Proof to newcomers that NMA doesn't crucify Bethesda fans

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Sergeant Politeness said:
NMA is a lot like 4chan: it's full of assholes and it's not a friendly place, but it's got some of the best original content on the internet.
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Not really related but I found this pretty funny. You can see more on https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/38us5y/no_mutants_allowed_is_the_most_depressing_forum/.

I know, I like to derail threads. It's in my nature.
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Don't worry, it's also a habit of mines.

I can see that even in that thread, down below, there are still people debating over the issues of the Bethesda's works. Good thing that things aren't that cut and dry as they seem to be. I suppose the main problem is that people's attitude is basically a case of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em". Not everyone accepts that Bethesda's interpretations are faithful sequels, but a lot of people have given up the ghost and just "accepted" the situation, and considering Bethesda's games have their own draw, they just took it in for what it is.

It's not an idea with the most foresight (supporting a developer's path that you don't actually support out of tiredness), since it usually leads to the developer going down the drain like with Overkill Software, as a most recent example. But I can see why a lot of people who have a "eh, I don't mind, it's just a game, I miss the old ones but they can do what they want" mindset would act that way. I guess this is one of the few remaining places that doesn't accept the deteriorating industry standards.

:shrug: Just ranting, honestly. I sort of envy the mindset of not having to care about small things, even if that kind of mindset usually leads to ruin. But I'm here, so I'm guessing I'm just not the kind to go with that line of thought...
 
All the posts about people who bash this place without ever reading a damned thing, the low expectationers, the apologists, these are the reasons why this site doesn't need to go mainstream.

We are the old geriatrics of fallout fandom and one of the few sites that still have some sense of standard left in our old bones, tell it like it is so to speak.

There are a plethora of fallout fansites out there that heap praise and criticise nothing. We need not become one of them.


Being openly critical of any game nowadays is considered weird in a world of gaming journalism that kisses ass for the $. Not to mention some of the better discussions I have had here. I'd hate for this place to be invaded by 'murricans', or some other countries version of them.

If elitist means not mindlessly swallowing bullshit, by all means call me that.
 
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DarkCorp said:
All the posts about people who bash this place without ever reading a damned thing, the low expectationers, the apologists, these are the reasons why this site doesn't need to go mainstream.

We are the old geriatrics of fallout fandom and one of the few sites that still have some sense of standard left in our old bones, tell it like it is so to speak.

There are a plethora of fallout fansites out there that heap praise and criticise nothing. We need not become one of them.


Being openly critical of any game nowadays is considered weird in a world of gaming journalism that kisses ass for the $. Not to mention some of the better discussions I have had here. I'd hate for this place to be invaded by 'murricans', or some other countries version of them.

If elitist means not mindlessly swallowing bullshit, by all means call me that.
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And this is simply a message to people who wish to criticise without a flurry of fire raining down upon their heads that they're welcome here. You think that just because people are intelligent enough to be critical means they'll automatically think this place is right for them? How do we know this site hasn't already warded off people who actually holds true to what this site is about simply based on the reputation this place gives?

I'm literally being fed negative responses to a logical explanation I'm making of this site. Is everyone here really intent on staying as closed a community as possible? I found this place and loved the fact that you could point out something's flaws here without being shot down by every angle, for no real reason.

This is not meant to address the people who don't care. Why is there so much fuss being made about my post? Especially by the parts of the forum I specifically said I wasn't addressing. This site doesn't need to go mainstream. But from personal experience, there could be subtle efforts towards actually letting people of the same caliber in.

There's been a massive misunderstanding in what my post is trying to convey. I'm not trying to apologise for NMA's behaviour and opening the doors so that this becomes a hive-mind single-sided dronefest like every other mindless-fan forum out there. If you assumed at any point that was what I was trying to do, then you should read again. But thanks to the responses I'm getting, it seems the point of this post has gone off rails anyways. A simple message gets bombarded with replies on how NMA should stay closed off, regardless of anyone who wants to join in. So the point is lost, and if that's what you've all wanted, you succeeded.

But I'm very much one of the modern-gamer, corporate-apologist that a lot of people here seem to hate. The one that pays companies if their product is done right regardless of the companies' attitude towards its customers. The one who pays pre-order DLCs despite a company's rep and the one that puts faith into anyone's word. So if that kind of easy-to-please, "simple-minded" consumer is that kind you really hate, then maybe it should've been made clear that I wasn't welcome on this site.
 
Stop. Spare the pretentious bull. Your act of being a gamer who saw the light is not endearing, nor is your hostile sarcasm laced in every post you make. You have all the tone of a Bethesda fan condescending to people who appreciate better games. This site is what it is and people who see through the reputation other people creates for us and wishes to join can join. People who aren't intent on joining will avoid it. Your message does nothing to change the fact that this is a forum that simply hosts opinions. It's not some sort of game cult that you have to turn people's face to.

Its clear from a lot of your previous posts that you're trying to convert a lot of people here to like Bethesda games and mainstream games more. That's not how opinions work. People have their own views and are free to share them. Trying to force people to change them is not something welcomed in any forum. I'm new to the forum by technicality but I've been lurkin for a long time. I can tell from the tone of all your posts that you really don't fit here, but I try not to judge. So if you're here to share opinions, and enjoy talking with people who enjoy good games, you're welcome. But if all you're here to do is turn people towards Bethesda and throw a hissy fit everytime they don't, don't let the door hit you on your way out.

I agree with Marion in the reply you linked. You appear to be an attention seeking egomaniac, with no real contributions, and you appear to think you know better than everyone. Its becoming an annoying practice. This thread has gone downhill from the start and will only lead to an angry argument at the end of the road, so I really hope it gets closed before someone gets banned. Just share as you will, but don't try acting self-righteous like we misunderstand Bethesda as a company or somethin like that, because it just ends up plain toxic.

sorry if this post came off hostile, I just got tired of the attitude. You share nice views but that doesn't change the fact that you disagree with a lot here and want to change everyones mind.
 
Post 3 paragraphs on me just for making a point clear? Is everyone on here insane? How am I trying to change anyone's mind? What do you even consider contribution? And why does everyone assume I'm condescending?

Are you trolling, or misunderstanding, because it is pissing me off how this entire forum just pushes any opinion that breaks numero uno off their backs. So much for having freedom of opinion. Apparently, sharing my realisation that Bethesda isn't decent at making games, and trying to make this site more welcoming, is considered the actions of an "attention seeking egomaniac".

This thread is derailed enough, so I hope and agree that any admins that come across should just close this post. Just so you know, I'm severely annoyed by the community's attitude of enjoying xenophobia, and that I'm getting chided on for criticising the attitude.
 
Whoa just relax, no need to get angry. Not everyone shares the exact same opinions here with everyone else, I'm okay with with more people with rational discussions but not if it attracts more trolls around here. I see what your doing and that's cool but I doubt we'll have more people come here if they think it's some "radioactive cesspool" that needs oxygen tanks just to traverse.
 
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I disagree with you here strongly. Zig isnt trying to make everyone love bethesda games since even he knows they're flawed to hell and back. That and I havent really seen any posts from him promoting them. All he's doing is trying to make the website not look so hostile to outsiders which it does. I've seen what other people say about this site. A little cleaning up here and there of the site can help a lot.
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
:shrug: Just ranting, honestly. I sort of envy the mindset of not having to care about small things, even if that kind of mindset usually leads to ruin. But I'm here, so I'm guessing I'm just not the kind to go with that line of thought...
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What. You care about things? And have opinions? Haha loser.

In seriousness though, it's easier to be an uncritical consumer or just sit on a fence and pretend you're too jaded and callous to have emotions or respond to art.

I hate the "random is funny" crowd of memesters because everybody wants to pretend they're some kind of manic genius that's too inexplicably random to be understood, when really, they're just too fucking lazy to ever have coherent or original thoughts. They're such milquetoast cowards that they're afraid to stand for anything for fear of betraying any sort of weakness.
 
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Do you think the games would get better if Todd Howard stepped down or worse? Is he railing against the "modernization" of these games and keeping corporate happy or is he driving the changes? I'm curious what people think.
 
Mygaffer said:
Do you think the games would get better if Todd Howard stepped down or worse? Is he railing against the "modernization" of these games and keeping corporate happy or is he driving the changes? I'm curious what people think.
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Without being in the room, or hearing from someone who was in the room, it's impossible to tell. Game development jobs aren't all that secure, so the only time you really hear people (even anonymously) dish on their bosses is when they're your ex-bosses (like the sheer number of people happy to shit-talk Ken Levine after he shut down Irrational).

I personally think Howard is more or less in the middle here. He's got to deal with a giant corporation who cares about profit and not art, and job 1 is getting the thing to ship and getting the thing to sell. Everything else is sort of secondary from where he stands.
 
why are people who only registered in 2014 and 2015 debating over the contents of the nma community and the "stance" nma has vs whatever lol

i really hate people who are elitist over registration dates so im being a hypocrite posting this but fuck me if within 1 month of you registering this forum has become the focal point of your life you need to sort yourself out, it's just an internet forum to discuss the fallout series i rly don't understand what more there is to read into or discuss


whoever the OP is tries way too hard to impress people here imo
 
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That is pretty telling of this whole ordeal. How many long time members do you see posting in this thread? Ever wondered why?
 
If people come here of their own accord, out of a desire to educate themselves about the finer points of Fallout, thats fine. These people read the forums, use the goddamn search button, do not shitpost or troll, etc.

But understand one thing. IMO, we should not beg people to come here and understand us. We should not advertise the site by showing people how carebear we are. They can CHOOSE to come to us. Not because we will hold their hands or perpetuate a lie like how we are a carebear community, but because they wish to educate themselves, PERIOD.
 
Dr Fallout said:
Umm... so... what the fuck are people wasting their time mistaking each other's points again?
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I have no idea anymore. I'll just leave this here - admins, just lock this thread when you can, please. It's pointless now.

EDIT: oh, I didn't realise there was the administrative bar. I'll close it then.
 
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