even though >they install themselves) I would be grateful.
Installing is not the problem, but to get it running ;-(
Oh well, I USE a Windows-PC - but never more than I must....
In case of FO that is:
- .MSG .TXT files (including Worldmap.txt) = Texteditor (Mac)
- XP for critters = Hexeditor (Mac)
- Critters = FUCK (well one of the few(!) tools that really work!)
- Items = FIME (another one that worked - very strange)
- maps = MAPPER (but it always(!) crashes my PC on leaving (so I have to end it via ctrl-alt-del - arghhh!) - is that normal ?
- .dat = DATEXPLORER (well it works - but only after a few tries ;-( )
- testing = Mac again, because this dam*** PC-FO2 wont work (most of the time) ;-((( - but I wish it would....(again I am too stupid ???)
So you see, I "use" my PC, but I can neither play the game nor test the mods on it..... thats where the "usage" stops - pity....
By now I simply prefer a hexeditor - where it is possible...
And that is only ONE example!
And it seems that no one can (or wants to?) help me and tell me why....(Yes I HAVE patched the Fallout2 exe!!!)
Well I (try to) use W98 on an AMD 1.2 GHZ with 512MB RAM and a 40 GB HD - need something else?
>The slower it is, the more encounters you will have
Well, it seesm I have another advantage on my Mac: I have lots of encounters( except the KAGA ones ;-(( ), and its a fast Mac!
Seems, the Mac-Version is not that bad, as everybody thinks....
Greetings
Jona
jona0 said:
Unlike a Mac PPC, an "IBM" PC is not manufactured by a single company and therefore the drivers/hardware and OS are all produced by different people who don't have any relation to each other whatsoever.
If you got problems with software you don't know whether it's the software, the OS or one of the dozens of hardware components.
That's why it's good to have a tech support company (a minor computer store at best) around if you're not fluent in these issues.
I don't think this is the place for OS religious wars anyway. But I agree that Windows is the best OS for gamers while BeOS/Zeta is probably the best OS for people who want to get a job done but don't want to have to know why or how it's done and MacOS is probably the best OS for multimedia work because the hardware is especially developed for that purpose and Linux is the most secure and modifiable platform, thus best for programmers, code wranglers and geeks.
I think the problem is caused by your OS. Prior to MacOS X the system only had a GUI (i.e. no console), MacOS X was rewritten from scratch and thus tends to be more compatible with Linux, BeOS or Unix than with MacOS 9 and earlier. It is likely that Fallout is not capable of running on MacOS X and higher.
A similar problem is caused by Windows' development in the opposite direction (from command line to GUI-only). Win98 was the last system with a true DOS core. WinME was a compromise between Windows NT ("new technology", actually a rip-off of VMS: even the abbreviation WNT (V+1 = W, M+1 = N, S+1 = T) is close to that) and the old technology, WinXP is based on NT and Longhorn is going to be based on an entirely new core, redesigned from scratch and using a relational filesystem (a nightmare for every advanced user, I fear).
Long story short: Migrating from MacOS 9 to MacOS X or Win98 to WinXP is like migrating to an entirely different OS: half the stuff you own doesn't work anymore, the other half requires an emulator (or a non-emulator ala WINE (acronym for "WINE Is Not An Emulator")).
Yes. Either Windows XP or a real OS because Windows 98 has a RAM cap which stops it from using more than... 256 or so MB RAM.
The only benefit of using 512 instead of 256 for me was that my pc doesn't randomly lock up anymore, but therefore still suffers from the same leakage as before (which is: once I've had K-Lite++ or eMule running for half a day, my memory is NIL).
I haven't had the KAGA encounters either, actually.
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on a pc.
I think Jona was referring to the problems with the PC Fallout 2. Welcome to Fallout 2 and the insane amount of bugs that Baboon doesn't believe exist.
There's a reason why I still use Win98SE. You can tweak it and get it to run nearly as reliable as anything else if you do know how.
It's funny how some people think that if you buy a computer, it should do everything for you. Video games have instruction booklets because most people use them, and yet people want a machine to just fire up and do everything without the least bit of tweaking. Regardless of OS, you need to know how to tweak it, IF it allows you to. If you don't take care of your car, it puts out black smoke and becomes an expensive paperweight.
YOUR COMPUTER IS NO DIFFERENT.
Macintrash hasn't really offered much user-level maintenance, and I've personally put a .50 cal through a few iMacs, because they ARE worthless.
Macintrash computers are also set in hardware prices and tend to be useless if you want to use that hardware for anything else. Upgrades are a bitch and they are only worth it if you can afford them, and unless you're a graphics artist, there's no point. I can re-use the drive I had Windows XP on for an OpenBSD server instead, even as a slim storage device of 10GB.
Macs are Barrett M82A1 fodder for me and the rest of the guys on the canyon range when they're outdated.
There's a reason why I still use Win98SE. You can tweak it and get it to run nearly as reliable as anything else if you do know how.
It's funny how some people think that if you buy a computer, it should do everything for you. Video games have instruction booklets because most people use them, and yet people want a machine to just fire up and do everything without the least bit of tweaking. Regardless of OS, you need to know how to tweak it, IF it allows you to. If you don't take care of your car, it puts out black smoke and becomes an expensive paperweight.
YOUR COMPUTER IS NO DIFFERENT.
Macintrash hasn't really offered much user-level maintenance, and I've personally put a .50 cal through a few iMacs, because they ARE worthless.
Macintrash computers are also set in hardware prices and tend to be useless if you want to use that hardware for anything else. Upgrades are a bitch and they are only worth it if you can afford them, and unless you're a graphics artist, there's no point. I can re-use the drive I had Windows XP on for an OpenBSD server instead, even as a slim storage device of 10GB.
Macs are Barrett M82A1 fodder for me and the rest of the guys on the canyon range when they're outdated.